Cotton
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I have no idea why your being sarcastic about Kerfoot being a good piece. He’s been awesome, having a career year, and valuable on the PK.
Rumor: Canucks And Leafs talking — Canucks Targeting Liljegren
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firstemperor
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The only player that would get the convo going on the Canucks for Liljegren would be Demko, Horvat, or JT Miller. Not particularly keen on trading a high-end toolsy RHD prospect for a goaltender, as I believe their value is extremely hard to project. JT Miller with no commitment long-term is very much a luxury
Everyone else on the Nucks we don't need nor are particularly interested in. We aren't great trade partners. Liljegren really only moves for an elite d-man or elite centerman with term, in a package. Doesn't make much sense to trade Liljegren for a top 4-D which he could just as well optimistically, leapfrog in a year or two, or less.
I actually believe Liljegren is a viable trade piece for us but Canucks don't have the piece we would want.
Everyone else on the Nucks we don't need nor are particularly interested in. We aren't great trade partners. Liljegren really only moves for an elite d-man or elite centerman with term, in a package. Doesn't make much sense to trade Liljegren for a top 4-D which he could just as well optimistically, leapfrog in a year or two, or less.
I actually believe Liljegren is a viable trade piece for us but Canucks don't have the piece we would want.
Oh but we have exactly what you are looking for! How about we give you Myers for Liljegren and a 1st. You'll get your top-4 RHD.
Motte, Halak, Myers is the new Ryder, Halak, 2nd.
Except worse and more expensive.
I think it's been posted 20+ times in this thread and Nucks fans are actually serious.
Except worse and more expensive.
I think it's been posted 20+ times in this thread and Nucks fans are actually serious.
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Hey. Not all Canucks fans. That is a trash offer.
Needs some meat like Garland, Hoglander, Podkozlin, etc
Disappointed EP40
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Lmao.. Dickson is doing his best to get AHL ice time and Schenn is worth a 4th.
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I for one had Mrazek going back in the deal and he’s the worst piece in it. So before you list one side of the trade, look at the rest. Do you have your blinders on like most leaf fans and think he has any value?
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Motte is worth a late 2nd. Halak is, at best worth a 4th round pick (and far more realistically just a cap dump (acquiring team pays the bonus he is due that can be rolled into next season). Dickinson is a pure cap dump (maybe for optics you can get a 5th or 6th for him).
Liljegren isn’t about to be traded straight up for Motte. You can’t attach our garbage (Halak and Dickinson) and somehow think it increases Motte’s value (it decreases it, not raises it).
I think a fair trade would look more like Hoglander for Liljegren. The Leafs may want to get ‘harder’ to play against on the back end for the playoffs and want to go in a different direction than Liljegren, while Hoglander has a tonne of upside and is as gritty as they come along the fence and in puck battles, while possessing good to very good luck skills.
Liljegren isn’t about to be traded straight up for Motte. You can’t attach our garbage (Halak and Dickinson) and somehow think it increases Motte’s value (it decreases it, not raises it).
I think a fair trade would look more like Hoglander for Liljegren. The Leafs may want to get ‘harder’ to play against on the back end for the playoffs and want to go in a different direction than Liljegren, while Hoglander has a tonne of upside and is as gritty as they come along the fence and in puck battles, while possessing good to very good luck skills.
It has nothing to do with Miller, Garland or Boeser ? Wtf are we trading for ? I know it's not Demko/Petterson/Hughes, who else does that leave ? Lily has far more value than Motte/Schenn, doesn't make sense.
It absolutely has to be Boeser/Garland/Miller, our biggest holes right now are top 4D and 2nd line LW. If none of those guys are involved, this is all nonsense, there's nothing else available from Vancouver that makes sense. No interest in Myers and the other key players on Van. are way too valuable.
It absolutely has to be Boeser/Garland/Miller, our biggest holes right now are top 4D and 2nd line LW. If none of those guys are involved, this is all nonsense, there's nothing else available from Vancouver that makes sense. No interest in Myers and the other key players on Van. are way too valuable.
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Trading a skilled young defenseman in Liljegren for Schenn / Motte does not seem like the kind of trade this organization or the current leadership would make. Granted the team has been criticized for not being tough enough, but you don't trade one of your most promising young blueliners for grit.
Also reading through this thread aged me by a couple years. Sheesh,.. foolishness of both sides.
Also reading through this thread aged me by a couple years. Sheesh,.. foolishness of both sides.
This thread is a train wreck, Vancouver is targeting Lily…and the the Leafs are going to accept a Motte/Schenn/Myers type of return? Why exactly would they accept that?
Motte is worth a 2nd for sure. Maybe even a high second with these ridiculous deals already going down. Schenn is worth a 4th, though someone might overpay a late 3rd. Halak has little value.
Don’t usually see these kind of secondary pieces in a deal for a good prospect/young player with pedigree. But as a Nucks fan I hope so. Unlike a lot of other sellers, Nucks are still going for the POs so we’re not dying to sell. We’re poking around for value, hence we’re targeting guys like Marino and Lilegeren.
