Rumor: Canucks getting lots of calls on Horvat

[Taluss]

Definitely hope Rangers are calling. Cant imagine why they wouldn't

 

[BruinsBtn]

Thats such a vague question,

Which cup contending team? whats their centres look like?

Horvat is 60+ point, faceoff machine and good for 25 goals.

If he is a 3C on your team then thats awesome C depth you have.

I'm not so sure. His career high is 61 points and in his last 76 games he has 50 points. He's been +/- negative every year of his career.

If you're planning to win a Cup, I don't think he's good enough to be your #2C unless you're absolutely STACKED elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he's a luxury at C3 not a key piece of the puzzle at 2C.

 

[BruinsBtn]

Horvat, playing at his usual level (i.e. don't judge this tire fire season where the players have quit), is a 1B/2B-level center. Unless that Cup caliber team has a Malkin-like 2nd line center, Horvat is more than capable of filling that role on a contender. He's basically a B. Schenn-level center and the Blues just won a Cup with him.

You think a team with Bo Horvat as the 1C could win a Cup? Ooooook.

 

[Szechwan]

Lundkvist+Othmann+1st+2nd

or

Lundkvist+Kravtsov+1st

or

Chytil+Lundkvist+2nd

not all of these packages have same value but just throwing out possibilities

I think I speak for every Canuck fan when I say we would want Schneider over Lundkvist. He had a nice season last year, but seeing how many Rangers fans are offering him up in trades over the last couple months is putting up some red flags - I think it's clear he isn't at the level people thought last year.

Plus, we need responsible RHD, not offensive D at the moment.

 

[thefutures]

I think I speak for every Canuck fan when I say we would want Schneider over Lundkvist. He had a nice season last year, but seeing how many Rangers fans are offering him up in trades over the last couple months is putting up some red flags - I think it's clear he isn't at the level people thought last year.

Plus, we need responsible RHD, not offensive D at the moment.

Horvat for Schneider.. sounds familiar

 

[UrbanImpact]

You think a team with Bo Horvat as the 1C could win a Cup? Ooooook.

You put him with Vegas without Eichel and I'd put Vegas as one of the favorites with Horvat rolling as their 1C

 

[UrbanImpact]

I'm not so sure. His career high is 61 points and in his last 76 games he has 50 points. He's been +/- negative every year of his career.

If you're planning to win a Cup, I don't think he's good enough to be your #2C unless you're absolutely STACKED elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he's a luxury at C3 not a key piece of the puzzle at 2C.

61 pts eh,

Legit question can you name me his consistent wingers over the last 2-3 years.

 

[Qward]

Trade him to Ottawa. That will teach him!!!

 

[DekeyPete]

You know who could use horvat.....Vancouver!

 

[Lays]

I think I speak for every Canuck fan when I say we would want Schneider over Lundkvist. He had a nice season last year, but seeing how many Rangers fans are offering him up in trades over the last couple months is putting up some red flags - I think it's clear he isn't at the level people thought last year.

Plus, we need responsible RHD, not offensive D at the moment.

Lundkvist and Schneider bring two different skillsets which is why NYR fans offer him up more. Lundkvist won’t get any opportunity here with Fox, Miller, and Trouba being PP2 options. Schneider is more defensive oriented and won’t be blocked, and is Trouba’s eventual replacement. Lundkvist has higher offensive upside but needs prime minutes to put up numbers

 

[Theodore450]

If I’m Montreal I’m all over a Horvat deal

 

[UrbanImpact]

Lundkvist and Schneider bring two different skillsets which is why NYR fans offer him up more. Lundkvist won’t get any opportunity here with Fox, Miller, and Trouba being PP2 options. Schneider is more defensive oriented and won’t be blocked, and is Trouba’s eventual replacement. Lundkvist has higher offensive upside but needs prime minutes to put up numbers

He wont get those prime offensive minutes with Van.

Hughes and OEL takes those. Rathbone is very good offensively too.

Canucks are in need of a defense first top RD prospect.

 

[kanucks25]

I'm not so sure. His career high is 61 points and in his last 76 games he has 50 points. He's been +/- negative every year of his career.

If you're planning to win a Cup, I don't think he's good enough to be your #2C unless you're absolutely STACKED elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he's a luxury at C3 not a key piece of the puzzle at 2C.

