Rumor: Canucks and Devils talking Zacha for Dickinson trade

[Eggtimer]

Canucks prospect pool is pretty shallow and we are missing our 2nd rounder. It doesn't make sense for the Canucks to do this. Most I'd be comfortable with is Dickinson+4th and maybe a prospect like Dipietro.

Still pass . Devils have 2 similar prospects and no where to play them except fur the ECHL if they got Dipietro .

 

[elitepete]

Still pass . Devils have 2 similar prospects and no where to play them except fur the ECHL if they got Dipietro .

Would the Devils be interest in an NHL rd like Burroughs or Hamonic. Burroughs is a youngish physical #5-6 who plays a simple game. Likely going to be cheap on his next contract. Hamonic is slightly better but is a headache to deal with and will make 3m next year.

 

[M2Beezy]

If Alvin can pull this off 1 for 1 he should be GM of the year. Or be investigated for drugging the Devils management team

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Yikes. Devils lose that one easily.

Zacha this year already has more points than Dickinson ever has in his career.

It’s not just about points my friend, especially as a bottom 9 winger

 

[Canadian Canuck]

If Alvin can pull this off 1 for 1 he should be GM of the year. Or be investigated for drugging the Devils management team

It’s pretty even…

 

[Eggtimer]

It’s pretty even…

What’s even? The trade or if Canucks GM should be GM of the year vs investigated for drugging Fitz? No way in any world is Zacha for Dickinson close to even.
So far it’s been :
Zacha evaluation : Everywhere from
“ 6’ 3” Center , 24 year old former 6th overall pick that paced for 30 goals just recently to -

“Averages 28 points a year and is slow , passive , overpaid.

Dickinson -
“6 points all season , 4th line replacement level player making 2.6 million per”

“ Strong physical C that is excellent defensively and can PK and chip in offensively “

Reality is , both are somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.

Still doesn’t change the fact that no way the Devils should trade Zacha for what should be a cap dump.
Dickinson has negative value . 4 th liners making 2.6 mil don’t have value.

 

[golffuul]

For a guy that the Devils don't want to sign, getting anything close is better than Zacha holding out or going to arbitration where he's due a minimum of 3M AAV and could get more. With 10+ players to sign, for nextyear, and only 25M to do it...having Dickinson at 2.6 for two more years is more appetizing. Cost of doing business in a Cap world.

 

[Gstank]

Just putting the pieces together it sounds like

Boeser
Dickinson

For
Zacha
Smith
2nd round pick?

 

[Forge]

For a guy that the Devils don't want to sign, getting anything close is better than Zacha holding out or going to arbitration where he's due a minimum of 3M AAV and could get more. With 10+ players to sign, for nextyear, and only 25M to do it...having Dickinson at 2.6 for two more years is more appetizing. Cost of doing business in a Cap world.

The devils cap situation is fine. Only Bratt is going to command a big payday, and I can't imagine that a 400K difference between Pavel and Dickinson is that big of a deal. A guy like Miles Wood will be an RFA having completely missed this entire year, so he's not going to get a raise from where he's at. Gusy like Boqvist, Thompson, Studenic, Jaros and White are all going to sign for a million or less and are going to spend some time in the AHL. They could all end up with two way contracts (boqvist probably the least likely).

It becomes a more interesting situation if Boeser gets sent to NJ. That fills up the salary pretty quickly

 

[JimEIV]

Dickenson is not an offensive player in which Zacha is supposed to be though.

and for an offensive player, Zacha averages 23 pts per season.

I dont think this is a massive win by any means for either team if the deal went through.

23 points per season?

He has 166 points in 363 games.

That is .46 points per game. .46 points per game is 37.7 over 82 games. It's actually 38 points per season. Certainly not earth shattering....but it is not 23 points per season.

 

[Auto Pilot]

From what I understand the devils only are interested in Boeser and Garland, Garland they almost acquired in the off season before Benning took on the OEL contract and gave away a first

 

[Auto Pilot]

I’m not saying Zacha is a world beater but if it’s one for one ? Puke.
Hard hard pass.

Fitz needs to get fired if this is the dog shit trade he makes

 

[Smitty426]

23 points per season?

He has 166 points in 363 games.

That is .46 points per game. .46 points per game is 37.7 over 82 games. It's actually 38 points per season. Certainly not earth shattering....but it is not 23 points per season.

