CFL 2024

[Behind Enemy Lines]

One thing that I found disturbing is that CBC replays of old Grey Cups had been edited so that the word Eskimos would not be heard. That is truly ridiculous and is a case of re-writing history.

Agree that bringing back a "gritty" look revolving around the iconic EE is the best compromise.

That's wild. I had to search that out. Found these Grey Cup highlights on the CBC website with full Eskimos name in commentary and headline. https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/1.3332640

Do you have a link for context?

 

[Arty Spooners Bsmnt]

For a compromise that doesn't go all the way back, I'm curious what the thoughts around naming the Edmonton Eskan or Eskans (not sure the pluralization) would be.

The word Eskan is a cree for Antler. Kind of ties both names together in that we could still says Esks as short for Eskan(s) without having it become the shortened version of Eskimos. It pays tribute to indigenous people by using word from one of their languages, and it also ties in the the whole Elks and Antler theme that was part of the Elks branding.

I don't think we should be using a Cree word at all. You could still be inviting issues.

 

[Sra1974]

An Eskimo is not an Inuit. They have different origins.
So who exactly is Obed representing and why should his opinion matter on this issue?

The other thing to remember is that there are no monolithic groups here. Each person is an individual and they should all have their say as an indivdual. Just like any other democratic exercise.
Having one person speak for every individual and claim to represent the entire 'group' is extremely disengenuous.


Says who?

So you are discrediting a national indigenous leader because you think the idea is disengenuous? Of course it’s not a monolithic group but he is the elected leader of the organization and is a very credible voice. He wasn’t some random guy with a tweet and suggesting he is not a strong voice here is the disingenuous part.

As for the Eskimo vs Inuit thing it’s clear the Inuit in Canada have been labeled this in their history and that in general(but it’s not monolithic) they find the term offensive and do not want to be referred that way.

The name change was handled very poorly, erasing the name from the past is bad, there were other ways to seek reconciliation and they didn’t do it.

Larry Thompson was basically the demographic being called out by the idiots on the board. He should’ve been the most upset. Maybe he was but he put his money where his mouth was, and kept his seasons tickets, and then he bought the team. I’m glad and we are lucky he did so. I hope the community is ready to move forward with him.

 

[Sra1974]

I don't think we should be using a Cree word at all. You could still be inviting issues.

They certainly can’t appropriate it. If the Enoch, likely the most logical community wanted to gift them the word for use it would probably be ok.

 

[abootzky]

Says who?

Says me. Last time I checked, this is an opinion forum and that's my opinion. I will however, admit to some wishful thinking when I say that ship has sailed. The retro bickering about the name change is a tiresome distraction from what the EE really needs to do to keep me buying season tickets: WIN!

P.S.: I grudgingly accepted the name change back in 2021 having neither campaigned for nor opposed it. Therefore please refrain from comparing me to Karl Marx, Ho Chi Minh, Eugene Debs or any other famous communists/socialists.

 

[Arty Spooners Bsmnt]

Saskatchewan with major field goal kicking issues that cost them a game. Glorious.

 

[Sra1974]

Saskatchewan with major field goal kicking issues that cost them a game. Glorious.

I just don’t believe the elks can make a run at this, but the fact there is even a chance is saying something about the west division this year.

 

[abootzky]

Saskatchewan with major field goal kicking issues that cost them a game. Glorious.

Agreed. Anyone who didn't find the gloriously messy 4th Quarter of the Als/Riders game entertaining must hate sports.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

Lauther can expect a truckload of manure on his lawn by tomorrow morning

Not a performance I'd expect from Lauther. He's been terrible this year but this game , he was especially brutal. Can't be blaming microchipped balls on this one.

 

[guymez]

So you are discrediting a national indigenous leader because you think the idea is disengenuous? Of course it’s not a monolithic group but he is the elected leader of the organization and is a very credible voice. He wasn’t some random guy with a tweet and suggesting he is not a strong voice here is the disingenuous part.

As for the Eskimo vs Inuit thing it’s clear the Inuit in Canada have been labeled this in their history and that in general(but it’s not monolithic) they find the term offensive and do not want to be referred that way.

The name change was handled very poorly, erasing the name from the past is bad, there were other ways to seek reconciliation and they didn’t do it.

Larry Thompson was basically the demographic being called out by the idiots on the board. He should’ve been the most upset. Maybe he was but he put his money where his mouth was, and kept his seasons tickets, and then he bought the team. I’m glad and we are lucky he did so. I hope the community is ready to move forward with him.

I never said that Obed was some random dude.
Is his claim that he alone should be the voice for the enitre group of thousands of indivduals on an issue that may illicit different reactions from each person?
This isnt a Governmental negotiation around a land claim or something that affects the group as a whole. This is an issue that only affects how each individual may feel.

