Canes Offer Sheet KK (6.1 for 1 yr) Part II
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On the other hand, if he ends up being a 30-40 point player at his peak a first and third isn't terrible compensation. We really couldn't afford to lose him but I don't see us matching
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Again, this morning, I haven't changed my mind. I will be STUNNED in capital letters, if we don't sign him. But Bergie's ego will take note, offer JK an extension after this contract without having to qualify him....and then trade him. Yet...all this is relative to JK having a good season. If Bergevin doesn'T think JK will have a good one...he might be gone. Yet...if he had no hope in JK...why in the world do you let Danault go?
Anyway, in the Bédard-Wright-Matchkov and all those guys eras....I'm all for starting over. Completely.
Anyway, in the Bédard-Wright-Matchkov and all those guys eras....I'm all for starting over. Completely.
Le Tricolore
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He was on pace for 34 points this year with 3rd line minutes for the first half of the year. I can't see him topping out at 40.
I'd be shocked if the Habs don't match.
I'm more curious as to how the Habs knew this was happening and didn't react accordingly.
As is typical, there's probably alot more behind the scenes than were privy too.
But something doesn't connect here.
As is typical, there's probably alot more behind the scenes than were privy too.
But something doesn't connect here.
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Same here. If Danault doesn't leave he is the 2.5 million center-and gets an offer sheet and leaves anyway. If he is your #2 center you expect to earn 2-3 years 3+ million. And stop adding me to all your trade talks. Or you give him 3.25 show me contract at the least. He is definitely better than our 4th liners making a lot more. If he was 20 years old and had the same season as last year, but it was his first year, we would be excited about him as a prospect.
If he was a 27 year old and put up 30-40 points he gets at least 3 million. Is he at least GOING to be as good as 3.4 million Armia who signed for 4 more years? Habs think they have all the levearge, but in reality thier precarious centre issue gave him leverage. Danault would have changed that if he had stayed, but with him gone-for nothing, we are in a corner again for centers. We were in worse shape going into the season overall. This cements it either way. I doubt the new hires will replace danault tatar and perry, nevermind weber and byron who are inured for the a chunk of the season.
Le Tricolore
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Weber's contract was also for like 14 or 15 years. KK's is for one. They're not even comparable.
MB can flash the ego in negotiations and offer sheets but he doesn't understand them and doesn't do well negotiating them. He's good at some aspects of GMing but he needs someone with some negotiating and financial skills to help him out as he keeps botching the money stuff.
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I don't want to sign KK at 6.1 millions
I don't want to trade KK for that shitty return
This is why I keep saying that there's no way for the Habs to win this one and that we really got screwed either way.
If I'm Bergevin......
My first and only option is to get something to replace KK with those picks (and not an over the hill center but a young one with potential or a better one)....and I'm talking getting him in the next 7 days maximum.
If that's not possible......I really don't know but I wouldn't ruled out signing KK at that price.
If you ask me to absolutely pick one between Drouin at 5.5M and KK at 6.1M.....I prefer Kotkaniemi.
If Kotkaniemi become a 55 points center.....it's worth 6 millions.
For me those picks are worth absolutely nothing unless we get something right away for them.
So I would probobly sign KK, put him in a perfect situation next year to either keep him or trade him....and then see were we are at next season and if we end up losing him for nothing, so be it. For me those picks are worth nothing anyway. But I prefer to gamble on KK might be ebcoming a top 6 center than betting on those nothing pick which we won't see the reasult for another 3-4 years at best.
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MrNasty
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I wonder if this is something negotiated in the next CBA? Offer sheets favour better teams because their picks (compensation) can be drastically less valuable than a bad team.
The league loves parity but the way offer sheets are established doesn't encourage parity.
The league loves parity but the way offer sheets are established doesn't encourage parity.
this is once again terrible asset management overall. just f***ing awful. regardless of what all of you project #15 to be, this is not how you build a cap-flexible, quality team which can compete regularly. it's just not. that's now a wasted year - that year we tanked for KK. losing a young asset for two mediocre picks with no backup plan (as of now) is not sensible work, it's sloppy. Bergevin should consider walking.
