Canes Offer Sheet KK (6.1 for 1 yr) Part II

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Milhouse40

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Again, this morning, I haven't changed my mind. I will be STUNNED in capital letters, if we don't sign him. But Bergie's ego will take note, offer JK an extension after this contract without having to qualify him....and then trade him. Yet...all this is relative to JK having a good season. If Bergevin doesn'T think JK will have a good one...he might be gone. Yet...if he had no hope in JK...why in the world do you let Danault go?

Anyway, in the Bédard-Wright-Matchkov and all those guys eras....I'm all for starting over. Completely.

I agree....there's only one way out for Bergevin and it is to find some equivalent player for that exact price on the trade market (or better of course). There's no other way to get out of this f***ed up situation.
 

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Not with those signing bonuses.

Reason they traded their young number 1 goaltender and let hamilton go. Signing bonuses are more commun now and they didn’t want to add them with Aho’s.

I completely forgot bout the bonuses

Fair point
 

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i truly hope you're right, because if not this is fireable, sloppy and arrogant
Fireable?

I mean it's possible that he's fine with the compensation for losing KK.

I don't agree with that but I don't think that in itself is a fireable offense.
 

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He knew this was coming and allowed it...they're got to be a reason for it.
Was MB trying to include him in his Eichel offers but Buffalo said they’d rather have 2-3 1st rounders instead, so he tried to shop him for picks but no one was biting? Then he hears this and decides it’s one way to get the picks he needs? I may be giving him too much credit.

Edit: Or simply he heard about it but there was nothing he could do.
 

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This is the scenario I proposed in more than one thread.

If I'm MB, I'm working the phones and see if the picks they can get from Canes will help him swing a deal for a center.

If yes, I accept the compensation.

I agree... but he got 7 days to pull it off and every GM knows now he's desperate.
Not going to be easy if not impossible.

But the more I think about it......the more I sign KK if no deal is possible.
We can't just be left with a thumbs up our asses and running Evans on the top 6 for the foresseable future.
 
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he was slotted to be the number 2 Center. He was going to log minutes this year, played above average for two playoffs in a row. I think he’s more valuable than Hoffmann and Byron. I think he should be getting at least 3. Sounds like some people on this board view him like MB.

again, good for kk.
Yep, I do view him like a lot of hockey execs.
 

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I think we should move on from Kotkaniemi.

Take the picks and offer sheet Elias Petersson for 8.5 for 5 years.

We will lose 2 first rounds picks, 1 second and a third but with the picks gained by losing KK, the trade is:

Kotkaniemi, 1st round pick, 2nd round pick

for Pettersson

EP would be great but....this is a dangerous game. You can bet that the Canucks will come after Suzuki/Caufield/Romanov if MB do that. Also it would take more than 8.5 i think....more like probably 10 which means 2 x 1st , 1 x 2nd and 1 x 3rd

I'd like to get EP but that's diving straight into the offer sheet fire
 

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They tried working out a trade and couldn't reach an agreement so he said f*** it, offersheet him and we'll move on
Which is why I continue to believe that heading into this season with Kotkaniemi as a top 6C on this team was never *the* plan but rather plan B.
 
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Was MB trying to include him in his Eichel offers but Buffalo said they’d rather have 2-3 1st rounders instead, so he tried to shop him for picks but no one was biting? Then he hears this and decides it’s one way to get the picks he needs? I may be giving him too much credit.
It's not about giving him too much credit but there has to be a reason.

I'm like you here, trying to read the tea leaves.

It's not a crazy thought to be honest
 

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KK would be a fool not to take it.
He's also a fool to have taken it.. he knows the position he puts the Habs in, to me this is a clear indication that he wants out. Aho deserved the contract the Habs offered him, KK doesn't deserve this contract. I would've understood a 3-4 year contract at 4-5 millions per, but this is a clear FU move on both Carolina and KK's parts. He persona non grata for me now and I was a huge fan. This kid turns his back on the team that reached to draft him 3rd overall because he didn't play all the games in the finals? Sounds to me like he's a spoiled little brat. Good riddance.
 

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If he's a bust, either if it's the Habs or Canes, it means Bergevin screwed up another 3rd overall pick......I wouldn't call that a win by any stretch of the imagination.

Like I said yesterday......that 1st and 3rd round pick wouldn't even be close enough to get Brady Tkachuk right now.
There's not even a discussion.

