Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

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The momentum is growing as Telus is withdrawing sponsorship of Hockey Canada. Esso is concerned about the situation and has sent their expectations to Hockey Canada.

 

[Iron Mike Sharpe]

The NHL should really take action, as well. They should immediately suspend all players without pay who were on the 2018 team who are currently under contract with NHL teams until an investigation is concluded. Hopefully that would force the issue and pressure everyone who knows anything to out the assailants. If current NHLers were involved, the NHL is not going to be able to sweep this under the carpet, so they need to be proactive and show they are taking this seriously. They really don't need to be dealing with leaked names and details down the road, it will be a black eye on the entire league if they don't take decisive action immediately. If they do take some kind of action, it has the potential of making a huge impact rippling throughout hockey culture in North America.

Nip it in the bud, it's only going to grow into a monster if they don't.

 

[Hale The Villain]

The NHL should really take action, as well. They should immediately suspend all players without pay who were on the 2018 team who are currently under contract with NHL teams until an investigation is concluded. Hopefully that would force the issue and pressure everyone who knows anything to out the assailants. If current NHLers were involved, the NHL is not going to be able to sweep this under the carpet, so they need to be proactive and show they are taking this seriously. They really don't need to be dealing with leaked names and details down the road, it will be a black eye on the entire league if they don't take decisive action immediately. If they do take some kind of action, it has the potential of making a huge impact rippling throughout hockey culture in North America.

Nip it in the bud, it's only going to grow into a monster if they don't.

Collective punishment is idiotic.

Imagine suspending a completely innocent player without pay and labelling him as a potential rapist and calling it justice.

Give your head a shake.

 

[kingsholygrail]

The NHL should really take action, as well. They should immediately suspend all players without pay who were on the 2018 team who are currently under contract with NHL teams until an investigation is concluded. Hopefully that would force the issue and pressure everyone who knows anything to out the assailants. If current NHLers were involved, the NHL is not going to be able to sweep this under the carpet, so they need to be proactive and show they are taking this seriously. They really don't need to be dealing with leaked names and details down the road, it will be a black eye on the entire league if they don't take decisive action immediately. If they do take some kind of action, it has the potential of making a huge impact rippling throughout hockey culture in North America.

Nip it in the bud, it's only going to grow into a monster if they don't.

Good luck convincing the NHLPA to do this.

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Hockey Canada has been so bad on this that they're now bogged down and I'm not sure where they can go to get themselves righted. The next Parliamentary Committee is not for another month, there is going to be a ton of pressure on other sponsors. I don't think they can get through the week without announcing a new, independent, investigation that they promise to release an unredacted copy of - including a demand all players participate or be banned from the national team, for life. Government, media, corporations, and the public after them. There's nowhere to hide.

 

[Static]

The NHL should really take action, as well. They should immediately suspend all players without pay who were on the 2018 team who are currently under contract with NHL teams until an investigation is concluded. Hopefully that would force the issue and pressure everyone who knows anything to out the assailants. If current NHLers were involved, the NHL is not going to be able to sweep this under the carpet, so they need to be proactive and show they are taking this seriously. They really don't need to be dealing with leaked names and details down the road, it will be a black eye on the entire league if they don't take decisive action immediately. If they do take some kind of action, it has the potential of making a huge impact rippling throughout hockey culture in North America.

Nip it in the bud, it's only going to grow into a monster if they don't.

This would have to have been collectively bargained and there is pretty much zero chance it would have been approved. While I agree the players involved should be forced to cooperate with any investigation, you can't discipline before it's known who did what.

 

[Boonk]

Shame on Hockey Canada, this is f**king egregious on their part to either cover it up/let it slip through the cracks in the name of money. Absolutely disgusting.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

Collective punishment is idiotic.

Imagine suspending a completely innocent player without pay and labelling him as a potential rapist and calling it justice.

This would have to have been collectively bargained and there is pretty much zero chance it would have been approved. While I agree the players involved should be forced to cooperate with any investigation, you can't discipline before it's known who did what.

It's not punishment.

Suspension pending investigation is pretty common practice in work environments in both Canada and the US. There's nothing wrong with an employer doing due dilligence and making sure they're not harboring and enabling rapists.

The players who are cleared can immediately resume their career as soon as the investigation is over. Something that would have been cleared out years ago if these numbnuts had talked in the first place, instead of contributing to a culture of silence like a heartless bunch of idiots and refusing to collaborate for 3 years.

 

[Prairie Habs]

It's not punishment.

Suspension pending investigation is pretty common practice in work environments in both Canada and the US. There's nothing wrong with an employer doing due dilligence and making sure they're not harboring and enabling rapists.