Liljegren more likely would be in a package for a higher end player like Miller, Horvat, or Boeser. Not my favorite target for this kind of trade (and Leafs probably not best partner for these type of players) but Liljegren would not be the worst target either if coming with a 1st + something.
Demko is untouchable as is widely reported. GM and president already called him a franchise goalie we’ll be building around. Leaf’s fans saw the two recent losses to Demko and can’t get him out of their heads. Keep dreaming. If you want a Demko, Saros, Shesterkin, Oettinger you need to draft, develop, and not trade one. I can’t remember the last time the leafs developed a good young goalie and didn’t trade him.
Don’t usually see these kind of secondary pieces in a deal for a good prospect/young player with pedigree. But as a Nucks fan I hope so. Unlike a lot of other sellers, Nucks are still going for the POs so we’re not dying to sell. We’re poking around for value, hence we’re targeting guys like Marino and Lilegeren.
Liljegren more likely would be in a package for a higher end player like Miller, Horvat, or Boeser. Not my favorite target for this kind of trade (and Leafs probably not best partner for these type of players) but Liljegren would not be the worst target either if coming with a 1st + something.
Demko is untouchable as is widely reported. GM and president already called him a franchise goalie we’ll be building around. Leaf’s fans saw the two recent losses to Demko and can’t get him out of their heads. Keep dreaming. If you want a Demko, Saros, Shesterkin, Oettinger you need to draft, develop, and not trade one. I can’t remember the last time the leafs developed a good young goalie and didn’t trade him.
Leafs fans are a special breed. Not that Canucks fans are much better...
But fellas, the point of trading at the deadline is to take a run at the cup. There's way too much nitpicking about "value", especially regarding a smallish OFD that simply hasn't lived up to his billing (after sliding in his draft year).
Do you want to win? Auston Matthews is absolutely dismantling the regular season competition, you need to let the guy go on a playoff run.
You trade to make your team better for the post-season.
Motte, Garland, Boeser, Miller... even Schenn, Hamonic, etc. they all help you do that. They're good to great players.
There's a deal here, but Vancouver needs to win the futures part of it for the trade to happen...
But fellas, the point of trading at the deadline is to take a run at the cup. There's way too much nitpicking about "value", especially regarding a smallish OFD that simply hasn't lived up to his billing (after sliding in his draft year).
Do you want to win? Auston Matthews is absolutely dismantling the regular season competition, you need to let the guy go on a playoff run.
You trade to make your team better for the post-season.
Motte, Garland, Boeser, Miller... even Schenn, Hamonic, etc. they all help you do that. They're good to great players.
There's a deal here, but Vancouver needs to win the futures part of it for the trade to happen...
Most Leaf fans are open to trading many of our young players or prospects if we think it’s a good move. Including Liljegren. But what most (not all) Canuck fans are offering isn’t at all enticing. Combinations of Schenn, Motte, Dickinson and Halak aren’t going to come close to interesting us.
If you want to talk about Garland, Boser, or Miller sure he is on the table and many more assets from our side. But that isn’t what is being offered here for the most part.
Also saying Liljegren hasn’t lived up to his billing is pretty disingenuous. He was drafted 17th and is performing just fine compared to the Dmen drafted around him.
Foote, Brannstrom, Valimaki, Vaakaninen and Liljegren were all drafted in a row and Liljegren compares just fine to any of them. He is 22 and Dmen take longer to develop. The Leafs have invested 4 years into this player and are happy with his progress.
Is he as good as some people though he was going to be when he was 16, no. But that doesn’t mean he at all is a disappointment based on where he was drafted.
So sure Toronto is trying to win now and that means everything is on the table for the right trade. That doesn’t mean however that a young asset we value highly is on the table for any collection of random players you don’t really care if you lose.
Bro...He's a rookie.
and he's looked just fine. Garland/Boeser are the only 2 guys that would make sense in a deal involving Lily, obviously we'd have to add. Lily alone is more valuable than Schenn/Hamonic/Motte, hell I'd even argue he's a better player than either of them today.
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Okay. Schenn, Hamonic, and Motte are veterans.Bro...He's a rookie.
Which status is of more use in the playoffs?
He's definitely not better than Tyler Motte, btw. Guy's a dream for any team looking to up their competitiveness.
Schenn has been a rock next to Quinn Hughes, he shouldn't even be available.
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So you want us to give up on a rookie D man who looks very promising for 1 playoff run of Schenn or Hamonic ?
Arthur Morgan
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Makes me wanna throw up....
rather not make playoffs over moving Liljegren for that
gotta be a different route over giving up a player they developed for the past 5 years
for a UFA and 1.5 years of Schenn
Garland/Boeser/Miller? Ya…we’d be adding to Lily, but those players would be the targets. Motte/Schenn/Hamonic? No…those players don’t move the needle for Lily.
He called him a smallish offensive dman. That tells you all you need to know
Cute a Leafs fan is calling out other fanbases for overvaluing their players.