My point really was that he shouldnt be representaive of a multitude of individuals regarding an issue that each and every one of them might have their own thoughts about.

Do you disagree with that?
If so...explain why each and every individual should not have their own voice be heard on this specific issue?
It seems that you are saying that if Obed says the word Eskimo is offensive therefore every single person he represents must accept that conclusion regardless of their own personal thoughts on the matter.


Also...I would highly recommend that you research the name Eskimo and its origins.
If you do you will see that it has a seperate origin from that the Inuit people.
That is another reason why Obed really doesnt have a say.

Says me. Last time I checked, this is an opinion forum and that's my opinion. I will however, admit to some wishful thinking when I say that ship has sailed. The retro bickering about the name change is a tiresome distraction from what the EE really needs to do to keep me buying season tickets: WIN!

P.S.: I grudgingly accepted the name change back in 2021 having neither campaigned for nor opposed it. Therefore please refrain from comparing me to Karl Marx, Ho Chi Minh, Eugene Debs or any other famous communists/socialists.

Right or wrong...you are I are obviously both entitled to an opinion on this.
So I will just have to disagree with you that the name ship has sailed.

I see little credible evidence to suggest that is in fact a reality.

 

[Dust]

Agreed. Anyone who didn't find the gloriously messy 4th Quarter of the Als/Riders game entertaining must hate sports.

It was entertaining but the command center stepped in it again tonight. Alexander clearly stepped out of bounds on his late TD run and somehow they don't see it on the review. They put it up on the big screen at the game clear as day.

 

[Captain Fantastic]

It was entertaining but the command center stepped in it again tonight. Alexander clearly stepped out of bounds on his late TD run and somehow they don't see it on the review. They put it up on the big screen at the game clear as day.

Love the ALs but yeah, he was out. They didn't show this replay on TSN. They only showed frames before this. OMG..league is like the WWE at times.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1824658680320512057

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

Football with footgate. Blown call bites the Riders who go 0-2 against Montreal back-up QB. CFL Command Centre can't get it right. Add a phantom pass interference call.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1824661369314238895

 

[Dust]

Football with footgate. Blown call bites the Riders who go 0-2 against Montreal back-up QB.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1824661369314238895

I mean they still may have lost the game, it would have made it tied late instead of trailing though. So frustrating to watch the league just shoot itself in the foot over and over with the Command Center this year though.

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

I mean they still may have lost the game, it would have made it tied late instead of trailing though. So frustrating to watch the league just shoot itself in the foot over and over with the Command Center this year though.

They need to close out games. Always seem to break. Bad call though.

 

[Sra1974]

I never said that Obed was some random dude.
Is his claim that he alone should be the voice for the enitre group of thousands of indivduals on an issue that may illicit different reactions from each person?
This isnt a Governmental negotiation around a land claim or something that affects the group as a whole. This is an issue that only affects how each individual may feel.

My point really was that he shouldnt be representaive of a multitude of individuals regarding an issue that each and every one of them might have their own thoughts about.

Do you disagree with that?
If so...explain why each and every individual should not have their own voice be heard on this specific issue?
It seems that you are saying that if Obed says the word Eskimo is offensive therefore every single person he represents must accept that conclusion regardless of their own personal thoughts on the matter.


Also...I would highly recommend that you research the name Eskimo and its origins.
If you do you will see that it has a seperate origin from that the Inuit people.
That is another reason why Obed really doesnt have a say.


Right or wrong...you are I are obviously both entitled to an opinion on this.
So I will just have to disagree with you that the name ship has sailed.

I see little credible evidence to suggest that is in fact a reality.

You seem to be equating democracy and direct democracy as the same thing. They are not, in most cases what we experience and live in is a representative democracy which means people are elected to them represent a group of people. He is representing his constituents, who will no doubt be split on this issue. He helped trigger a landslide that in the light of truth and reconciliation efforts was tough to ignore, and no way out was going to offer 100 percent satisfaction.

As for the Inuit and the Eskimo thin, I think that the position you are taking is the Inuit were never Eskimo’s so they don’t have a say. I think it’s ignoring reality, we in Canada called them eskimos for a long time, whether they were or not. For the most part thye don’t want the term used. I grew up in central Alberta, at that time we called the indigenous around us Indians and the ones up north Eskimo - neither were correct, and neither are done today.

Anyways, I’d love for all posts related to the team name to be banned, it always ends up where we are today. I do get where you are coming from, I do, I disagree with much of it though and wish we could just focus in the football club and not this subject.

I will refrain from responding on it moving forward as I know I’m contributing too.

 

[Skar]

How does the command centre blow a call that anyone can easily see with a 5 second replay? Unbelievable how this league keeps getting in its own way

 

[brentashton]

Lauther can expect a truckload of manure on his lawn by tomorrow morning.