PK's $9M coming off has to make some breathing room

 

[krutovsdonut]

dickinson is not the central casting defensive 3c i thought canucks were getting but he is a very good defensive plater who stabilizes whatever line he is on defensively. he's definitely a hockey player.

he'd be very useful doing that on a playoff run on a top heavy team that needs a couple of lines to grind it out. not sure devils fit the mold for that.

 

[krutovsdonut]

as for zacha, i don't know. he's less than 2 years younger than dickenson and he's still kind of a project. i guess change for change sake might be good, but if i thought we were going to make the playoffs, i'd rather have dickenson.

 

[Forge]

Would the Devils be interest in an NHL rd like Burroughs or Hamonic. Burroughs is a youngish physical #5-6 who plays a simple game. Likely going to be cheap on his next contract. Hamonic is slightly better but is a headache to deal with and will make 3m next year.

Either one of them would make sense as a short term fix when PK leaves after the year. That 3rd spot will be pretty open for the Devils (and it could be worse if they move on from Severson)

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

man is this ever a lemon into lemonade

can send allvin back in time to trade schaller for an averagely useful player too?

 

[Eggtimer]

The title for this thread is misleading . It makes it sound like the Devils are considering a trade of Zacha for Dickinson .
It’s more based around Canucks might have interest in Zacha and part of the return coming back might be Dickinson to help lower the cost on acquiring Boeser while proving the Canucks even more cap relief.
Yes Zacha and Dickinson might be pieces in a trade but no way they are both the main pieces respectively

 

[elitepete]

The title for this thread is misleading . It makes it sound like the Devils are considering a trade of Zacha for Dickinson .
It’s more based around Canucks might have interest in Zacha and part of the return coming back might be Dickinson to help lower the cost on acquiring Boeser while proving the Canucks even more cap relief.
Yes Zacha and Dickinson might be pieces in a trade but no way they are both the main pieces respectively

Where did you get this from?

 

[Get North]

He's no Jay Pandolfo, but a solid two-way forward nonetheless. Takes care of his check, patrols the middle of the ice when he is a centre and is strong on the wall. 6'2 200 lbs, well balanced skater, not super quick.

The difference between Zacha and Dickinson comes down to fundamentals, Jason can't win face-offs well, but off the puck he's better than Zacha. Nowhere near as creative offensively and won't produce more points.

 

[SJinNewJersey]

For a guy that the Devils don't want to sign, getting anything close is better than Zacha holding out or going to arbitration where he's due a minimum of 3M AAV and could get more. With 10+ players to sign, for nextyear, and only 25M to do it...having Dickinson at 2.6 for two more years is more appetizing. Cost of doing business in a Cap world.

Explain.

 

[Diamonddog01]

If Alvin can pull this off 1 for 1 he should be GM of the year. Or be investigated for drugging the Devils management team

I actually think it's a fine basis for a trade (yes I am in the minority). Dickinson is becoming very underrated due to the fact he hasn't worked out in Vancouver. Staple him to a good shutdown centre and you'll have the best shutdown 3rd line in the league imo.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

I actually think it's a fine basis for a trade (yes I am in the minority which is fine). Dickinson is becoming very underrated due to the fact he hasn't worked out in Vancouver. Staple him to a good shutdown centre and you'll have the best shutdown 3rd line in the league imo.

This 10000%

 

[golffuul]

Explain.

Zacha either signs his QO at 3M, rejects it and makes whatever a player scoring what he does playing in your top 6, in arbitration...probably around 4M. Or NJ trades him for someone who they can control cost on (aka Dickinson at 2.6M...which is 400k less than his QO...for two more years) and at least get some kind of player who played well for Dallas and could play better for a team that isn't so much in flux. Or NJ doesn't like any trade offers, for whatever reason, and then decides not to Qualify him, making him a UFA and takes their chances getting someone at a lower caphit in the summer.

My point is that if NJ is shopping Zacha, you either do it for a contending team as a Rental and get a prospect and/or pick. Or you get a player with cost certainty, which would essentially be a swap of players needing a change of scenery. You are probably not going to get fair value for a player that, as has been stated NJ isn't keen to sign long-term or for a higher $ value/short term.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Dickinson has been awful this season