Canadian Government Freezing Hockey Canada Funding- (2018 Canada World Jr Team Alleged Sexual Assault)

[MXD]

Here is what we don't know... There are 2-7 Team Canada players involved. And 1-6 CHL players not on the World Jr team, likely London Knights. So if there are 8 remaining Team Canada players, it still doesn't tell us if there were 2 Team Canada Players, or 7, or somewhere in between.
If anyone on my team is involved, I want them cut immediately. They can go to the KHL, then disappear.
For Sens players, probably Batherson isn't involved. He played for Team Canada in the Worlds this year, I doubt they would pick one of the players that caused them such a problem. And he appears to be a nice salt of the earth kid, of course we don't know them, but that is the impression. Formenton is the guy I worry about, being both a Team Canada and a London Knight player. Hope it isn't him, but if it is, cut him from the Sens immediately.

I'm pretty sure the coaches, not HC, build the team, and that the coach wasn'T told something along the lines of "don't pick this guy he's a rapist".

But then again I may be wrong.

 

[Static]

HC actually paid money to the victim to try and suppress this whole event - that is evil to put it mildly. Why did agents of HC insert the agency into this situation and do that to protect a group of rapists who had just gang raped a drunk woman?

If you commit a crime will your boss show up at the crime scene with some cleaning supplies and clean up after you?

If you son commits rape while acting as part of a team sporting tournament and the organizers try to cover it up you have failed as a parent and the tournament organizers have assumed some criminal/financial liability as well

If a company held an event that supplied alcohol to underage kids who then raped someone, yes, they would be held liable.

 

[red devil]

Unfortunately, we don't see the companies that have suspended their sponsorship with HC

Here's the list that I have seen

Scotiabank
Canadian Tire
Telus
Tim Hortons
Esso
Keg
Swiss Chalet
BDO

 

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[shaner82]

Hockey Canada did nothing to investigate the accusation on their own, that was extreme negligence on their part. This wasn't a slap on the wrist type case, we are talking about a gang rape.

After they settled they did nothing, (obviously) hoping it would go away forever.

What qualifications does hockey Canada have to perform investigations? Not to mention they would then be investigating themselves and people would say that's not impartial. They hired a company to perform an investigation as well as notified the police. How is that extreme negligence?

What should they have done after settling? The complainant refuses to talk to anyone about it. She won't even disclose their identities.

This feels like dirty politics.

 

[Static]

What qualifications does hockey Canada have to perform investigations? Not to mention they would then be investigating themselves and people would say that's not impartial. They hired a company to perform an investigation as well as notified the police. How is that extreme negligence?

What should they have done after settling? The complainant refuses to talk to anyone about it. She won't even disclose their identities.

This feels like dirty politics.

You don't need qualifications to conduct an internal investigation, most hire outside firms anyway. They hired a law firm to handle the settlement, they did zero investigation on who was involved in the incident.

And you're right, it does feel like dirty politics, except for exactly the opposite reasons you're implying.

 

[Ol' Jase]

What qualifications does hockey Canada have to perform investigations? Not to mention they would then be investigating themselves and people would say that's not impartial. They hired a company to perform an investigation as well as notified the police. How is that extreme negligence?

What should they have done after settling? The complainant refuses to talk to anyone about it. She won't even disclose their identities.

This feels like dirty politics.

Tell me you’re extremely naive without telling me you’re extremely naive…

 

[Static]

 

[North Cole]

HC actually paid money to the victim to try and suppress this whole event - that is evil to put it mildly. Why did agents of HC insert the agency into this situation and do that to protect a group of rapists who had just gang raped a drunk woman?

If you commit a crime will your boss show up at the crime scene with some cleaning supplies and clean up after you?

If you son commits rape while acting as part of a team sporting tournament and the organizers try to cover it up you have failed as a parent and the tournament organizers have assumed some criminal/financial liability as well

I mean, if my employer gets sued because there's an incident caused my being wasted and driving company equipment, yeah they are going to likely settle the case and give someone a bunch of money...paying out settlements to victims doesn't make a company inherently evil. Should they just go to court and waste everyone's time fighting it, while racking up massive bills?

