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Proposal: Calgary - Los Angeles: Dustin Wolf for Quinton Byfield

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Current Value and Long Term Outlook

  • Current Value favors Flames, Flames win long term

    Votes: 284 84.0%

  • Current Value favors Kings, Flames win long term

    Votes: 14 4.1%

  • Current Value favors Flames, Kings win long term

    Votes: 20 5.9%

  • Current Value favors Kings, Kings win long term

    Votes: 20 5.9%
  • Total voters
    338
nbwingsfan said:
As already stated, Calgary fans used to talk about Rittich and Gillies as untouchable goalie prospects.

Peter Mrazek dominated junior, WJC and led his team to a Calder Cup in the NHL and ended up a meh backup/1B goalie.


You’re not making the point you think you are


How have those “elite later round picks” helped Calgary in lengthy Cup runs?
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Ironic considering you literally posted 500+ times about how Flames fans were overhyping Gaudreau and that he would lucky to have the career of Nathan Gerbe.

You came and mocked us after Wolf’s 0-2 start this season. He’s 7-0 since. Had the best WHL career ever. Won AHL goalie of the year at 20. And we’re over hyping him? Okay Gerbe baby
 
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I think the Flames need to keep Wolf

Their current 6M guy has to wear Depend diapers every time he faces McDrai
 
Tkachuk Norris said:
Ironic considering you literally posted 500+ times about how Flames fans were overhyping Gaudreau and that he would lucky to have the career of Nathan Gerbe.

You came and mocked us after Wolf’s 0-2 start this season. He’s 7-0 since. Had the best WHL career ever. Won AHL goalie of the year at 20. And we’re over hyping him? Okay Gerbe baby
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Ive never mocked Wolf a day in my life 😂

Did you or did you not hype of Rittich and Gillies as the goalies of the future? How did that turn out again?
 
I'd send LA's first round pick for Wolf. I was desperately hoping the Kings would pick him from the third round onward in 2019 and he just kept falling. They picked Parik in the third instead and recently let him go for nothing. Just an abject failure from every team except Calgary to let this guy slip through the cracks, but especially LA since he reminds me a lot of Quick.

Kings obviously aren't trading Byfield for a goalie, but LA's first some other stuff would be fine by me.
 
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It’s a big year for Byfield and the Kings need to just leave him alone to play the rest of the year in Ontario. Let him develop playing C… if by the end of this year, it’s apparent he’ll never play C in the NHL, then you think about moving him or accepting his best chance is on the wing.

Let him develop. Big Cs take longer and he needs time playing Top 6 minutes as a pro to develop. That will only happen in the AHL.
 
All I can say about Wolf for Byfield is
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nbwingsfan said:
That aggressively happened, you must not of really been around because these were the “future starters” and untouchable by so many flames fans
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There was some of that around Gillies - when he was in college. Unlike Wolf, he was never good in the AHL and the hype around him died pretty quickly.

Absolutely no one considered Rittich a potential star NHL starter.
 
kilowatt said:
I'd send LA's first round pick for Wolf. I was desperately hoping the Kings would pick him from the third round onward in 2019 and he just kept falling. They picked Parik in the third instead and recently let him go for nothing. Just an abject failure from every team except Calgary to let this guy slip through the cracks, but especially LA since he reminds me a lot of Quick.

Kings obviously aren't trading Byfield for a goalie, but LA's first some other stuff would be fine by me.
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Yeah, far be it for me to defend Flames fans lately as they have been motherf***ing us a lot lately for some weird reason, but I think they're spot on about Wolf. I'd give up a lot for him but even if people ARENT high on Byfield they have to at least see that even if they believe it's extremely unlikely for him to reach his ceiling, the lottery-ticket aspect of it is a need. Kings are flush with quantity, they could probably put together 4-5 NHL 2nd/3rd lines right now, the problem is and has been the blue chip offensive talent.

But other stuff? I'd do a 1st and anything beyond Byfield/Clarke/Turcotte (And I know quite a few will be fine w/turcotte). 1st and Chromiak? prob not enough for Flames fans and while I don't hold Wolf quite as high as like Wallsteadt I think he's one of those 'untouchable' goalie prospects.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Yeah, and to speak fairly to a good faith convo instead of the OP's clearly nasty bad-faith one

Byfield is different than most forward prospects because of the range of possibilities at this point

Wolf is different than most goalie prospects I think, there are a clear tier of G guys like him that are a lot more 'certain' than others, but even then--goalies are voodoo

Tough to give 'full' value in a trade for either one at this point, but at the same time, regardless of draft position, Kings would be crazy to give up 'projected 1C' value for 'projected 1G' value if history is any remote precedent. One has to be insanely high on Wolf and insanely over Byfield to do so--and while that viewpoint almost certainly exists (particularly on this forum for...reasons) it's also clearly a minority opinion (results of this poll overwhelmingly 85% saying so).