The players who are cleared can immediately resume their career as soon as the investigation is over. Something that would have been cleared out years ago if these numbnuts had talked in the first place, instead of contributing to a culture of silence like a heartless bunch of idiots and refusing to collaborate for 3 years.

There's a difference between administrative leave and suspension without pay. The "without pay" part being the big one.

If you said suspend all players not fully cooperating with the investigation I would be on board though.

 

[IslesNorway]

This goes to the heart of "hockey culture" and is just another in a long line of tragic happenings in recent years. It's got to stop.

The silence from Hockey Canada is alarming. It just proves their incompetence even more. But they must look wider than this: all the junior teams need to start taking this seriously as well. They need to educate their players and set the standart for what is considered unacceptable. The macho culture has to go, the hazing, the picking on, the abuse and the "boys will be boys" attitude that is at the heart of the game needs to be thrown out the door.

 

[Voight]

The NHL should really take action, as well. They should immediately suspend all players without pay who were on the 2018 team who are currently under contract with NHL teams until an investigation is concluded. Hopefully that would force the issue and pressure everyone who knows anything to out the assailants. If current NHLers were involved, the NHL is not going to be able to sweep this under the carpet, so they need to be proactive and show they are taking this seriously. They really don't need to be dealing with leaked names and details down the road, it will be a black eye on the entire league if they don't take decisive action immediately. If they do take some kind of action, it has the potential of making a huge impact rippling throughout hockey culture in North America.

Nip it in the bud, it's only going to grow into a monster if they don't.

You sound like the people who wanted Patrick Kane suspended in 2015 just because he was accused of sexual assault.

Can the NHL even punish them ? They committed these acts before they were in the league (only exception would be Victor Mete; if he happens to be one of the 8 players involved).

Shame on Hockey Canada, this is f**king egregious on their part to either cover it up/let it slip through the cracks in the name of money. Absolutely disgusting.

They did what any large organization would be so I am not surprised.

 

[LeHab]

As part of NHL investigation pretty sure league will have to offer immunity and anonymity for potential players to talk.

 

[Warden of the North]

Hockey Canada needs a high level cleanout. Everyone who had anything to do with this needs to be shown the door.

 

[Benttheknee]

What are you talking about specifically here? I have to know so I can properly cite everything I've said. Nothing I have said can't be backed up.

This is pure foolishness. Awareness of a problem is the first step in solving the problem and if you think people are properly educated and aware of a sexual assault victim's psychology vs. societal assumptions then you are blind and deaf. I can't even wrap my brain around how stupid a comment this is.


This is just rambling nonsense. Victims too afraid to report sexual assaults is a problem. Sexual assault cases leading to convictions at astonishingly low rates is a problem. Maybe you should have just added the caveat that it isn't a problem for you, then at least it would make sense.


It's weird because I haven't spoke on this part really at all. But, if there were players who refused to cooperate with the investigation (and there were) I think that should be released. Refusal to cooperate (from the accused point of view) is not historically conducive to innocence.

Even if the victim does not want to cooperate with the police there should be a much higher standard of conduct from the organization's point of view than "no see no tell".

"What are you talking about specifically here? I have to know so I can properly cite everything I've said. Nothing I have said can't be backed up."

I am specifically referring to this statement "The bigger issue is building a system where victims feel safe enough to come forward "

There is no evidence this is true. You have ingrained this as your reality, but this can't be measured, you offer no solution and no way to know it has been fixed. This is "thinking past the sale"


"Awareness of a problem is the first step in solving the problem" Correct. How long has "awareness" been solved? I am certainly aware and I was aware decades ago. It is the only thing people can actually do, so they do it. But we all know.

"Victims too afraid to report sexual assaults is a problem"

Yes, but it is the victim that must come forward. They have wide support from the public.

Revealing the accused helps nobody unless there is a criminal case.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

says a lot that those scummy players will just silently stand by and let this all happen

guess they are all developing legal strategies right about now

 

[Static]

"What are you talking about specifically here? I have to know so I can properly cite everything I've said. Nothing I have said can't be backed up."

I am specifically referring to this statement "The bigger issue is building a system where victims feel safe enough to come forward "

There is no evidence this is true. You have ingrained this as your reality, but this can't be measured, you offer no solution and no way to know it has been fixed. This is "thinking past the sale"


"Awareness of a problem is the first step in solving the problem" Correct. How long has "awareness" been solved? I am certainly aware and I was aware decades ago. It is the only thing people can actually do, so they do it. But we all know.

"Victims too afraid to report sexual assaults is a problem"

Yes, but it is the victim that must come forward. They have wide support from the public.

Revealing the accused helps nobody unless there is a criminal case.

Why many sexual assault survivors may not come forward for years

Why would someone who experienced sexual assault wait years or decades to come forward? Research shows the answer is complicated.

journalistsresource.org

I suggest you read this, because, no, you are not aware. There is ample evidence that the majority of sexual assaults go unreported for a variety of reasons, one of which is the victim is afraid to come forward.

