Proposal: Calgary - Los Angeles: Dustin Wolf for Quinton Byfield

[King'sPawn]

This thread makes me want to say some very mean things to the OP, and I don't like the restraint I have to show in my response.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Wolf is a former 7th round pick for a reason. Undersized and now overhyped.

Why do you think Wolf is overhyped?
No one hypes up 7th round picks.
If you think he is overhyped it must be based on results. Then in that case, the hype is justified.
Wolf was the best goalie in juniors. Best goalie in AHL last season.
He is ready to test himself in NHL but stuck behind Markstrom and Vladar. It makes sense for teams needing a young goalie to target him in trade proposals.

 

[madmike77]

Goalie prospects really don’t have a ton of value. They need to prove themselves in the NHL to have real trade potential. Of course if they do that, then you really don’t want to trade them.

Plus the way Markstrom has played so far this year I’d rather keep Wolf around just in case…

 

[KingTech]

no ty i would rather to be patient with Bayfield and see what he develops into

 

[flyerslducks]

Goalie prospects really don’t have a ton of value. They need to prove themselves in the NHL to have real trade potential. Of course if they do that, then you really don’t want to trade them.

Plus the way Markstrom has played so far this year I’d rather keep Wolf around just in case…

Ya the last goalie prospect I remember being traded was Levi and he is also good. It was a 1st, Levi for reinhart

 

[Tanknation]

Getting outscored and outproduced at the NHL level by some dude named Chinakov nobody had ever heard of as the #2 overall pick

Getting outproduced and outscored at the AHL level by a 7th rounder named Ben McCartney as the #2 overall pick

Here's a list of 1st round forwards taken in 2020 that have outproduced Byfield's pace at the NHL or AHL level:

Alex Lafreniere
Tim Stutzle
Lucas Raymond
Alexander Holtz
Jack Quinn
Marco Rossi
Cole Perfetti
Anton Lundell
Seth Jarvis
Dylan Holloway
Lucas Reichel
Dawson Mercer
Yegor Chinakov
Hendrix Lapierre
Jacob Perreault
Brendan Brisson

So basically all of them but a couple


Poke fun if you want. Only casuals get attached and fixated on where a player is drafted. Of these blue chip prospects one has done nothing but sharply trend up and the other has done nothing but sharply trend down since draft day. I don't really know what exactly their value is in NHL circles and neither does anyone else unless they get traded. To say their value isn't even comparable though? Really screams ignorance.

The facts are that one is a top 3 prospect in the world at their position, and the other is Quinton Byfield.

I don't like Byfield and been saying that for long time. But this trade is still woof.

 

[kilowatt]

I'm a big fan of Wolf and would trade a pretty good player for him, but come on, Byfield's not available, and especially not for that.

 

[Kingspiracy]

If Byfield's actually available I'd give up a hell of a lot to get him on the Jackets. Fits the rebuild timeline and positional needs.

I dont think he is.

I dont understand all these recent proposals for him. We are hardly going to bail this quickly on a kid with that potential, especially considering the bust ankle and covid.

Perhaps if he hasnt progressed in two or three years we'll cut bait

 

[Kalv]

As a Ducks fan, please make it happen. Ideally and if at all possible, find another horrible trade that sends QB out of the Pacific tho

 

[Fjordy]

Goalies prospects are not of such value to get Byfield, even a good prospect like Wolf.

 

[bernmeister]

Wolf is going to be a top 5 goalie. He’s elite. I can’t say what Byfield is gonna be but people that are calling this the ‘worst proposal ever’ are clueless.

I agree goalies are voodoo but this kid is special. He’s every bit the prospect Adam Fox and Johnny Gaudreau were (and I was the guy getting laughed at in the top 50 prospect threads for super-hyping Fox abd Gaudreau-which I’ve never done for any other prospect) He’s just special. Nuff said.

The kid almost set a shutout record in the WHL, despite not playing his 20 year old season. Despite being backup to Carter Hart in his first year. Despite playing through 2 covid shortened seasons. Abd yet he still almost set that record then he goes and wins AHL goalie of the year, and he should have won MVP of the whole league at 20.

hard to predict the future but as to the part of the equation that projects Wolf, he looks like the real deal....