This is probably a terrible comparison but it reminds me of last year's trade threads of Turcotte for Nils Lundqvist...it's tough to see a scenario where BOTH teams 'win' when both guys are still establishing.
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IMO Turcotte never remotely close to Nils L

The closest analogy IMO is from baseball, except that one is in actual and this one is based on potential: do you deal Joe DiMaggio for Ted Williams?
Not exactly the same, but an all around star for one of the best lefty sluggers ever; that parallels with a C skater to a G specialist.

Kakko Schmakko said:
How about Kakko for Byfield? both could use a change of scenery.
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No
Kakko is a funny way to spell Kravtsov +, btw
 
nbwingsfan said:
That aggressively happened, you must not of really been around because these were the “future starters” and untouchable by so many flames fans
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Lol you would have trouble finding more than one person thinking Rittich was untouchable and future starter. We were all happy he made it at all

Giles was temporarily hyped after one good season in college but that died quickly
 
Nucklehead Supreme said:
Only from people like you who don't seem to understand development, like at all.
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Some time development never come

What make Byfield different than the many busts before him like Cody Glass, Lias Andersson, Hayton ….etc

I am not saying he is or he is not. Just not seeing sign of a 1C so far
 
This thread will be so fun to look back on in a few years. So funny to see fans not knowing who Wolf is and using his draft status as a reason this would be lopsided. This trade would never happen because giving up either prospect could be the end of either GM's career, just way too high-risk.

But my prediction: Byfield turns into a solid but not elite 2C, great speed and sometimes dynamic but also somewhat inconsistent and decent but nothing special defensively. Upside still there to become a first-line player but unlikely.

Wolf turns into a quality young 1B option similar to Spencer Knight or Carter Hart, with upside to become a full-time elite starter. He almost for sure won't reach the levels of the truly elite goalies (Shesterkyn / Vasilevski), but he projects to eventually be in that second/ third tier with the Husso's and the Saros' and Sorokin.

If both of those projections come true, this is a pretty even trade, probably even favouring the Kings given how few of those 2nd/3rd tier goalies are out there.

But those saying it's a joke just don't know Wolf, even though I still get why LA wouldn't do it because the risk is too high to give up a big two-way C with speed like Byfield. But as a betting man I wouldn't say Byfield ever reaches that potential. I saw someone else say look at a guy like Dach to see how Byfield could develop; If Byfield becomes another Dach and Wolf continues on his current trajectory this is a fair trade. My gut says Wolf>Byfield long-term, but only time will tell
 
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nbwingsfan said:
Ive never mocked Wolf a day in my life 😂

Did you or did you not hype of Rittich and Gillies as the goalies of the future? How did that turn out again?
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No one every hyped Rittich. He was like 24 when we signed him as a free agent. He was never seen as a future star by anyone in the fanbase.

Gillies was hyped out of college but had no success at the AHL level.
 
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bernmeister said:
IMO Turcotte never remotely close to Nils L
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Buddy you can say that till you're blue in the face but that thread was proposed by rangers fans more than a handful of times last year and you were aggressively involved in each one

The idea is the same, high value + high risk but different positions, it's very hard for a GM to come out on top of that trade unless both boom AND solve each teams needs. Similar idea here.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Buddy you can say that till you're blue in the face but that thread was proposed by rangers fans more than a handful of times last year and you were aggressively involved in each one

The idea is the same, high value + high risk but different positions, it's very hard for a GM to come out on top of that trade unless both boom AND solve each teams needs. Similar idea here.
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Hey, pal o mino, pal o mineo
I call em like I see em

Some on our board wanted to give Nils away
Some thought/still think Jones is better.

Turcotte has potential, which is fine, but so far, I dont see star upside from him which WE ARE ALL NOW ACTUALLLY starting to see from Nils.
 
bernmeister said:
Hey, pal o mino, pal o mineo
I call em like I see em

Some on our board wanted to give Nils away
Some thought/still think Jones is better.

Turcotte has potential, which is fine, but so far, I dont see star upside from him which WE ARE ALL NOW ACTUALLLY starting to see from Nils.
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It sounds like you're agreeing with me, not disagreeing. Just talking about different points in time--I'm talking pre-trade, you're talking the manifestation of the post-trade.
 
bernmeister said:
IMO Turcotte never remotely close to Nils L

The closest analogy IMO is from baseball, except that one is in actual and this one is based on potential: do you deal Joe DiMaggio for Ted Williams?
Not exactly the same, but an all around star for one of the best lefty sluggers ever; that parallels with a C skater to a G specialist.


No
Kakko is a funny way to spell Kravtsov +, btw
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I don't mind trading Kravtsov too, but they are more likely to take Kakko straight up.
 
DFF said:
Some time development never come

What make Byfield different than the many busts before him like Cody Glass, Lias Andersson, Hayton ….etc

I am not saying he is or he is not. Just not seeing sign of a 1C so far
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Development isn't linear, especially for bigger players, especially for centres, shall I go on?
 
The Flames haven’t developed a successful NHL starter since Mike Vernon - who they drafted in 1981. It would be insane for them to give up on Wolf.

They also have Sergeev and Chechelev who both look ok. One of them has to work out. I hope…
 
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