Canes Offer Sheet KK (6.1 for 1 yr) Part II

[JoelWarlord]

Debatable...Tkachuk kinda does whatever he wants on the ice because he can.

Yes we see the good...but there's alot of bad penalties/indiscipline/poor defensive performance that wouldn't fly on more competitive teams.

Yeah I'm not really a Tkachuk booster, I think he gets pretty overrated here for exactly those reasons you mentioned. I just think ultimately the Habs would give him a far longer leash in the top 6 and I also don't know that they'd evaluate his defensive shortcomings properly, I don't think he'd get buried on the 3rd line especially with LW being a relatively thin position over the last couple years.

That being said I do think if we drafted him the Brady Tkachuk thread would be full of crying about "another 50pt winger" and anger that we didn't pick Quinn Hughes instead.

 

[Deebs]

The problem is that the player has to actually agree and sign the offer sheet,

I can't see Pettersson wanting to come to a rebuilding team

But that's what the Canucks are

 

[waitin425]

This makes me sick....feels like a lose lose scenario. I love KK and want him to stay, but not at 6.1 for the foreseeable future.

Conversely, if we lose him, the 1st and 3rd doesn't feel like it's enough.

This sucks

 

[Mark9988]

But that's what the Canucks are

So what is the incentive to leave?

 

[Deebs]

So what is the incentive to leave?

More money, fresh start and imo a better overall team

 

[Adam Michaels]

It’s a dangerous game when owners start to dictate what management does. Canes fans should be worried. Dundon was likely behind not wanting to pay their young goalie or Hamilton as well. Have fun with another Melnyk.

It's why I think Francis was fired in Carolina once Dundon showed up. Francis didn't want to do things the way Dundon wanted.

I understand that you're the owner and you have the right to hire and fire whoever you want. And you also have every right to be involved in decisions and be aware of everything. But at some point, you have to let your hockey guys take care of the hockey things.

 

[JoelWarlord]

So what is the incentive to leave?

I would suspect the Canadiens would be willing to write him a cheque with exactly 10,276,829 reasons to leave.

 

[HuGo Sham]

This makes me sick....feels like a lose lose scenario. I love KK and want him to stay, but not at 6.1 for the foreseeable future.

Conversely, if we lose him, the 1st and 3rd doesn't feel like it's enough.

This sucks

well said, but point 1 is more important, and at 6.1 he has to stay

 

[Braun]

What happens if Habs match for next years contract? Can they offer him a lower contract after a year?

 

[JianYang]

It's an offer sheet, you are supposed to overpay by design. If you handover a fair deal it will be matched no question asked.

Ultimately, with this gamble the Canes have more faith in KK than the Habs ever did.

I don't think it has much to do with the amount of faith the Canes have in KK. They might think he is an interesting project (which he is), but they are only offering him one year.

This is about their owner settling a score with the Habs at the expense of their own cup window.

The poison pill in this case is how this contract can mess with the Habs internal salary comparatives, and inflate the future contracts of other "cost controlled" players. It's an attack on the habs cap management structure designed to give them perpetual cap headaches even for homegrown talents.

If dundon gets KK, he gets to stroke his ego. If Montreal matches, he will take pleasure in screwing with the Habs salary cap moving forward, or potentially forcing the habs to lose him for nothing depending on how this season goes.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Canes tried to trade for him first so it was a hockey move. The only ego was burningbin for playing hardball again. Not to mention he started this last year and its his EGO that is doing the damage to the team, over and over. This is 2017 offseason bad again. Maybe he can dig up hemsky and ask him to play center, or maybe John Scott.

Just going through the motions. This was Dundon through and through trying to get revenge for Aho. No one is giving up a 1st and 3rd and paying KK $6M based on his merit.

 

[le_sean]

why are sens fans trolling this thread? they think this is a victory for drafting Tkachuk? what a stupid equivalency

Inferiority complex

 

[dinodebino]

Dundon is no different than many American franchise owner. Heck, even ours meddles by all accounts. It’s THEIR business after all.

He is a POS but not because of hockey. He’s a POS because of his previous business dealings.

 

[417]

Just going through the motions. This was Dundon through and through trying to get revenge for Aho. No one is giving up a 1st and 3rd and paying KK $6M on his merit.

It's less about merit since many contracts are handed out less on merit and more about promise or potential.

But it's not hard to look at the details of this offer sheet and deduce that it's Dundon feeling some type of way about being somewhat embarrassed 2 years ago.

 

[HuGo Sham]

I don't think it has much to do with the amount of faith the Canes have in KK. They might think he is an interesting project (which he is), but they are only offering him one year.

This is about their owner settling a score with the Habs at the expense of their own cup window.

The poison pill in this case is how this contract can mess with the Habs internal salary comparatives, and inflate the future contracts of other "cost controlled" players. It's an attack on the habs cap management structure to designed to give them perpetual cap headaches even for homegrown talents.

If dundon gets KK, he gets to stroke his ego. If Montreal matches, he will take pleasure in screwing with the Habs salary cap moving forward, or potentially forcing the habs to lose him for nothing depending on how this season goes.

also well said

 

[WinterLion]

This makes me sick....feels like a lose lose scenario. I love KK and want him to stay, but not at 6.1 for the foreseeable future.

Conversely, if we lose him, the 1st and 3rd doesn't feel like it's enough.

This sucks

The thing is that if Kotkienemi ends up being a good 2nd line C he will worth around that very soon and his next contract will be that... so yes this sucks, but it may all even out a bit at some point

 

[Habaneros]

why are sens fans trolling this thread? they think this is a victory for drafting Tkachuk? what a stupid equivalency

Just wait until Brady T asks for 9 million.....

 

[HuGo Sham]

Dundon is no different than many American franchise owner. Heck, even ours meddles by all accounts. It’s THEIR business after all.

He is a POS but not because of hockey. He’s a POS because of his previous business dealings.

he's a total f***er. got rich on subprime loans. it's his prerogative, but he's a psychopath

 

[WeThreeKings]

What happens if Habs match for next years contract? Can they offer him a lower contract after a year?

They can offer him a lower contract but if he doesn't sign it, they have to qualify him at 6.1m next year and he can just sign that as soon as they submit it.

 

[dinodebino]

he's a total f***er. got rich on subprime loans. it's his prerogative, but he's a psychopath

That’s what I meant.

 

[HuGo Sham]

Just wait until Brady T asks for 9 million.....

let's hope

 

[Catanddogguitarrr]

It's why I think Francis was fired in Carolina once Dundon showed up. Francis didn't want to do things the way Dundon wanted.

I understand that you're the owner and you have the right to hire and fire whoever you want. And you also have every right to be involved in decisions and be aware of everything. But at some point, you have to let your hockey guys take care of the hockey things.

He will be the "Dundon" of the farce.

 

[HuGo Sham]

That’s what I meant.

ripping off vulnerable people

 

[Braun]

They can offer him a lower contract but if he doesn't sign it, they have to qualify him at 6.1m next year and he can just sign that as soon as they submit it.

So basically his next contract is pretty much guaranteed to be 6.1 as well?

 

[Mark9988]

Just wait until Brady T asks for 9 million.....

I would rather pay BT 9 mil than lose KK for nothing....well basically nothing