 

[bernmeister]

... As to the part of the equation that projects Byfield,
he looks paradoxically like
-- he has more potential to only be solid but not star compared to Wolf (= elite ceiling)
-- but if he does tap into his full star potential, he could also be the real deal, if so an elite level pivot is not an unreasonable projection. {A big bet tho}

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

... As to the part of the equation that projects Byfield,
he looks paradoxically like
-- he has more potential to only be solid but not star compared to Wolf (= elite ceiling)
-- but if he does tap into his full star potential, he could also be the real deal, if so an elite level pivot is not an unreasonable projection. {A big bet tho}

I read this like a Magic card

When you cast Quinton Byfield choose 1:
-- Quiton Byfield enters the hockey arena with a Solid NHL Player counter on him (gets +1/+1 for each years he is on the field)
-- Quiton Byfield enters the hockey arena with a Full Potential counter on him (gets +5/+5, pay 5 life at the beginning of each year)

 

[habsfan44]

Purely hypothetical, which of these prospects has more value at the moment and which team would win this trade in the long run?



Wolf is one of the top goaltending prospects in the world with a pretty ridiculous resume for a 21 year old

• 2021-22 AHL goaltender of the year
• 2021-22 AHL first-team all-star
• 2021-22 AHL all-rookie team
• 2021 IIHF World Junior Championship gold medallist
• 2020-21 WHL goaltender of the year
• 2019-20 CHL goaltender of the year
• 2019-20 WHL goaltender of the year
• 2019-20 USA Hockey top junior goaltender
• 2018-19 CHL scholastic player of the year
• 2018-19 WHL scholastic player of the year

Byfield is the 2020 #2 overall pick with an impressive junior resume himself, but hasn't had a lot of traction as a pro so far. Still a lot of potential for the 20 year old C with a big frame and explosive skating.

• • 2018-2019 CHL Rookie of the Year
  • 2018-2019 OHL First All-Rookie Team
  • 2018-2019 OHL Rookie of the Year (Emms Family Award)
• • 2019-2020 CHL Top Prospects Game
  • 2019-2020 Hlinka Gretzky Cup Silver Medal
  • 2019-2020 OHL Third All-Star Team
  • 2019-2020 U20 WJC Gold Medal
    2020-2021 U20 WJC Silver Medal
    
    
    Kings seem to be a little light on good goalie prospects and the Flames don't have much in the way of top 6 potential centers. The old adage of young goalies being voodoo certainly comes into play here but Wolf has been very impressive in every league he's played in so far, and is a California native. Don't see the value at the present time being heavily favored either way but maybe you see it different.

Based on what? They are the same age. Wolf was the best player in the AHL. Byfield hasn't had a top notch season since he was 17. Wolf has performed MUCH better. It's really not remotely close. It's like comparing Crosby to an average forward in terms of actual performance. Yakupov was taken at #1. Byfield is much the same.

That's just your opinion , the reality is potential number one centers will always hold more value than potential number one goalies until proven otherwise at the NHL level , junior league and minor League records hold little to no sway in these evaluations . It's a quick but polite no from me and I would anticipate and expect the same reply from the Kings management team .

 

[Ainsy01]

Wolf is awesome but goalies are goalies, especially prospects. He has some value but would need to a be an add-on to get it over the line type thing.

Would have to include Zary or Coronato to pull Byfield from LA.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

... As to the part of the equation that projects Byfield,
he looks paradoxically like
-- he has more potential to only be solid but not star compared to Wolf (= elite ceiling)
-- but if he does tap into his full star potential, he could also be the real deal, if so an elite level pivot is not an unreasonable projection. {A big bet tho}

Yeah, and to speak fairly to a good faith convo instead of the OP's clearly nasty bad-faith one

Byfield is different than most forward prospects because of the range of possibilities at this point

Wolf is different than most goalie prospects I think, there are a clear tier of G guys like him that are a lot more 'certain' than others, but even then--goalies are voodoo

Tough to give 'full' value in a trade for either one at this point, but at the same time, regardless of draft position, Kings would be crazy to give up 'projected 1C' value for 'projected 1G' value if history is any remote precedent. One has to be insanely high on Wolf and insanely over Byfield to do so--and while that viewpoint almost certainly exists (particularly on this forum for...reasons) it's also clearly a minority opinion (results of this poll overwhelmingly 85% saying so).

