Can Bedard challenge for Peter Forsbergs record?

[Sweetpotato]

One of USA or the finals would have to be a blow out for him to catch Forsberg but honestly he's shattered the draft year record, if he gets close to Forsberg considering his age that's good enough.

Unfortunately for him people will be cycling through excuses for years about how he's not that good, then they'll switch to ya he's that good but can he play defense.

 

[Toby91ca]

I think what Bedard has done is already more impressive than what Forsberg did. The ultras Forsberg put up 31pts would have been the equivalent of Crosby playing in that tournament the year he dominated the NHL with 120pts…..not only that, Bedard doesn’t get to play against a team like Japan

Bedard has been outwordly and are still 10p behind forsberg.

Speaks volumes about peter the greats performance

No, not really, see my last comment, Bedard’s performance is already way better than Forsberg’s…..difference between 19 and 17 is massive.

 

[Janvonpobben]

I think what Bedard has done is already more impressive than what Forsberg did. The ultras Forsberg put up 31pts would have been the equivalent of Crosby playing in that tournament the year he dominated the NHL with 120pts…..not only that, Bedard doesn’t get to play against a team like Japan


No, not really, see my last comment, Bedard’s performance is already way better than Forsberg’s…..difference between 19 and 17 is massive.

Not really. Some players regress. Brad lambert played better in this tournament as 16 than 19

Forsberg > Bedard

 

[Kranix]

Shane Wright deserves to lead this tournament in scoring, and break Forsberg's record. Nobody can take that honor away from him

 

[Janvonpobben]

I think what Bedard has done is already more impressive than what Forsberg did. The ultras Forsberg put up 31pts would have been the equivalent of Crosby playing in that tournament the year he dominated the NHL with 120pts…..not only that, Bedard doesn’t get to play against a team like Japan


No, not really, see my last comment, Bedard’s performance is already way better than Forsberg’s…..difference between 19 and 17 is massive.

Forsberg played against canada, usa, finland, czechoslovakia, russia, germany, japan

Bedard hasnt played a single elite team yet. Yes sweden has looked awful.

We will see how he does against the americans

 

[Toby91ca]

I like how at this point if Bedard had Robert Reichel's career (i.e. a good but not great NHL player) it'd be considered one of the biggest busts ever.

Yes, but silly to compare at this point…Reichel was 18 vs Bedard at 17 and Reichel had 21pts in 7 games vs 21 pts in 5 games. Reichel lead the tournament with 21pts, number 2 had 18pts. Bedard leads with 21pts and number 2 is at 9pts….9….that’s the most staggering part of this, his domination is unprecedented.

Not really. Some players regress. Brad lambert played better in this tournament as 16 than 19

Forsberg > Bedard

I’m not about to project how good Bedard will be and suggest he might be better than Forsberg, but in my mind, his current performance is way more impressive than Forsberg’s performance in 1993. I’m sure there are lots of examples of players falling off, but that is certainly the exception. For the best players l, difference between 17 and 19 is playing in this tournament at 17 and not playing in it at 19 because you are too good for your NHL team to let you go. Forsberg as an example, wasn’t good enough to make Team Sweden at 17.

 

[Janvonpobben]

Yes, but silly to compare at this point…Reichel was 18 vs Bedard at 17 and Reichel had 21pts in 7 games vs 21 pts in 5 games. Reichel lead the tournament with 21pts, number 2 had 18pts. Bedard leads with 21pts and number 2 is at 9pts….9….that’s the most staggering part of this, his domination is unprecedented.

I’m not about to project how good Bedard will be and suggest he might be better than Forsberg, but in my mind, his current performance is way more impressive than Forsberg’s performance in 1993. I’m sure there are lots of examples of players falling off, but that is certainly the exception. For the best players l, difference between 17 and 19 is playing in this tournament at 17 and not playing in it at 19 because you are too good for your NHL team to let you go. Forsberg as an example, wasn’t good enough to make Team Sweden at 17.

The history books cares about the wjc record at 31p in 7 games. You canadians should stop downplaying it. You can never recognize another countries record

 

[Toby91ca]

The history books cares about the wjc record at 31p in 7 games. You canadians should stop downplaying it. You can never recognize another countries record

Not talking about the record…ignoring the obvious difference is silly

 

[Janvonpobben]

Not talking about the record…ignoring the obvious difference is silly

We will talk when bedard breaks it. He has 11p left.

 

[Bradely]

Are you talking about the 31 pts in the '93 tournament when Forsberg was 19 year old? And you seriously think a 17 year old Bedard has a shot at those point totals? You can forget that. No chance. Zero. Absolute zero. If he gets 12 15 pts that would be the most we can expect and best forward of the tournament territory.

hmmmmm.... how much Bédard has currently point in the World Junior? Up to now! 12, 15, 17 no.... 21 pts and still looking for the next game!

 

[daver]

The history books cares about the wjc record at 31p in 7 games. You canadians should stop downplaying it. You can never recognize another countries record

Actually Canadians view the WJC is viewed as a glorified exhibition series that is a fun break from the real hockey being played in the CHL and NHL.

 

[Gold Standard]

hmmmmm.... how much Bédard has currently point in the World Junior? Up to now! 12, 15, 17 no.... 21 pts and still looking for the next game!

