You have no idea what his TOI is. The eTOI is generated exclusively by goals scored when the player is on the ice. If Bennett was on the ice for 2 minutes a game and the goals happened to be scored in those 2 minutes, his eTOI would be the same as if he played for 40 minutes. All that stat tells you is that a disporportionate number of goals are scored when he is on the ice.
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You have no idea what his TOI is. The eTOI is generated exclusively by goals scored when the player is on the ice. If Bennett was on the ice for 2 minutes a game and the goals happened to be scored in those 2 minutes, his eTOI would be the same as if he played for 40 minutes. All that stat tells you is that a disporportionate number of goals are scored when he is on the ice.
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I watched 3 games of the 11 games he played and his ice-time wasn't no where close to 35 minutes. Probably closer to 22-25 minutes. Just let the Oiler fans have their fun. They haven't had any fun in a very long time.
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Yes because there's no possible way that Draisaitl will be a good player for us and Sam will be a good player for Calgary, it has to be one or the other. Also it's amazing how people are trying to say that Edmonton screwed up, well then what about Buffalo if Bennett is sooooo good? Draisaitl outscored Reinhart this year in terms of ppg, why does Buffalo and Reinhart get a free pass? It is entirely possible that the top 4 players in this draft will be good ones and solid building blocks for their teams.
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Estimated stats aren't worth the balls off a dead cat IMO. 35 minutes would be a lot for any CHL forward that does not play for the London Knights!
(speaking of years past viewings of London not a shot at Marner)
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Estimated stats aren't worth the balls off a dead cat IMO. 35 minutes would be a lot for any CHL forward that does not play for the London Knights!
Someone on the Knights averaged 30+ minutes a game as a forward? Who would that be? That's insane.
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I'm not sure about averaged, but I wouldn't doubt that Schremp, Bolland, Perry, Kane, Gagner, etc. had a number of 30 minute + games while playing for Hunter.
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Kelowna has 60 more goals than Kooteny this season and over 100 more than Kingston. Gotta factor in the teams these guys play on.
Plus Reinhart is considered a very strong two-way player (not that Draisaitl is a bad two-way player, but he's not at Reinhart's level either) and was dominant at the WJCs.
Not to mention Bennett was widely considered a better prospect than Draisaitl at the draft, with Bennett ranked higher in all 13 rankings from this page for example (includes McKenzie, ISS, CS, THN, McKeen, etc). So Edmonton is the team that "passed" on the consensus higher rated prospect.
http://www.mynhldraft.com/2014-nhl-draft-prospect-rankings/
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Non-oilers fan here saying that people need to stop giving the oilers so much **** for picking Draisaitl. Coming from a guy who likes Bennett more, I think Draisaitl will be right up there with Bennett and wouldn't be surprised if he becomes better. There's no way to tell this early in their careers but everyone is so quick to talk about how underwhelming Draisaitl due to his poor rookie season. If you watch this kid play he has ridiculous vision and makes unreal passes. He protects the puck well and his skating is better than people give him credit for (I think it's better than Dylan Strome's). All this oilers hate is getting so annoying.
So what if the oilers picked a guy that wasn't the consensus BPA? That happens all the time. Just a quick example and no intent to rag on Vancouver fans or say he's a bust but ISS had Baertschi ranked at 7 in the 2011 NHL draft over guys like Strome or Scheifele. Does that mean NYI or Winnipeg made a stupid decision choosing those guys over him? Cause they seem to have found more success although I'm still hoping Baertschi can find success as well. Just cause a team doesn't pick the consensus BPA doesn't make it a bad pick at all
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You also have to look at who Bennett played against. In the 11 games he played only against Oshawa and Barrie did he play teams that were not pretty bad to very bad defensively. Really only Oshawa is a top end defensive team. He also played most of his games with guys like Crouse and Spencer Watson. Draisaitl in contrast has had primarily low scoring wingers outside of the Blades pp.
The difference between the top 4 last year was very small. Probably only Ekblad separated himself from the pack a little. And while Bennett was often ranked higher than Draisaitl pretty much every credible mock draft had the Oilers picking Draisaitl.
His game complements RNH's better than Bennett's.
In reality it is way too early to tell how the Reinhart-Bennett-Drasiaitl trio will turn out. Right now though I am perfectly happy with Draisaitl.
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Both my index fingers still have bruises on them from crossing my fingers so hard that MacT would let him fall. what luck he had an injured shoulder and couldn't do a pull up. Edmonton took it hook,line and sinker.
But don't feel bad edmonton, buffalo screwed up as well.