It does when we consider MBs body of work...
He has a well established history of poor negotiation outcomes with players he arbitrarily decides to play hardball with and publicly undermines.
Ego before execution. Par for the course.
They can trade JK after signing him if he agrees. They probably have an offer for him and for that contract Kotkaniemi will agree to anything.
TheHabs BruinRipper
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I do not blame the kid. KK gets 3 times his salary. I blame the GM. Tampa bay never let their top players get to RFA like this. They sign them long term. Suzuki (this year) and Caufield (next year) must be signed to long term deals to prevent offers like this. If they wanted to keep KK, he should have been signed months ago.
In my perspective, i would not sign/match KK for 6M (let Carolina choke at the end of next year). I take the picks for next years deep draft and look at market for substitute. Once season starts, we get cap relief from Weber contract
I think the plan B was/is Kotkaniemi oddly enough.
Perhaps this accelerates plan A? I don't know...just spit balling here.
But something doesn't fit.
FinnHab
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Perhaps...but it has to be more than that IMO.
You can think whatever you want about MB but there's just no way he would allow another team to set his terms in a contract negotiation.
He knew this was coming and allowed it...they're got to be a reason for it.
i don't blame KK one bit either . none. your plan isn't bad, but very, very speculative.
Adam Michaels
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This is the scenario I proposed in more than one thread.
If I'm MB, I'm working the phones and see if the picks they can get from Canes will help him swing a deal for a center.
If yes, I accept the compensation.
WeThreeKings
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5.5 was a lot to pay for a player you traded your blue chip prospect for, who whined and cried his way off a far better team and checked out on them multiple times.. but we did that.
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Don't forget his 5goals and 3 asst in this years playoffs,when the real season happens......you pay the kid and roll on give him a multi yr extension and like Subban and Gally27 if the feelings are too hurt ,make a trade later down the road
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It's an interesting challenge to end the summer with a positive result.
Some facts to consider before any move;
- KK , after Gallagher, would be the highest paid player. Something other players could dislike a lot. It will be the same if he plays for the Canes.
- KK with this 6,1 m$ will get a tonne of pressure on his shoulders. Fans are going to be severe with him.
- Carolina will need to offer him a QO next season to keep him and that means more than 6,1m $. If they don't , KK turns complete free agent. But the Canes could offer him a year at that price but with more seasons at a lower price.
- Bergevin could offer sheet Necas next season, because the Canes gonna be unable to match with all the big contracts they already pay
For one, i wouldn't match the offer sheet because it's a 2 seasons- not only one- monster cap eater. I also think that the fans of Montreal could really give him a hard time. I think that Bergevin could trade to get Dvorak , so Habs would get a good centre signed for +- 4,5$ m. An offer based on the 2 selections + XY could make it done. I don't think that he could get Eichel, but it still possible if the Sabres decide to going completely in a re-build process , because all the draft pics/solid prospects the Habs have in their hands
Some facts to consider before any move;
- KK , after Gallagher, would be the highest paid player. Something other players could dislike a lot. It will be the same if he plays for the Canes.
- KK with this 6,1 m$ will get a tonne of pressure on his shoulders. Fans are going to be severe with him.
- Carolina will need to offer him a QO next season to keep him and that means more than 6,1m $. If they don't , KK turns complete free agent. But the Canes could offer him a year at that price but with more seasons at a lower price.
- Bergevin could offer sheet Necas next season, because the Canes gonna be unable to match with all the big contracts they already pay
For one, i wouldn't match the offer sheet because it's a 2 seasons- not only one- monster cap eater. I also think that the fans of Montreal could really give him a hard time. I think that Bergevin could trade to get Dvorak , so Habs would get a good centre signed for +- 4,5$ m. An offer based on the 2 selections + XY could make it done. I don't think that he could get Eichel, but it still possible if the Sabres decide to going completely in a re-build process , because all the draft pics/solid prospects the Habs have in their hands
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