Lily is a more raw player then Sandin. He has silky smooth edges. Very good stick work. Can throw some nice hits similar to Sandin. Not to mention there isn't a big gap after Toronto's top 4. The other guys are played so evenly. Between Sandin, Bush and Lily only a minute and 4 seconds seperate there ice time(16:00 to 17:04) They are clearly all trusted in there role. All are clearly better then bottom role players.
A minute isn't a lot game to game, but this is averaged over 50+ games this season, so it does show bias to others. Especially looking at things like TOI in certain situations (being tied, down or in close games were examples I looked at) and the others still have him beat there. Again, I'm not trying to say that this is all Liljegren will ever be, but he is not a top four guy by any metric I can see. And having Brodie, Rielly and Muzzin as the top three players, having these three in Lybushkin, Sandin and Liljegren fighting out for the last top four spot doesn't make him a top four either. Based on ice time, Holl is above 20:00 a night too, so he'd be who I'd consider top four over the others, even if it's a default usage due to chemistry or something too. 3-4 minutes a night screams more trusted than the guys he's beating out.
I never said he was a top 4 player. But he is clearly better then a bottom pairing dman but not a top 4 yet. Liljegren is a little inconsistent he's a young players that's finding his game. He's shown tons of promise out there. He's turning 23 and in his rookie season. He's got time. You should watch him some time. Great young player. He's worth a pretty penny for sure.
That was the claim I originally quoted, I didn't mean to put words in your mouth.
If they did, it would suggest they’ve given up thinking he’ll ever be a legit Top 4 dman.
Oh I agree. All good. I edited my other post but wanted to say.
Do you actually believe in this shit? Demko, Miller or Horvat? Why not all 3 of them with 50% retention. In fact I’m feeling generous as a Canucks fan today, please send us Mrazek as well.
It would have to be Myers and Pearson for salary cap reasons. We have a 7th round pick kicking around somewhere too. I mostly really want Dermott and Kerfoot though. You win with those guys
Only if we can get Dermott and Kerfoot though. Real good pieces that everybody wants.
He's a young, right handed defenceman who's played well in top 4 minutes and who isn't looking at a serious raise. I'd argue he's exactly what the Canucks would want going forward. That said, he's also exactly what the Leafs need going forward lol so I don't see why they'd want to include him in a deal (unless he's part of a package for a bonafide top 6 forward).
The Leafs and Canucks aren’t good partners. The Canucks won’t get Liljegren for scraps, they will end up looking elsewhere.
Actually Myers is having one of his best, if not, best season he’s had in recent memory. He was God awful last year. Like he deserved to be in the AHL type bad.
If the report is to believed your management group is interested in him. It’s not that the Leafs management is looking to trade this player.
You can get him for less than that he has only played two games for Moncton this year and can be signed as an undrafted free agent.
Absolutely. I believe the braintrust has inquired. I also agree that isn't his ceiling, otherwise...why acquire him over trying Woo or Rathbone? Asking the value is fine, and I'm not pushing for Motte for Liljegren straight.
Well sure. Any Leaf fan that think we could get Miller without it really hurting is an even bigger fool than those that think that the Leafs would trade Liljegren for some rental role players.
I agree entirely, we're not a great fit, but pieces from the other team could definitely benefit the otherside, but at what cost?
I’m expecting something pretty bold, but the Canucks haven’t drafted in the 1st round in two years. The pick is not being traded.