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I understand your frustration with people constantly jockeying Draisaitl/Bennett, and I don't necessarily think Reinhart is infallible. But the difference between Kelowna and Kootenay in terms of pure talent is staggering. You're effectively comparing the Blackhawks to the Wild. Can't really expect much more out of Reinhart when he is on an island.
Yeah true but that's because MacTavish has the poker face of a 5 year old. Everyone and their dog knew who the Oilers were picking for months in advance. They were already calling him Oiler property during the World Championships.
Not really sure I buy that when comparing one centre who won't play with another centre, there's some sort of connection about how well they complement each other. I think at the end of the day you just want the 2 best centres possible.
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Agreed. Especially with that 2nd paragraph. Picking Draisaitl was IMO essentially 100% driven by wanting a guy with size, when that's not even the major issue in Edmonton.
The problem IMO is that Edmonton's young forwards don't necessarily struggle due to size, they struggle due to largely being one-dimensional, not having a veteran presence (neither Bennett nor Draisaitl address this), and not having a good blueline to support them. Bennett isn't one-dimensional, he's a very hard working cerebral gritty two-way centre.
And at 6'0 180lbs, he could easily grow into becoming a 6'0 195-200lb centre. Which is similar in size to Datsyuk (was in Western conference most of his career), Duchene, Seguin, MacKinnon, etc. We're not talking about a guy who was projected to become 5'10 170lbs.
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Both my index fingers still have bruises on them from crossing my fingers so hard that MacT would let him fall. what luck he had an injured shoulder and couldn't do a pull up. Edmonton took it hook,line and sinker.
But don't feel bad edmonton, buffalo screwed up as well.
No they didn't Buffalo chose a great prospect, love Reinharts game.
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LD lit it up on Prince Albert last year. The excuse was " oh he's the go to guy tho, he doesn't have to worry about defence"
Now that he's in Kelowna (separated from their top line might I add). "Oh he's on a powerhouse, he should be scoring"
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I think most people knew that Bennet is the slightly better player but it would have been stupid for Edmonton to pass up Draisaitl's combination of size/skill due to the number of small, skilled forwards already on the roster. The biggest negative on not drafting Bennet was knowing that a division rival had the next pick and would be more then happy to draft him.
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Yeah, you are right about that, and Draisaitl is a top flight, A grade prospect. You generally expect someone who is amongst the top-5 players in their age group internationally to be dominant at the junior level. I have no excuses, contempt, or anything otherwise to retract from LD's production. I'm a lifelong Rockets fan so you also don't really have to tell me where he is playing. Unless you are from Kelowna I'm entirely confident I have seen more of him as of late than yourself.
Nonetheless, you've completely and totally missed my point. Draisaitl's production is impressive, and has been impressive, wherever he has been. But arguing that his PPG, with respect to Reinhart's, is indicative of his being a superior prospect to Sam Reinhart is simply not accurate. There are other arguments that could be made to indicate that Draisaitl is a superior prospect, but PPG is simply not one of them. I expect the player on the team with the superior offensive personnel to do better than the player on the team that is barely above water with respect to goal differentials. That is exactly what is happening here and it is not indicative of any larger trend.
Hopefully that helps you understand a little better. And I think I've said enough about players not named Sam Bennett so I will stop here.
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Might be Flames fudging his stats but last I checked he was measuring 6'1"
link: http://flames.nhl.com/club/player.htm?id=8477935
And from what I remember, listening to Conroy interviews and talk around the draft, if Bennett was gone we would have gone with Ritchie.
Well, I'll say this: CGY scouts were in a no lose situation with their 1st pick.
Whoever fell to 4 was going to be a good pick. No pressure, no splitting hairs on a 18 yo kid. Nobody will know the right pick until a few years from now, but I really feel good about Bennett and I think thing worked out fortuitously for CGY. That said, 9 months ago I would have been happy with any of the top 4, and still would be.
Whoever fell to 4 was going to be a good pick. No pressure, no splitting hairs on a 18 yo kid. Nobody will know the right pick until a few years from now, but I really feel good about Bennett and I think thing worked out fortuitously for CGY. That said, 9 months ago I would have been happy with any of the top 4, and still would be.
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lol I was referring to LD vs Bennett, but your point still stands. Im from out west and know how abysmal the Ice were until reinhart showed up this year. I think Reinhart is the best forward prospect from 2014, hence his draft position. It seems like LD can't win on here. He produced on a weak team last year, struggled in the NHL, was called a bust, plays very well back in junior this year. He's the only guy out of Reinhart/Bennett who often gets ranked out of people top 10 prospects from this draft when in reality he's been going stride for stride with these 2 for over a year now.
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I understand Edmonton wanting the bigger player in Draisaitl but this myth that Bennett is 'small' needs to die. Seriously, nothing small about him.
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