People were saying the Hawks were evil for not immediately settling to Beach's demands...literally doesn't seem to be a right answer, evil if you do, evil if you don't.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

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[Ninety7]

Hockey culture is pretty horrible. Especially in young teens. Most of the hockey kids when I went to high school were awful to everyone. I can’t say I’m surprised by this.

 

[NHL Dude 120]

From what I heard, there is no criminal case. Hockey Canada wanted to make this go away so they reached into their pockets. If anyone was going to pay, it should have been the players, NOT Hockey Canada.

Might be best to leave well enough alone.

Umm things aren't even close to being over.

 

[hockey20000]

My concern here is how this will impact young players & youth hockey if it drags out for a while. Hockey Canada supports so many youth leagues & teams, and I don’t want to see talented young kids having their enjoyment of the game or potential hurt by this whole scandal.

yep that's whats going to happen also.

 

[Umingmak]

yep that's whats going to happen also.

Bingo.

It’s not to take attention away from the scandal, as these allegations are very, very serious, and the truth needs to be found, but I’d hate to see innocent people, especially kids, who have nothing to do with this scandal end up suffering because of it.

The government should make sure that those groups do get the funding that would usually go to Hockey Canada if this isn’t remedied quickly.

 

[Fulham]

Hockey culture is pretty horrible. Especially in young teens. Most of the hockey kids when I went to high school were awful to everyone. I can’t say I’m surprised by this.

Nobody cares, which is sad. There is a top prospect for an upcoming draft who's midget team behaved so poorly that the HS they were at kicked them out. They also shut down its women team, as all the females left, due to the above mentioned team.

 

[hockey20000]

Nobody cares, which is sad. There is a top prospect for an upcoming draft who's midget team behaved so poorly that the HS they were at kicked them out. They also shut down its women team, as all the females left, due to the above mentioned team.

who would that be?

 

[MXD]

I mean, if my employer gets sued because there's an incident caused my being wasted and driving company equipment, yeah they are going to likely settle the case and give someone a bunch of money...paying out settlements to victims doesn't make a company inherently evil. Should they just go to court and waste everyone's time fighting it, while racking up massive bills?

People were saying the Hawks were evil for not immediately settling to Beach's demands...literally doesn't seem to be a right answer, evil if you do, evil if you don't.

You'd also lose your job in the process.

I mean, if my employer gets sued because there's an incident caused my being wasted and driving company equipment, yeah they are going to likely settle the case and give someone a bunch of money...paying out settlements to victims doesn't make a company inherently evil. Should they just go to court and waste everyone's time fighting it, while racking up massive bills?

People were saying the Hawks were evil for not immediately settling to Beach's demands...literally doesn't seem to be a right answer, evil if you do, evil if you don't.

You'd also lose your job in the process.

And hiding your identity would be considered obstruction of justice for your employer. So they'll disclose it of necessary (usually not).

 

[Quinton Byfield]

I mean, if my employer gets sued because there's an incident caused my being wasted and driving company equipment, yeah they are going to likely settle the case and give someone a bunch of money...paying out settlements to victims doesn't make a company inherently evil. Should they just go to court and waste everyone's time fighting it, while racking up massive bills?

People were saying the Hawks were evil for not immediately settling to Beach's demands...literally doesn't seem to be a right answer, evil if you do, evil if you don't.

Your analogy doesn't work because what you're describing is vicarious liability...because you are an employee of your company. This is a legal responsibility of your employer. Hockey Canada is a governing body that oversees hockey programs nationally and internationally. It is not for profit. Hockey players aren't employed by Hockey Canada.

In addition, in your scenario, while the employer is vicariously liable, the rogue employee can also still be directly liable for the same wrong, both civilly and criminally.

Hockey Canada moved to settle the sexual assault lawsuit because the incident was "unacceptable and incompatible with Hockey Canada's values and expectations" which is their right. Whether they did nearly enough to investigate the allegations and to identify the players that do not meet "Hockey Canada's values and expectations" is a morality issue. From what's been coming out, it does seem as though Hockey Canada simply does not care and wanted it to all go away. And whether Hockey Canada used public funds to pay off the sexual assault lawsuit, that's what's up for investigation.