He still won't break the record. but a tournament for the ages for a 17 year old. No doubt. The best performance of any player I have ever seen at any WJC tournament. And I've seen them all since 1986.

 

[Toby91ca]

We will talk when bedard breaks it. He has 11p left.

We will talk about what?

Edit: my point is that it’s not about the record here, some things aren’t created equal. Take Selanne’s rookie year for example….great year no matter what, but hard to compare a guy at 22 in his 4th year of professional hockey to other rookies at 18 coming out of junior

 

[Arhidia]

We will talk about what?

Edit: my point is that it’s not about the record here, some things aren’t created equal. Take Selanne’s rookie year for example….great year no matter what, but hard to compare a guy at 22 in his 4th year of professional hockey to other rookies at 18 coming out of junior

dont bother with him.
his bias is to strong to think otherwise.
he lost me when he said bedard would potentialy do worse at 19.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

The music was definitely better in the 80's and the 70's and the 60's.

Right now, we all have a device in our pockets that contains nearly every song you have ever heard. It's quite remarkable when you think about it

 

[GermanSpitfire]

I would have said no going into the tournament - but turns out the answer was “yes” he definitely challenged the record.

 

[Arhidia]

We will talk when bedard breaks it. He has 11p left.

he might not even catch 19 YR old Naslund point total
and dont think he cares.
im sure forsberg would prefer 0 points against japan and a gold medal

 

[Janvonpobben]

he might not even catch 19 YR old Naslund point total
and dont think he cares.
im sure forsberg would prefer 0 points against japan and a gold medal

All this talk about japan when bedard statspadded a useless germany and austria

 

[ijuka]

All this talk about japan when bedard statspadded a useless germany and austria

Japan allowed 83 goals in 7 games and Sweden won that game 20-1. You compare it to Germany and Austria? Germany's nowhere near as bad and even Austria did better, especially when you consider three teams in their group.

 

[Janvonpobben]

Japan allowed 83 goals in 7 games and Sweden won that game 20-1. You compare it to Germany and Austria? Germany's nowhere near as bad and even Austria did better, especially when you consider three teams in their group.

Yes forsberg playing canada russia, czechoslovakia, usa, finland makes it up for playing japan. Overall forsberg had tougher competition than bedard

 

[kevsh]

Bedard has been outwordly and are still 10p behind forsberg.

Speaks volumes about peter the greats performance

Sure, but it speaks even great volumes about Bedard's performance.

Peter the Great was a phenomenal player and had a memorable WJC, but as has been pointed out here he was 19 at the time and feasted on one of the worst WJC teams in history (Japan allowed 83 goals in their 7 games that year or 12 GPG. By comparison, this year's punching bag Austria allowed 35 in 4 games for 8.75 GPG).

Forsberg also benefitted from playing with another 19-year-old in Naslund.

I'd argue that all things considered, especially the age difference, so far Bedard's performance is already more impressive than Forsberg's. We still have potentially 2 games left as well.

 

[Janvonpobben]

Sure, but it speaks even great volumes about Bedard's performance.

Peter the Great was a phenomenal player and had a memorable WJC, but as has been pointed out here he was 19 at the time and feasted on one of the worst WJC teams in history (Japan allowed 83 goals in their 7 games that year or 12 GPG. By comparison, this year's punching bag Austria allowed 35 in 4 games for 8.75 GPG).

Forsberg also benefitted from playing with another 19-year-old in Naslund.

I'd argue that all things considered, especially the age difference, so far Bedard's performance is already more impressive than Forsberg's. We still have potentially 2 games left as well.

As i pointed out, orher than japan forsberg played tougher teams than bedard

 

[ZEBROA]

This is stupid. Bedard got nothing on Forsberg until he had his career, then Forsberg will probably have nothing on Bedard. Probably, but it is not a sure thing. A healthy playoff Forsberg is top 3 on my list right now. Bedard aint nowere near. But he might be nr1 in the future.

And it is stupid to compare. 93 the game was a lot tougher. Now the game is a lot faster. I think Forsberg would thrive in this era. Not so sure Bedard would in 93. Or maby he would, thats the problem we will never know.

Now leave the kid alone and let him break the record.

 

[ORRFForever]

Right now, we all have a device in our pockets that contains nearly every song you have ever heard. It's quite remarkable when you think about it

It really is. I remember when having a port CD player was cutting edge. Oy... Where have the years gone?

I think I had this very one...

 

[Toby91ca]

This is stupid. Bedard got nothing on Forsberg until he had his career, then Forsberg will probably have nothing on Bedard. Probably, but it is not a sure thing. A healthy playoff Forsberg is top 3 on my list right now. Bedard aint nowere near. But he might be nr1 in the future.

And it is stupid to compare. 93 the game was a lot tougher. Now the game is a lot faster. I think Forsberg would thrive in this era. Not so sure Bedard would in 93. Or maby he would, thats the problem we will never know.

Now leave the kid alone and let him break the record.

We aren’t, or at least I’m not talking about whether Bedard is better or will have a better career than Forsberg, I’m simply looking at what Bedard is doing as a 17 year old in this tournament vs what Forsberg did at 19….in absolute isolation.

Quick comment on whether Forsberg would thrive in a faster era, completely off topic, but I’m not so sure, he worked well in a slower, tougher game, though his body didn’t hold up. Speed was not one of his strengths