This is probably a terrible comparison but it reminds me of last year's trade threads of Turcotte for Nils Lundqvist...it's tough to see a scenario where BOTH teams 'win' when both guys are still establishing.

 

[KingsHockey24]

I'll counter with Zadorov for Walker + Thomas/Madden

 

[Mobiandi]

I wouldn't do this trade because I am starting to believe that we may be looking to get out of the Markstrom contract soon and Vladar-Wolf may be our tandem as early as next season

Plus, Byfield is terrible. He is treading water in the AHL so at this point, you can forget about his #2 pick status

 

[YP44]

Why do you think Wolf is overhyped?
No one hypes up 7th round picks.
If you think he is overhyped it must be based on results. Then in that case, the hype is justified.
Wolf was the best goalie in juniors. Best goalie in AHL last season.
He is ready to test himself in NHL but stuck behind Markstrom and Vladar. It makes sense for teams needing a young goalie to target him in trade proposals.

I agree with everything here but do not agree that QB should be who LA offers up for him.
Come the off season if the flames have not addressed their top 6 wing a deal with Arvidsson makes a lot more sense IMO.

I wouldn't do this trade because I am starting to believe that we may be looking to get out of the Markstrom contract soon and Vladar-Wolf may be our tandem as early as next season

Plus, Byfield is terrible. He is treading water in the AHL so at this point, you can forget about his #2 pick status

how is he treading water in the AHL. He had a decent start to the year in the NHL than missed a bunch of games due to illness and just recently has been sent down for what largely is a conditioning stint (however since waivers are not needed they do not call it that)

 

[Kakko Schmakko]

How about Kakko for Byfield? both could use a change of scenery.

 

[DingerMcSlapshot]

That's just your opinion , the reality is potential number one centers will always hold more value than potential number one goalies until proven otherwise at the NHL level , junior league and minor League records hold little to no sway in these evaluations . It's a quick but polite no from me and I would anticipate and expect the same reply from the Kings management team .

Byfield is never going a #1C. There's questions if he is even a full time NHLer.

 

[madmike77]

Value aside, the Flames can’t afford to make this deal.

They‘re in win-now mode and Wolf is their best insurance policy if Markstrom continues to suck.

 

[habsfan44]

Byfield is never going a #1C. There's questions if he is even a full time NHLer.

I can't see the future as clearly as you so I hope you don't mind if I take a wait and see attitude while I take your opinion with a grain of salt .

 

[nbwingsfan]

Wolf is going to be a top 5 goalie. He’s elite. I can’t say what Byfield is gonna be but people that are calling this the ‘worst proposal ever’ are clueless.

I agree goalies are voodoo but this kid is special. He’s every bit the prospect Adam Fox and Johnny Gaudreau were (and I was the guy getting laughed at in the top 50 prospect threads for super-hyping Fox abd Gaudreau-which I’ve never done for any other prospect) He’s just special. Nuff said.

The kid almost set a shutout record in the WHL, despite not playing his 20 year old season. Despite being backup to Carter Hart in his first year. Despite playing through 2 covid shortened seasons. Abd yet he still almost set that record then he goes and wins AHL goalie of the year, and he should have won MVP of the whole league at 20.

You guys said the same things about Rittich and Gillies… how did that turn out for you?

Goalies are voodoo, even if they were picked in early in a draft, Nevermind a 7th rd pick

 

[nbwingsfan]

Based on what? They are the same age. Wolf was the best player in the AHL. Byfield hasn't had a top notch season since he was 17. Wolf has performed MUCH better. It's really not remotely close. It's like comparing Crosby to an average forward in terms of actual performance. Yakupov was taken at #1. Byfield is much the same.

As already stated, Calgary fans used to talk about Rittich and Gillies as untouchable goalie prospects.

Peter Mrazek dominated junior, WJC and led his team to a Calder Cup in the NHL and ended up a meh backup/1B goalie.


You’re not making the point you think you are

Calgary’s elite later round picks + butt hurt fans from other teams.

Name a better combo

How have those “elite later round picks” helped Calgary in lengthy Cup runs?