Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[Transplanted Caper]

It'll be the World Juniors brought to you by some third-rate crypto currency at this rate.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

"There is ample evidence that the majority of sexual assaults go unreported for a variety of reasons, one of which is the victim is afraid to come forward."

Agreed, but we can't do more than support them, which society has done.

Society supports them? The statement would be funny if the situation wasn't so sad.

The very case we are talking about revolves around a sexual assault involving at least 8 players and happened in 2019. Hockey Canada was aware of it all this time.

It took a reporter breaking the story years later for us to know that the largest hockey organisation in Canada, publicly funded, paid off the silence of the victim, pressure from a marginalized opposition (The Bloc) until the story started picking up, more pressure until weeks later sponsors are starting to realize this won't go away.

Meanwhile, we have dicks playing devil's advocate on social media and forums, pontificating about the importance of preserving our obviously broken justice system and sharing other pearls of mysoginistic wisdom.

It's safe to say that a blanket statement such as "society supports the victims" doesn't pass the slightest bit of scrutiny. Pull your head out of wherever place you shoved it and take a closer look at what's going on. We're seeing cases like this all the time, especially involving powerful, priviledged people getting away with awful behavior, usually thanks to intimidation, money and the general indifference of "society".

Contrary to what you pretend. We can and should do a lot more to fix this. And it starts by recognizing that it is within our power instead of pretending things should work in the same broken way.

 

[NeverForget06]

It'll be the World Juniors brought to you by some third-rate crypto currency at this rate.

That and 26 different gambling websites

 

[Transplanted Caper]

Esso out too.

 

[frederixx]

If i'm not mistaken, Bauer is still supporting them. Hope people stop buying Bauer gears until they realize how badly corrupt HC is.

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

As part of NHL investigation pretty sure league will have to offer immunity and anonymity for potential players to talk.

Nope

 

[didimentionlarseller]

I’m pretty sure nhl athletes have some kind of morality clause in their agreement. Just dismiss all 8 players summarily - cancel their contracts.

 

[Divine]

I’m pretty sure nhl athletes have some kind of morality clause in their agreement. Just dismiss all 8 players summarily - cancel their contracts.

The issue is there's no way to find out who the 8 players are because the victim herself never named them.

So unless a player comes forward and says I was one of them, it's impossible to know.

 

[didimentionlarseller]

The issue is there's no way to find out who the 8 players are because the victim herself never named them.

So unless a player comes forward and says I was one of them, it's impossible to know.

They will know who the players are from statements made to police before the coverup happened and also the victim can id them

There will also be witnesses of her at the bar with those creeps

 

[Benttheknee]

Society supports them? The statement would be funny if the situation wasn't so sad.

The very case we are talking about revolves around a sexual assault involving at least 8 players and happened in 2019. Hockey Canada was aware of it all this time.

It took a reporter breaking the story years later for us to know that the largest hockey organisation in Canada, publicly funded, paid off the silence of the victim, pressure from a marginalized opposition (The Bloc) until the story started picking up, more pressure until weeks later sponsors are starting to realize this won't go away.

Meanwhile, we have dicks playing devil's advocate on social media and forums, pontificating about the importance of preserving our obviously broken justice system and sharing other pearls of mysoginistic wisdom.

It's safe to say that a blanket statement such as "society supports the victims" doesn't pass the slightest bit of scrutiny. Pull your head out of wherever place you shoved it and take a closer look at what's going on. We're seeing cases like this all the time, especially involving powerful, priviledged people getting away with awful behavior, usually thanks to intimidation, money and the general indifference of "society".

Contrary to what you pretend. We can and should do a lot more to fix this. And it starts by recognizing that it is within our power instead of pretending things should work in the same broken way.

She was paid. It was her choice to resolve the allegations. This was her choice. Get that? She made this decision. Do you want to take money from the victim and force her to go to court?

"It's safe to say that a blanket statement such as "society supports the victims" doesn't pass the slightest bit of scrutiny."

I keep hearing that, but nobody can prove it. Who is trying to punish the victim? Well, beyond people like you.

"We can and should do a lot more to fix this"

Ok, then provide a valid solution.

 

[PeteWorrell]

She was paid. It was her choice to resolve the allegations. This was her choice. Get that? She made this decision. Do you want to take money from the victim and force her to go to court?

"It's safe to say that a blanket statement such as "society supports the victims" doesn't pass the slightest bit of scrutiny."

I keep hearing that, but nobody can prove it. Who is trying to punish the victim? Well, beyond people like you.

"We can and should do a lot more to fix this"

Ok, then provide a valid solution.

