Canes Offer Sheet KK (6.1 for 1 yr) Part II

[coastalview]

 

[dukeofjive]

The fact that there owner is a clown and there team irrelevant makes this even funnier, take the 2 picks, and let carolina let him walk away next year.

 

[Habby4Life]

For the 2ish million Bergevin was going to offer? Doubtful. We’ll need to pay more to replace, thus, less for new players .

KK 20 points 56 games. 6.1 mil
AG 21 points 40 games. 1 mil
Dvorak 31 points 56 games. 4.4 mil

THere are options that are better than paying kk 6.

 

[Plural]

The fact that JK signed that offer sheet with 20$ signing bonus puzzles me. I mean, does the player have any say in that? Cause if JK was just fine with it, it kind of seems like he's giving the finger to Habs front office.

What's the perception of this among you guys? Even if you'd be ready to match that number, does it worry anyone here that JK might be too displeased with Habs management?

 

[Habsfan2992]

Wait so I'm unsure if I'm understanding this so are the canes offering KK 6.1 mill? Sorry I must be not understanding if that's the case and if it is what I'm reading then we'd have to match right? Well if that's what it is then I get it it's because of the aho offer sheet in retribution.. if that's the deal then bye bye KK he's not even remotely close to 6 million.. thank you for the draft picks all day long and please make another offer towards anyone other than Suzuki and we'll be good.. again I'm unsure if the offer is a 6.1 million contract but if so we better not match that

 

[Habby4Life]

For the 2ish million Bergevin was going to offer? Doubtful. We’ll need to pay more to replace, thus, less for new players .

KK 20 points 56 games. 6.1 mil
AG 21 points 40 games. 1 mil
Dvorak 31 pts 56 games 4.4 mil

As much as it kills me, I’d take Ag at 1 mil over kk at 6 everyday of the week.

 

[Habsfan2992]

So give up KK and offer sheet someone else on their roster after they start paying KK 6 mill lol

 

[Hiukafen]

Pretty mint.

This should happen more often. I think both Canes and Habs GMs have to be very careful in coming seasons with their RFA status players.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Here's the thing, y'all.

If CAR doesn't make this offer, then JK is stuck with a $2.5m bridge deal, or a low QO, or arbitration, and he's stuck for 3 years. He's cost controlled by MTL.

JK has nothing to lose. He knows he's not worth 6.1, but that doesn't matter, because the 6.1 is just the mechanism to force MTL's hand.

Even if MTL says no, and they should, then CAR pays 6.1 for one year when they've got the cap space to do it, and then at the end of the 21-22 season, CAR says "ok, like we agreed, we're not making you a QO of 6.1, so let's figure out what you're really worth, and if you don't agree you can go UFA and no hard feelings." Thus getting exclusive negotiating rights for his *actual* value, and likely some goodwill for freeing him from the MTL org.

Worst case for JK, he's a UFA at 22, almost certainly making more than he would have been making with MTL.

This 1 year offer sheet was nasty genius. The fact that it was revenge is just the cherry on top.

Maybe y'all should have played that kid more than 13 minutes a game.

 

[Sens]

It hurts for sure. KK was the wrong pick to make three years ago. It was a mistake to keep him at 18. He was mishandled quite a bit by Julien and Ducharme. He did not progress as expected. Very sad.

those playoff goals and crucial OT production...

 

[Habby4Life]

Here's the thing, y'all.

If CAR doesn't make this offer, then JK is stuck with a $2.5m bridge deal, or a low QO, or arbitration, and he's stuck for 3 years. He's cost controlled by MTL.

JK has nothing to lose. He knows he's not worth 6.1, but that doesn't matter, because the 6.1 is just the mechanism to force MTL's hand.

Even if MTL says no, and they should, then CAR pays 6.1 for one year when they've got the cap space to do it, and then at the end of the 21-22 season, CAR says "ok, like we agreed, we're not making you a QO of 6.1, so let's figure out what you're really worth, and if you don't agree you can go UFA and no hard feelings." Thus getting exclusive negotiating rights for his *actual* value, and likely some goodwill for freeing him from the MTL org.

Worst case for JK, he's a UFA at 22, almost certainly making more than he would have been making with MTL.

This 1 year offer sheet was nasty genius. The fact that it was revenge is just the cherry on top.

Gladly take the 1st and 3rd, 6.1 for bottom 6 center, c ya!

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Gladly take the 1st and 3rd, 6.1 for bottom 6 center, c ya!

He's not a bottom 6 center for us, he's a top 9 wing that will likely be top 6 for a big chunk of the year. And that's probably worth a low 1st and a 3rd.

 

[Heffyhoof]

Here's the thing, y'all.

If CAR doesn't make this offer, then JK is stuck with a $2.5m bridge deal, or a low QO, or arbitration, and he's stuck for 3 years. He's cost controlled by MTL.

JK has nothing to lose. He knows he's not worth 6.1, but that doesn't matter, because the 6.1 is just the mechanism to force MTL's hand.