They will probably dump it incorrectly on the neighbor’s drive. It happens.

 

[MoontoScott]

The saddest part of the 0-7 start is that everybody in the West is quite beatable-- there is no powerhouse that is an automatic Western Finalist.

 

[Yeah15]

The saddest part of the 0-7 start is that everybody in the West is quite beatable-- there is no powerhouse that is an automatic Western Finalist.

2 points out of a playoff spot with a win tonight, 5/8 of the remaining games after tonight against the two teams ahead of them in the standings. Get Ford back and go on a run.

 

[MoontoScott]

2 points out of a playoff spot with a win tonight, 5/8 of the remaining games after tonight against the two teams ahead of them in the standings. Get Ford back and go on a run.

Its ironic that despite the terrible start the EE are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. The Stamps haven't been much better than the Eskies.

I don't know how the team will respond to Ford's absence but I note that even before he came off the bench the team wasn't nearly as bad as the 0-7 record indicated. I think they can win tonight in Hamilton and that young defense is starting to gel. The team has abandoned the simple vanilla extract 4 man rush and it has paid big dividends in the last 2 games.

That new tandem of Leake and Rankin will be front and center again tonight. They will have to be because MBT just doesn't have a strong enough arm or the accuracy to power the offense.

I am going to take the Eskies by 7.

Have they added Doege as the 3rd arm for tonight's tilt?

 

[Behind Enemy Lines]

They will probably dump it incorrectly on the neighbor’s drive. It happens.

And called back on Illegal Procedure … ‘thirteenth man’ getting it wrong. So the play will be repeated.

Appealed to the Command Centre who have been watching the Jays game & have missed everything.

Le sigh ‘Riders’.

 

[Kyle McMahon]

Its ironic that despite the terrible start the EE are still in the hunt for a playoff spot. The Stamps haven't been much better than the Eskies.

I don't know how the team will respond to Ford's absence but I note that even before he came off the bench the team wasn't nearly as bad as the 0-7 record indicated. I think they can win tonight in Hamilton and that young defense is starting to gel. The team has abandoned the simple vanilla extract 4 man rush and it has paid big dividends in the last 2 games.

That new tandem of Leake and Rankin will be front and center again tonight. They will have to be because MBT just doesn't have a strong enough arm or the accuracy to power the offense.

I am going to take the Eskies by 7.

Have they added Doege as the 3rd arm for tonight's tilt?

The run game needs to remain dominant, or at least positive, in MBT offensive sets. It'll be tougher sledding tonight assuming the TiCats don't dedicate somebody to spying statue MBT, but I really hope they stick with it and don't revert to throwing 5 yard checkdowns if the run gets stuffed a couple times.

 

[Stoneman89]

It’s so much more difficult to go back which is why the hasty decision to change it in the first place was a bad one. Personally, I believe there’s a path back, you’ll never please everyone and it’ll be costly but I think with a thoughtful return you could satisfy both sides enough and maybe even do some actual good. Start with a thoughtful, well crafted statement about why the name is so important to the people around this organization and how in todays day and age, for a lot of us its a term of reverence and a symbol of something that a lot of northern people, regardless of ethnicity can relate to. Get some alum involved talking about what it means to them to be an Eskimo and just explain why people are so attached to it. Then lean into it and use the opportunity as a teaching moment to educate a broader audience on Inuit and indigenous language and culture. Collaborate with interested groups to include more that highlights the cultures and heritage whether in game day events/presentation or in the stadium. I think it would be cool to try and incorporate some Inuit language into the signage and I think they’d find people more receptive to learning and remembering what they learn. And the most important thing is using their charitable ability to donate and raise funds to actually help make a difference on challenging issues these communities and so many others are facing such as housing, addiction, economic disparity and even clean drinking water. I think if you do these kinds of things respectfully and with consultation, there’s a chance you could smooth things over enough going back to the original name and history.

I don’t see it happening though, I think they’ll take the easy compromise and go Esks/Eskies and from the sounds of it lean on the EE in branding and bring the history back. Times have changed and it’ll be easier to weather whatever cries of being offended come because of a made up word.

Since Esks/Eskies have always been abbreviations of the Eskimos, I seriously doubt that will work with the woke crowd. The yelling and whining is going to happen regardless, so might as well go whole hog and do it right and then move on.

 

[MoontoScott]

The run game needs to remain dominant, or at least positive, in MBT offensive sets. It'll be tougher sledding tonight assuming the TiCats don't dedicate somebody to spying statue MBT, but I really hope they stick with it and don't revert to throwing 5 yard checkdowns if the run gets stuffed a couple times.

The offensive line will be under siege tonight.

The T-Cats know that MBT doesn't have any mobility and can't throw very well on the run so they are going to be coming with the house on multiple occasions.