To say that it was her decision to take the money and shut up is such a simplistic view on things. If the victim does not feel safe coming out because she is afraid of being dragged out in the mud publicly against a powerful entity like Hockey Canada, she will most likely take the easy way out. It takes a lot of fortitude that most people don't have to live with the idea that the public knows that you were gang raped and then face the scrutiny of all the people out there ready to slander you.

If you can't understand something so simple then yes, you can continue writing vague posts about keeping the status quo.

 

[Benttheknee]

To say that it was her decision to take the money and shut up is such a simplistic view on things. If the victim does not feel safe coming out because she is afraid of being dragged out in the mud publicly against a powerful entity like Hockey Canada, she will most likely take the easy way out. It takes a lot of fortitude that most people don't have to live with the idea that the public knows that you were gang raped and then face the scrutiny of all the people out there ready to slander you.

If you can't understand something so simple then yes, you can continue writing vague posts about keeping the status quo.

"If the victim does not feel safe coming out because she is afraid of being dragged out in the mud publicly against a powerful entity like Hockey Canada,"

Mind reading. That is what you did to come to your opinion. You not only know how she feels but the exact reason for it.

This is what victim advocacy has become. You are willing to sacrifice the victim in the belief that their decision, which is the one they made., was wrong.

Some help you people are.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

Hockey Canada as an entity appears to be paying a high price but I seriously doubt the NHL steps in here or that the players involved have any further consequences for their actions beyond a guilty conscience (maybe). The settlement assures that.

 

[hockey20000]

damn sponsors dropping fast can't blame them though hc needs to clear house and change. how's this gonna efect world juiinors in august?

Any leaks on who the 8 might be? hoping my sens drake and formington weren't part of it.

 

[Richard]

Ok firstly, if criminal charges are brought EVERYONE has to testify regardless of NDA's. An NDA is for civil use only, you don't have to subject yourself to contempt of court and/or criminal charges by not testifying.

The lawyers for hockey Canada 100% know the entirety of the facts, including who was responsible. That is protected by privilege and will never come out if a firewall was built between the lawyers and the leadership of Hockey Canada.

Now, a government can subpoena witnesses, but I would imagine (not knowing Canadian Law) that the NDA would hold up unless it is a criminal proceeding (grand jury or trial).

So, I wouldn't imagine them opening up the factual basis for settlement (there are dozens of worms whose cans I did not mention) beyond where the money came from, and that information can be obtained solely from the organization.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

damn sponsors dropping fast can't blame them though hc needs to clear house and change. how's this gonna efect world juiinors in august?

Any leaks on who the 8 might be? hoping my sens drake and formington weren't part of it.

Not going to see it leak as the names are protected under NDA and supposedly were never mentioned at all to begin with anyways.

 

[shaner82]

Society supports them? The statement would be funny if the situation wasn't so sad.

The very case we are talking about revolves around a sexual assault involving at least 8 players and happened in 2019. Hockey Canada was aware of it all this time.

It took a reporter breaking the story years later for us to know that the largest hockey organisation in Canada, publicly funded, paid off the silence of the victim, pressure from a marginalized opposition (The Bloc) until the story started picking up, more pressure until weeks later sponsors are starting to realize this won't go away.

Meanwhile, we have dicks playing devil's advocate on social media and forums, pontificating about the importance of preserving our obviously broken justice system and sharing other pearls of mysoginistic wisdom.

It's safe to say that a blanket statement such as "society supports the victims" doesn't pass the slightest bit of scrutiny. Pull your head out of wherever place you shoved it and take a closer look at what's going on. We're seeing cases like this all the time, especially involving powerful, priviledged people getting away with awful behavior, usually thanks to intimidation, money and the general indifference of "society".

Contrary to what you pretend. We can and should do a lot more to fix this. And it starts by recognizing that it is within our power instead of pretending things should work in the same broken way.

How did they buy her silence? Hockey Canada immediately reported the allegations to the police as well as hired a 3rd party organization to do an investigation. The police closed the investigation without charges and the "victim" refused to cooperate with the independent investigation.

What more should Hockey Canada have done? Fight her in court rather than settle?

 

[MXD]

As part of NHL investigation pretty sure league will have to offer immunity and anonymity for potential players to talk.

C'mon now, a private corporation can't offer immunity from Criminal accusations, nor from a Civil lawsuit introduced by a third party...

(They could say something like : if you cooperate willingly to our investigation, your contract won't be terminated by the league, but the NHL absolutely cannot strong arm a team to not terminate a player)

How did they buy her silence? Hockey Canada immediately reported the allegations to the police as well as hired a 3rd party organization to do an investigation.

What more should Hockey Canada have done? Fight her in court rather than settle?

They couldn't have picked a possibly less neutral 3rd party.