Even if MTL says no, and they should, then CAR pays 6.1 for one year when they've got the cap space to do it, and then at the end of the 21-22 season, CAR says "ok, like we agreed, we're not making you a QO of 6.1, so let's figure out what you're really worth, and if you don't agree you can go UFA and no hard feelings." Thus getting exclusive negotiating rights for his *actual* value, and likely some goodwill for freeing him from the MTL org.

Worst case for JK, he's a UFA at 22, almost certainly making more than he would have been making with MTL.

This 1 year offer sheet was nasty genius. The fact that it was revenge is just the cherry on top.

This spells out the crucial difference between the Aho offer sheet and the Kotkaniemi one. This one actually puts Montreal in a notable bind considering its sheer value to the player and the player alone. That and I've said it before but there's also no way Carolina is putting this much value into offer sheeting him unless they think it's worth it. Does Montreal agree with that assessment is the question.

 

[Tutu to]

Here's the thing, y'all.

If CAR doesn't make this offer, then JK is stuck with a $2.5m bridge deal, or a low QO, or arbitration, and he's stuck for 3 years. He's cost controlled by MTL.

JK has nothing to lose. He knows he's not worth 6.1, but that doesn't matter, because the 6.1 is just the mechanism to force MTL's hand.

Even if MTL says no, and they should, then CAR pays 6.1 for one year when they've got the cap space to do it, and then at the end of the 21-22 season, CAR says "ok, like we agreed, we're not making you a QO of 6.1, so let's figure out what you're really worth, and if you don't agree you can go UFA and no hard feelings." Thus getting exclusive negotiating rights for his *actual* value, and likely some goodwill for freeing him from the MTL org.

Worst case for JK, he's a UFA at 22, almost certainly making more than he would have been making with MTL.

This 1 year offer sheet was nasty genius. The fact that it was revenge is just the cherry on top.

Maybe y'all should have played that kid more than 13 minutes a game.

Couldn’t you have used that money on keeping Hamilton, your goalies or another quality player?

Team definitely looking weaker then last year.

 

[Adriatic]

He's not a bottom 6 center for us, he's a top 9 wing that will likely be top 6 for a big chunk of the year. And that's probably worth a low 1st and a 3rd.

KK a winger lololol. Good one!!

 

[Habby4Life]

He's not a bottom 6 center for us, he's a top 9 wing that will likely be top 6 for a big chunk of the year.

Gladly take a 1st and a 3rd for a 30 point bottom 9 winger at 6.1 mil, c ya, enjoy!

 

[Navin R Slavin]

This spells out the crucial difference between the Aho offer sheet and the Kotkaniemi one. This one actually puts Montreal in a notable bind considering its sheer value to the player and the player alone. That and I've said it before but there's also no way Carolina is putting this much value into offer sheeting him unless they think it's worth it. Does Montreal agree with that assessment is the question.

Right. The crucial detail is that CAR is free to value him differently. If MTL wants to keep him, the floor is set at 6.1m for each of the next four years, or lose him to UFA. They can't trade him this year because it's not allowed, and they won't be able to trade him in future years unless they actually sign him, and they won't be able to sign him for less than 6.1 AAV. It's a nasty spot. It seems pretty obvious that they have to just take the picks.

 

[Sens]

Gladly take the 1st and 3rd, 6.1 for bottom 6 center, c ya!

cause players don’t develop?

Blake Wheeler was not even a PPG player at the ncaa level at 20... another 3rd overall pick

Olli Jokinen another 3rd overall pick... go look him up

 

[Mandala]

Match and move on.

 

[Habby4Life]

cause players don’t develop?

Blake Wheeler was not even a PPG player at the ncaa level at 20... another 3rd overall pick

Olli Jokinen another 3rd overall pick... go look him up

And for everyone one of those guys dozens/hundreds bust.

Go look up Diagle, Stefan

He ain’t a 6 mil C no matter how anyone wants to cut it. Too many flaws.

 

[Archijerej]

Analyzing the Jesperi Kotkaniemi offer sheet from every angle - EP Rinkside

A good take from David St-Louis. It's behind a paywall.

 

[Rapala]

This off season just keeps getting better and better.

 

[Periwinkle]

While I love the pettiness angle and CAR seems to "win" either way, considering they don't seem to mind paying way too much for 1 year of Kotkaniemi (and assuming the 1st doesn't turn into some monster player), I actually think this will turn into harm for the organisation in the longer run. The owner/management is notoriously stingy, they reportedly made insulting offers to Aho, Teräväinen is signed at 5.4 AAV, other players have taken deals at below market value. And good for the organisation for being smart with the finances, but what exactly is the motivation for the players having good will in the future, when they see them throwing money for the lols but not not respecting their talents with market value contracts? What is the motivation for taking sweet heart deals? And should Kotkaniemi join the team, there is bound to be some hard feelings in the locker room for a bottom 6 player making more than the top guys.

Edit:Sorry, meant to post this in the main board thread.

 

[Binary Code]

If we sign KK at 6.1, we're also f***** with Suzuki and Caufield next contracts ...

 

[Schooner Guy]

Gladly take a 1st and a 3rd for a 30 point bottom 9 winger at 6.1 mil, c ya, enjoy!

You act like being a 30 point player at age 20 means you will continue to be a 30 point player.