Islanders paid a 1st, 2nd and 3rd for Pageau.......we would be trading a young KK that produce equally with tons more of potential for less. We traded Eller for 2 x 2nd round pick.......

If Kotkaniemi become that type of player it's a win for the Canes.
If they can resign to a long term deal with a decent salary, it's a win for the Canes
If he becomes the top 6 center we expected him to be.....it's a steal for the Canes.

The Habs can't win this.
If they keep the picks its at MIN 2 years if the canes completely crapped the bed before that 1st (even a top 10) would see the ice at 19 years old. Carey price is how old? Weber, petry, armia, gally, anderson and toffi hoffman byron and even savard? There is a large portion of our core staring down 30+ years of age and all that entails as some of us older folks know. Lehk is 26 already. we have an aging group of players and HAD 5 good young peices. Take away KK makes it harder for a win now team. If you can flip those assets, great, but it doesn't hlep us if you keep them for likely 3-5 years. Its another set back and means you should just blow up the team.

It really was a brilliant move, there are a lot of angles that this hurts the habs. We are better off keeping him and hoping he is a 2nd line center. If he is a 2C then he is worth 6 million, but it also hurts our cap structure. Not that Drouin is helping it much.
 
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Don’t worry we can always play Drouin at center! Don’t get upset. We are set! Lmfao
 

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He proved he was great in the playoffs and at 20 years old. He proved that the habs losing Danault didn't matter to them. There is rumour it was for less. And it is ONLY his performance bonus from his ELC. What was the duration of that offer? 3 years at 2.5? I would laugh at that. Esp knowing the habs need him with Danault gone, or the fact he has been in multiple trade talks. He won't be a hab anyway so why take that offer.
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For a comparable of someone drafted after him and given a chance here is a write up on Brady T

Make no mistake, though, he’s in big league territory and there are a few trails to follow with what’s happened recently with high-end draft picks coming out of their entry-level deals.
If the Senators go down the long-term road, buying Tkachuk out of years of unrestricted free agency, the contracts of New Jersey’s Nico Hischier (seven years, $50.75 million), Winnipeg’s Kyle Connor (seven years, $50 million), Arizona’s Clayton Keller (eight years, $57.2 million) and Colorado’s Mikko Rantanen (six years, $55 million) could come into play.

There are mid-range options, where players don’t give up unrestricted free agency and maintain salary arbitration rights when the contract expires.
Mathew Barzal of the New York Islanders (three years, $21 million), San Jose’s Timo Meier (four years, $24 million) and Vancouver’s Brock Boeser (three years, $17.62 million) are part of that world.
The most interesting contract here, however, could be the three-year, $21-million deal signed by Matthew Tkachuk — Brady’s brother — with Calgary in 2019.

DO any of those contracts look like 2-2.5 million deals? Let alone the duration?
KK’s value in terms of hockey accomplishments is nowhere close to the aforementioned players. You do bring valuable and researched arguments. Kudos.
 
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He's also a fool to have taken it.. he knows the position he puts the Habs in, to me this is a clear indication that he wants out. Aho deserved the contract the Habs offered him, KK doesn't deserve this contract. I would've understood a 3-4 year contract at 4-5 millions per, but this is a clear FU move on both Carolina and KK's parts. He persona non grata for me now and I was a huge fan. This kid turns his back on the team that reached to draft him 3rd overall because he didn't play all the games in the finals? Sounds to me like he's a spoiled little brat. Good riddance.
He will win a cup with Carolina...
 

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I agree... but he got 7 days to pull it off and every GM knows now he's desperate.
Not going to be easy if not impossible.

But the more I think about it......the more I sign KK if no deal is possible.
We can't just be left with a thumbs up our asses and running Evans on the top 6 for the foresseable future.

it's ok, we had Danault as our first C a couple seasons ago.

It's sad, but its not gonna be the worst toster MB iced during his tenure
 
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He's also a fool to have taken it.. he knows the position he puts the Habs in, to me this is a clear indication that he wants out. Aho deserved the contract the Habs offered him, KK doesn't deserve this contract. I would've understood a 3-4 year contract at 4-5 millions per, but this is a clear FU move on both Carolina and KK's parts. He persona non grata for me now and I was a huge fan. This kid turns his back on the team that reached to draft him 3rd overall because he didn't play all the games in the finals? Sounds to me like he's a spoiled little brat. Good riddance.

The f*** are you talking about.

He took the deal BECAUSE IT'S 6.1 MILLION DOLLARS, his dad has f***ing cancer and he is in a profession where you could have a major knee injury and never be able to play in the NHL again.