Well you referenced +/- so we'll definitely take your word for it.

 

[nowhereman]

You think a team with Bo Horvat as the 1C could win a Cup? Ooooook.

Uh, I never said that he was a 1C on a contender. I said he was a 1B/2B quality player and would be a good 2C on a contender, in the mould of B. Schenn.

 

[belair]

If Eichel didn't cost two blue chippers, neither does Horvat.

Eichel had a $10m cap hit with term attached to him and he was going to miss a year of playing time.

Numerous factors at play here that are nowhere near being similar.

The Rangers could make a play here and offer up Kravtsov and Lundqvist. Vancouver could probably ask for more.

 

[Iggys Dome]

Zero chance they trade Horvat, that would be a PR disaster unless they get an absolute steal

 

[UrbanImpact]

Zero chance they trade Horvat, that would be a PR disaster unless they get an absolute steal

Its already a PR disaster in Van.

Fans are calling for Green and Benning to be fired and for Aqualini to sell the team or stop interfering in hockey decisions.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

I'm not so sure. His career high is 61 points and in his last 76 games he has 50 points. He's been +/- negative every year of his career.

If you're planning to win a Cup, I don't think he's good enough to be your #2C unless you're absolutely STACKED elsewhere. Maybe I'm wrong but I think he's a luxury at C3 not a key piece of the puzzle at 2C.

+/- is a trash stat first of all.

Second points are not a primary measure of a centre's impact. They never have been. Ask yourself why a coach like Jon Cooper would rather have Anthony Cirelli as his 2C than Steven Stamkos. The Jets traded for Pierre Luc Dubois to be their 1C when they already had Mark Scheifele.

Points are byproduct of doing things some good on the ice, but centres are asked to do some other good things which inherently limit their points. You don't need points to identify good players, you need good players in good situations to end up with points. Case-in-point I could have told you a year ago that not only is Sam Bennett a 1C, he's Calgary's best and no one on HF would have listened. Now he's in Florida centering Huberdeau without Barkov in the lineup, the points are there, the plusminus is there but he's not playing any differently.

As for Horvat specifically, he'd be a perfect 2C on a team that has a matchup 3C (Think Adam Lowry or Charlie Coyle).

In fact twenty bucks that Boston gives up major assets to acquire Bo Horvat

Marchand-Bergeron-Pastrnak
Hall-Horvat-Doesn't Matter
Doesn't Matter-Coyle-Doesn't matter

Perfect fit.

 

[Avs44]

Barron + I'm okay with, even though I'm quite high on him. But I think Newhook would be a regretted pretty quickly, especially since Horvat's only signed for 2 more years. We'd essentially be replacing Kadri with him while still lacking forward depth.

Oh, I completely agree from an Avs POV. The Avs badly need Newhook to be good while on his ELC, and they need him to be good for 5+ years. Doesn't make sense to trade him for someone who isn't guaranteed to be here for many years. It's just that from a Canucks POV I don't think you trade Horvat to the Avs unless Newhook+ is coming back.

 

[UrbanImpact]

If I’m Montreal I’m all over a Horvat deal

He would be a 10x better player/replacement than Kotkaniemi. Crazy that they both make 6 mil for now.

What could Mtl offer?

I doubt they offer their 1st this year as that will be a very high pick. They dont really have a good prospect pool to choose from either tho.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

If I’m Montreal I’m all over a Horvat deal

Montreal has nothing they would want.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Definitely hope Rangers are calling. Cant imagine why they wouldn't

Good thing the other gm is gone because after that eichel offer they probably wouldnt what a good deal is

 

[Taluss]

Good thing the other gm is gone because after that eichel offer they probably wouldnt what a good deal is

I think its unfair to relate the 2. The Eichel situation was a really rare and complicated one. You also don't know how hard they pushed to get him.

 

[UrbanImpact]

From a Canucks POV, I'd much rather do a "Hockey Trade" than picks or prospects.

I know they are rare but something along the lines of

Ryan Johansen for Seth Jones

Bo Horvat for Noah Dobson please!

 

[Gstank]

I think we are more likely to get Boeser for Dobson then Horvat for Dobson. NYI are pretty good down the middle they really could use another scorer