Canes Offer Sheet KK (6.1 for 1 yr) Part II

[Agalloch]

In hindsight, we should have taken Tkachuk.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

I would never match it

 

[dcyhabs]

According to RDS the canes made some offers for Kotkaniemi earlier in the year. The Hurricanes want him and they say he wants to play for them. All JK really needs at this point is some freedom. He was a project, they rushed the project, and then they benched him after hindering his development. If Carolina lets him makes some mistakes he'll be fine.

Edit: Looking more and more like the habs should be working on yet another rebuild. Either that or they play JK whatever happens. let him make his mistakes and learn.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Wait...you think NHL contracts are based on certainties?

Players get paid based on their potential...well...pretty much all the time.

Nothing new here.

Or on the habs for past performances.

 

[JoelWarlord]

I hope everyone in here that's shitting on Kotkaniemi for accepting this deal would be willing to turn down an offer that triples their salary out of loyalty to their boss. Absolute brain dead nonsense to hold this against the player.

 

[Habaneros]

In hindsight, we should have taken Tkachuk.

KK has 9 playoff goals in his last 2 playoffs...you got to pay the kid....I WOULD TRY to lock him up at 6.1 for next 4 yrs...

 

[WeThreeKings]

In hindsight, we should have taken Tkachuk.

If you are going to mishandle your 3 OA pick (like they did with Galchenyuk), absolutely they might as well get the guy who can play and be one of the worst defensive players in the league but get praised because raw points.

 

[morhilane]

The funny part is the media playing it up and saying Canes owning Habs. If Habs don’t match (I hope) Canes are screwed. They have 4 centres and up against cap and need to sign him for $5M+ or lose him to UFA next year for nothing. I say let them choke on it and keep him. Rather have the extra first for one of the deepest drafts next year in a very long time.

According to insiders, the Canes were looking for another center and tried to trade for KK just last week. They also looked into a long term offersheet before settling with the single year overpayment* and apparently even warned the Habs about it.

That means they were planning to move a center for KK. Mostly likely Trocheck who is UFA after this season and he might have already told the Canes he was going to look at the market next summer when they inquired about an extension. And Trocheck should net more than a 1st and 3rd to the Canes via trade...


*the overpayment is the only leverage the Canes have against the Habs to avoid them matching.

 

[Habidelidoo]

I mean we just got a 1,3 if we let kk go. So we would basically be giving up KK,1,2 for Peterson.

you’re right though, will be a dangerous game

No, because it would be two MTL 1st, likely much higher at the draft.

Offersheeting is a game the good teams play, not the lottery teams like us (we are not making the playoffs this year).

 

[Ajhccwrs]

I have seen worse contracts given out by the hab's

Alzner
Gallagher ( IMO)
Domi

and so on.

 

[Adam Michaels]

I agree... but he got 7 days to pull it off and every GM knows now he's desperate.
Not going to be easy if not impossible.

But the more I think about it......the more I sign KK if no deal is possible.
We can't just be left with a thumbs up our asses and running Evans on the top 6 for the foresseable future.

It depends who the other team is and how far the trade talks had gone before the KK offer sheet. But I honestly think it doesn't matter to them. All they would care about is getting the return they want.

Let's say they're looking at Dvorak in Arizona. I doubt Bill Armstrong cares much about whether Habs will match or not. All he cares about is if he can get someone to pay what he's looking for in order to move Dvorak.

Now a team in the same division as Habs or even in the same conference, maybe they will wait him out or let him sweat a little because they're in more of a direct competition with the Habs. But even then, you don't expect a team in their division to do them any favors to begin with.

 

[V13]

In hindsight, we should have taken Tkachuk.

Yes

Personally i wanted Zadina but it certainly look like Tkachuk will end up being the 2nd best forward of that draft after Svechnikov

Not sure how KK vs Zadina is gonna end up though

 

[417]

In hindsight, we should have taken Tkachuk.

We'd be in the same exact situation.

The usage Tkachuk gets in Ottawa, would not be the usage he'd get in MTL.

He's been a 45pt player in Ottawa...he'd be a 30-35pt player in Montreal.

 

[dinodebino]

I think bergevin has done alot of good these past 2 off seasons and thought so before we even made noise in the playoffs but this is a clear case of his past management mistakes especially with KK's development coming to haunt him

Good, sound comment.

 

[Adam Michaels]

It doesn't surprise me in the least. I don't see Waddell as someone who is out for "revenge."

 

[Deebs]

Yes

Personally i wanted Zadina but it certainly look like Tkachuk will end up being the 2nd best forward of that draft after Svechnikov

Not sure how KK vs Zadina is gonna end up though

I'll take Brady over Svech everyday

 

[le_sean]

What a f***ing child

 

[Habaneros]

match the 6.1 and sign him to a 4 year extension .
The last thing I want to see is KK burrying goals on Habs in the playoffs.....
Match, extend him 4 more years....then you can trade him down the road if need be.

 

[417]

That's a no-brainer...it's pure pettiness lol.

 

[V13]

What a f***ing child

Salty as hell. Dundon that is

In a way i kinda enjoy all the drama lol

 

[OnTheRun]

According to insiders, the Canes were looking for another center and tried to trade for KK just last week. They also looked into a long term offersheet before settling with the single year overpayment* and apparently even warned the Habs about it.

That means they were planning to move a center for KK. Mostly likely Trocheck who is UFA after this season and he might have already told the Canes he was going to look at the market next summer when they inquired about an extension. And Trocheck should net more than a 1st and 3rd to the Canes via trade...


*the overpayment is the only leverage the Canes have against the Habs to avoid them matching.

It's an offer sheet, you are supposed to overpay by design. If you handover a fair deal it will be matched no question asked.

Ultimately, with this gamble the Canes have more faith in KK than the Habs ever did.

 

[Habidelidoo]

Match, extend him 4 more years....then you can trade him down the road if need be.

His extension price begins at 6.1M AAV. KK won't do a favour to MTL (he might do to Carolina though).

 

[GreatSaveEssensa]

Scheifele had a 34 point season in 63 games (44 point pace) in his d+3 rookie year.

Kks d+3 year? 20 points in 56 games (30 point pace)

So? My point is that theres a good chance KK will improve greatly from where he is at now seeing as he is still very young. But if your fine getting rid of him for a late 1st and a 3rd so be it. I think that would be foolish however.

 

[lamp9post]

Which is why I continue to believe that heading into this season with Kotkaniemi as a top 6C on this team was never *the* plan but rather plan B.

I agree this is likely. It just seemed incongruous for the Habs to go into next season with an experienced goalie duo, experienced defence core, experienced group of wingers (Caufield aside) and yet such an inexperienced center line.

 

[V13]

I'll take Brady over Svech everyday

I think Svech has more offensive upside. Won't be surprised if the guy puts up a PPG in his prime. He almost did it as a 20 years old

Tkachuk will probably top as a 60pts forward but is the rugged big and mean power forward with leadership kind of guy.

So it depends on what you are looking for i guess but i can certainly see why an argument can be made in favor of Tkachuk over Svech.