 

[Colezuki]

You don't need qualifications to conduct an internal investigation, most hire outside firms anyway. They hired a law firm to handle the settlement, they did zero investigation on who was involved in the incident.

And you're right, it does feel like dirty politics, except for exactly the opposite reasons you're implying.

They did, people refused to participate, including the victim

 

[PostBradMalone]

Umm things aren't even close to being over.

Connected with hockey, or Hockey Canada? Because while both are terrible, those are very different things in the context of this investigation.

 

[Colezuki]

Just to provide clarity on a couple points that have been mis spoken in here

The statement goes on to say: "The person bringing the allegations forward chose not to speak with either police or with Hockey Canada's independent investigator and also chose not to identify the players involved. This was her right and we fully respect her wishes."

The statement of claim also says Hockey Canada failed to remove the players from the team and failed to notify police.

However, in its statement, Hockey Canada said it "contacted local police authorities" as soon as it became aware of the allegations and hired a law firm to conduct an internal investigation.

When asked to confirm if it received a complaint about the alleged assault, the London Police Service said it is "unable to comment on any alleged criminal investigation."

They did conduct an internal investigation, but multiple people didn't participate,

Some members of the committee took aim at Hockey Canada’s code of conduct, which does not require that players participate in such investigations. Conservative MP Kevin Waugh pushed Smith on accountability, stating that the organization should have compelled players to participate.

“You own that,” Waugh said.

“What is a code of conduct worth if you don’t (participate with an investigation) when there are alleged horrific sexual assaults?” asked NDP MP Peter Julian. “Shouldn’t that be a condition of being involved with Hockey Canada?”

Hockey Canada is in “talks with their partners” as to whether it can change its code of conduct to require players to take part in future investigations, Smith said. During the hearing, Smith also revealed that Hockey Canada has dealt with one to two sexual assault allegations per year over the past five or six years.

“Everyone at the table shares your concerns,” said Smith, in response to questions about the organization’s accountability. “I want every Canadian to know we take this seriously. We’ve said it since day one.”

Liberal MP Anthony Housefather expressed concerns that Hockey Canada hasn’t done more to discern the players involved.

Hockey Canada said it has not received a complete report from its third-party firm and said they have been advised not to make any findings from that investigation public, describing the info as “privileged."

 

[North Cole]

You'd also lose your job in the process.



You'd also lose your job in the process.

And hiding your identity would be considered obstruction of justice for your employer. So they'll disclose it of necessary (usually not).

I would, but in this case they Hockey Canada has no jurisdiction to fire them from the NHLPA.

 

[North Cole]

Your analogy doesn't work because what you're describing is vicarious liability...because you are an employee of your company. This is a legal responsibility of your employer. Hockey Canada is a governing body that oversees hockey programs nationally and internationally. It is not for profit. Hockey players aren't employed by Hockey Canada.

In addition, in your scenario, while the employer is vicariously liable, the rogue employee can also still be directly liable for the same wrong, both civilly and criminally.

Hockey Canada moved to settle the sexual assault lawsuit because the incident was "unacceptable and incompatible with Hockey Canada's values and expectations" which is their right. Whether they did nearly enough to investigate the allegations and to identify the players that do not meet "Hockey Canada's values and expectations" is a morality issue. From what's been coming out, it does seem as though Hockey Canada simply does not care and wanted it to all go away. And whether Hockey Canada used public funds to pay off the sexual assault lawsuit, that's what's up for investigation.

Why are the players not liable in this scenario? Most companies don't care and want things to go away. You lose a lot more money in PR and damages than you do paying something out, as evidenced by all the sponsors drying up. In this case they got hit with both sticks.

 

[Static]

They did, people refused to participate, including the victim

That's my mistake for misspeaking.

 

[57special]

I am hoping that others who were not involved follow Mete's example. For all that HC could've done a much better job in the aftermath, I think the main focus should be on identifying the rapists. They need to be named, and made examples of.