It's not punishment.

Suspension pending investigation is pretty common practice in work environments in both Canada and the US. There's nothing wrong with an employer doing due dilligence and making sure they're not harboring and enabling rapists.

The players who are cleared can immediately resume their career as soon as the investigation is over. Something that would have been cleared out years ago if these numbnuts had talked in the first place, instead of contributing to a culture of silence like a heartless bunch of idiots and refusing to collaborate for 3 years.

The NHL wouldn't be able to get away with suspending players without pay during an investigation, that would have to be collectively bargained.

 

[Sugi21]

You are missing the point entirely. Society needs to move in the direction of believing victims first and foremost, not whatever bullshit you're selling behind the "innocence" facade.

Well that’s what society did with Amber Heard they believed her allegations of abuse at the hands of Johnny Depp resulting in him losing endorsements and movie roles. I’m in the group of believing victims when they come out but I do proceed with caution not with blind faith.

 

[Benttheknee]

Why many sexual assault survivors may not come forward for years

Why would someone who experienced sexual assault wait years or decades to come forward? Research shows the answer is complicated.

journalistsresource.org

I suggest you read this, because, no, you are not aware. There is ample evidence that the majority of sexual assaults go unreported for a variety of reasons, one of which is the victim is afraid to come forward.


The NHL wouldn't be able to get away with suspending players without pay during an investigation, that would have to be collectively bargained.

"There is ample evidence that the majority of sexual assaults go unreported for a variety of reasons, one of which is the victim is afraid to come forward."

Agreed, but we can't do more than support them, which society has done.

The next step is to make people more resilient so when they are faced with adversity they can overcome.

 

[Static]

Well that’s what society did with Amber Heard they believed her allegations of abuse at the hands of Johnny Depp resulting in him losing endorsements and movie roles. I’m in the group of believing victims when they come out but I do proceed with caution not with blind faith.

The amber heard trial is a referendum on the social bias of abuse, there is ample evidence that both abused each other. It doesn't mean what you're presenting it to be.

 

[shaner82]

There's so much talk about this situation that I've hard a hard time actually finding out facts.

Has there been a police investigation or only a lawsuit?
Why is Hockey Canada being accused of wrongdoing? I know they settled the lawsuit but the alternative would be for them to fight the victim in court.
Is it that they didn't take action against the accused? Were the names of the accused ever released by the victim?
Is it a fact that a sexual assault did occur? Settling a lawsuit isn't proof of wrongdoing.

I guess I'm wondering what everyone thinks Hockey Canada should have done differently? Did they cover it up somehow?

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I still don't get how Hockey Canada thought they had the best course of action by essentially saying "hey, don't worry everybody, we paid them off!"

 

[Jeune Poulet]

There's a difference between administrative leave and suspension without pay. The "without pay" part being the big one.

If you said suspend all players not fully cooperating with the investigation I would be on board though.

What you are suggesting would also be my own favored course of action.

Note that I'm not the one who suggested to suspend without pay. A simple suspension in case of failure to fully cooperate would be enough, and would probably be largely symbolic since, with some effort, an investigation can be launched soon and hopefully be concluded before the season is underway.

Of course, that's largely my preference. There are legal issues to sort out. And the league has always been a sleazy entity and is likely examining all the best ways to make this go away with a minimal impact for the league, and have of course aboslutely no interest in the victim or any ethical concerns. Neither has the NHLPA.

But the thing is, if this story keeps on snowballing, it could do more harm than good for the NHL and the NHLPA to sit on their hands. So if they won't do what's right, I'm at least hoping the pressure will mount enough for them to have to act to protect their own long term interests.

 

[Hammettf2b]

The NHL should really take action, as well. They should immediately suspend all players without pay who were on the 2018 team who are currently under contract with NHL teams until an investigation is concluded. Hopefully that would force the issue and pressure everyone who knows anything to out the assailants. If current NHLers were involved, the NHL is not going to be able to sweep this under the carpet, so they need to be proactive and show they are taking this seriously. They really don't need to be dealing with leaked names and details down the road, it will be a black eye on the entire league if they don't take decisive action immediately. If they do take some kind of action, it has the potential of making a huge impact rippling throughout hockey culture in North America.

Nip it in the bud, it's only going to grow into a monster if they don't.

oof, what a horrible response that would be.

 

[Frederixx]

How come the executives still have a job? Suspend their founds clearly ain't enough. Who has authority over them, the federal sports minister? You don't have to wait for the 2 year inverstigation to be over with to take action on a matter we already know the issue. Her respond was just as weak as the Hawks on a similar matter.

 

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