 

[MXD]

Now, a government can subpoena witnesses, but I would imagine (not knowing Canadian Law) that the NDA would hold up unless it is a criminal proceeding (grand jury or trial).

So, I wouldn't imagine them opening up the factual basis for settlement (there are dozens of worms whose cans I did not mention) beyond where the money came from, and that information can be obtained solely from the organization.

Hockey Canada can absolutely waive the privilege and I'm pretty sure its officers (read : whichever person said that stuff) can, too, should Hockey Canada get dismantled. The Law Office that made the investigation cannot waive it.

Also, the players aren't concerned by this as far as I know, unless they were themselves part of that agreement.

 

[shaner82]

C'mon now, a private corporation can't offer immunity from Criminal accusations, nor from a Civil lawsuit introduced by a third party...

(They could say something like : if you cooperate willingly to our investigation, your contract won't be terminated by the league, but the NHL absolutely cannot strong arm a team to not terminate a player)



They couldn't have picked a possibly less neutral 3rd party.

Why were they not neutral?
What about the police? Were they not neutral? It sounds like the complainant wasn't interested in talking to anyone, including the police.

What else could Hockey Canada have done?

 

[TomppaKoo]

There was a similar case in Finland a couple of years ago with Brazilian national volleyball team. They all got sentenced 1 - 4 years in prison. I'm not familiar with the American legal system, but if that happened in Finland it does not matter if the victim is paid and makes an agreement. You cannot settle this kind of crime between the parties. In this kind of criminal situation the first day it appears in newspapers the public prosecutor would order a police investigation and after that there would be a trial and after found guilty for the deeds the boys would spend a couple of years behind bars.

 

[MXD]

Why were they not neutral?

Well, first of all, they were paid by Hockey Canada. That, from the start, makes them non neutral. A lawyer representing someone in Court (or otherwise) isn't neutral. A law office making an "investigation" isn't neutral either.

Also, who these lawyers were/are. It's an office that's basically specializing in defending claims all along the spectrum of sex violence.

There was a similar case in Finland a couple of years ago with Brazilian national volleyball team. They all got sentenced 1 - 4 years in prison. I'm not familiar with the American legal system, but if that happened in Finland it does not matter if the victim is paid and makes an agreement. You cannot settle this kind of crime between the parties. In this kind of criminal situation the first day it appears in newspapers the public prosecutor would order a police investigation and after that there would be a trial and after found guilty for the deeds the boys would spend a couple of years behind bars.

You technically can't settle a crime either, but if the lone possible witness doesn't want to testify or even speak to the police, it gets pretty dicey for the prosecution.

Also... Come on now. It's a case involving Hockey Canada. The American law is completely irrelevant

 

[Golden_Jet]

Well, first of all, they were paid by Hockey Canada. That, from the start, makes them non neutral. A lawyer representing someone in Court (or otherwise) isn't neutral. A law office making an "investigation" isn't neutral either.

Also, who these lawyers were/are. It's an office that's basically specializing in defending claims all along the spectrum of sex violence.



You technically can't settle a crime either, but if the lone possible witness doesn't want to testify or even speak to the police, it gets pretty dicey for the prosecution.

Also... Come on now. It's a case involving Hockey Canada. The American law is completely irrelevant

So your saying the lawyers need to work for free, so they appear neutral. Ya like a lawyer will do that.

 

[TomppaKoo]

Well, first of all, they were paid by Hockey Canada. That, from the start, makes them non neutral. A lawyer representing someone in Court (or otherwise) isn't neutral. A law office making an "investigation" isn't neutral either.

Also, who these lawyers were/are. It's an office that's basically specializing in defending claims all along the spectrum of sex violence.



You technically can't settle a crime either, but if the lone possible witness doesn't want to testify or even speak to the police, it gets pretty dicey for the prosecution.

Also... Come on now. It's a case involving Hockey Canada. The American law is completely irrelevant

Haha, good correction yes I meant to refer to Canadian legal system.

 

[shaner82]

There was a similar case in Finland a couple of years ago with Brazilian national volleyball team. They all got sentenced 1 - 4 years in prison. I'm not familiar with the American legal system, but if that happened in Finland it does not matter if the victim is paid and makes an agreement. You cannot settle this kind of crime between the parties. In this kind of criminal situation the first day it appears in newspapers the public prosecutor would order a police investigation and after that there would be a trial and after found guilty for the deeds the boys would spend a couple of years behind bars.

There was a police investigation. They closed it without charges, which means either they investigated and found nothing, or the complainant refused to talk/cooperate with the police so there was nothing they could even investigate. It sounds like the latter happened.

If she won't talk to the police it doesn't matter what country it happened in. The police likely don't even know the names of the boys