All these personal attacks when every single one of you air heads would accept 3x their salary if any other organization was dumb enough to offer you it.
 

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And this is the kind of comment that made him leave montreal just turning 21 this last month. LOL barely a 3 C.....man some are pretty salty about this kid we saw play to all of 20 years old and called a complete bum.

Even MB had him pegged higher than that.
The thing that made him leave Montreal is wads of cash. and not giving a f*** about this team

And if what you say is true and he's leaving a team after a couple years after a few (justified) criticisms from the fan base.... well that doesn't bode for his future as a professional athlete. I'd say leaving a team over that is more salty than the fan comments by a long shot.
 

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He's also a fool to have taken it.. he knows the position he puts the Habs in, to me this is a clear indication that he wants out. Aho deserved the contract the Habs offered him, KK doesn't deserve this contract. I would've understood a 3-4 year contract at 4-5 millions per, but this is a clear FU move on both Carolina and KK's parts. He persona non grata for me now and I was a huge fan. This kid turns his back on the team that reached to draft him 3rd overall because he didn't play all the games in the finals? Sounds to me like he's a spoiled little brat. Good riddance.

Bitching at a player for negotiating is not logical. The habs have botched every step of this one. They reached to get a center and took a project, then they decided to play the project in the NHL at 18 instead of letting him work on his game, then they benched him instead of working on the project. If the habs wanted him to think of the organization before signing an offer sheet they should have prioritized his development.

MB just does not seem to be able to negotiate. Some people negotiate the price down while making everyone happy. I'm like Bergevin. I negotiate, the price goes up, other people get more money and they are still less happy than they were before the negotiations when they would have had less. I try to let other people negotiate for me because I know I'm not going to make things better for myself. Bergevin should do the same and have someone else negotiate, at least with returning players.
 

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EP would be great but....this is a dangerous game. You can bet that the Canucks will come after Suzuki/Caufield/Romanov if MB do that. Also it would take more than 8.5 i think....more like probably 10 which means 2 x 1st , 1 x 2nd and 1 x 3rd

I'd like to get EP but that's diving straight into the offer sheet fire
I mean we just got a 1,3 if we let kk go. So we would basically be giving up KK,1,2 for Peterson.

you’re right though, will be a dangerous game
 
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I don't care what anyone says this offer sheet stuff is good for the league. I hope more teams do it. Teams aren't nice to each other on ice now let's move it to the front offices. Nascar has become to nice, to friendly, professional sports need to stop that crap.
 

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He's also a fool to have taken it.. he knows the position he puts the Habs in, to me this is a clear indication that he wants out. Aho deserved the contract the Habs offered him, KK doesn't deserve this contract. I would've understood a 3-4 year contract at 4-5 millions per, but this is a clear FU move on both Carolina and KK's parts. He persona non grata for me now and I was a huge fan. This kid turns his back on the team that reached to draft him 3rd overall because he didn't play all the games in the finals? Sounds to me like he's a spoiled little brat. Good riddance.
It's a clear indication that he wants six million dollars and the Canadiens weren't offering even half that. I can not fathom holding this against Kotkaniemi. Absolutely absurd that we cheer for the team run by the "if you want loyalty buy a dog" guy that replaced Markov with Karl f***ing Alzner and we're supposed to expect a player to walk away from SIX MILLION DOLLARS.
 

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To do what?

In what world is KK in the wrong outside of this false reality some fans live in where every player should bend the f*** over for the team they cheer for, as if they are playing EA sports.

No person would refuse 3x their salary for some faux sense of allegiance to an organization.
And when they do its not like that team can't or won't suddenly throw them overboard-see Markov. Subban loved the habs and despite MBs very words of never trading him, he was gone in a few weeks time. Its business and I can say I don't get attached to any player anymore. How can you when you have 1/3 of the roster flipped each and every year.
 

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It is a lose, lose situation for Montreal, weather they match or not, and the only person to blame is MB,

The Aho OS back fired, live by the sword, die by the sword, looks like Carolina will end up having the last laugh here, good on them,

Generally when a player signs an OS it means the player is disgruntled with his current team and situation,

After being benched and scratched in the playoffs, this is most likely the case, KK doesn't want to be here,

Not sure I would want a disgruntled player back, can't blame the kid for becoming a millionaire,

MB and the organization are the only ones to blame here,

Danault and KK out, that "deep" center depth is looking pretty shallow now,
 
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