C/LW Cole Perfetti - Saginaw Spirit, OHL (2020, 10th, WPG)

[dickiedunnwrotethis]

They are not in the same sphere in regards to IQ, playmaking and creativity. Jarvis is known for his relentless motor and determination more so than his pure skill, which is Perfetti's bread and butter.

Higher skill and hockey sense - sure. Not in the same sphere, that's hyperbole. Jarvis has drive and skating over Perfetti. More importantly, he displays high level play-making and creativity at top pace. Those are transferable skills as the NHL is played today. Perfetti, on the other hand, is an average skater with an average build who plays a slow game. That style of game can work for a Joe Thornton who is 6'4" and 220 lbs. Much harder for someone like Perfetti. Which isn't to say that he can't - or won't - excel in the NHL, just that there are risks to be factored in.

 

[FlyguyOX]

Higher skill and hockey sense - sure. Not in the same sphere, that's hyperbole. Jarvis has drive and skating over Perfetti. More importantly, he displays high level play-making and creativity at top pace. Those are transferable skills as the NHL is played today. Perfetti, on the other hand, is an average skater with an average build who plays a slow game. That style of game can work for a Joe Thornton who is 6'4" and 220 lbs. Much harder for someone like Perfetti. Which isn't to say that he can't - or won't - excel in the NHL, just that there are risks to be factored in.

Exactly. I feel more comfortable with Jarvis because he can make skilled plays at a fast pace

 

[simonedvinsson]

Exactly. I feel more comfortable with Jarvis because he can make skilled plays at a fast pace

Yup. Perfetti is top 6 or bust. Even if he doesn’t cut the top 6, Jarvis would make a good checking line player in a Darren Helm sort of mold.

 

[ShanahanMan]

Yup. Perfetti is top 6 or bust. Even if he doesn’t cut the top 6, Jarvis would make a good checking line player in a Darren Helm sort of mold.

But as a 1st round pick......?

 

[simonedvinsson]

But as a 1st round pick......?

Not his ceiling - his floor. Jarvis is a safer pick than Perfetti. His playing style translates better. As the previous poster noted. I added that their relative busts are different. If Jarvis busts, he is still an NHLer probably. If Perfetti busts, I don’t think he is.

 

[Daneurism]

Whatever the criticisms of Perfetti, have at it. Talking about his INTENSITY though lol...My god. That's the wrong trail of bread crumbs to follow.

 

[Dominance]

Whatever the criticisms of Perfetti, have at it. Talking about his INTENSITY though lol...My god. That's the wrong trail of bread crumbs to follow.

95% of people on here gain some vague understanding of the player - even just size - and immediately start spurting opinions. Then it just snowballs. It’s insane.

This is how we ended up with the vast majority of this board thinking Kirby Dach had skating issues at the time of last year’s draft.

Just today I saw a poster try to throw Byfield into a category with Getzlaf and Thornton, and then say that kind of big centre doesn’t succeed anymore in the modern NHL.

 

[BondraTime]

I hope lots of teams GM’s take guys like Jarvis ahead of Perfetti so he can slide to the Sens 3rd 1st.

Unfortunately, I don’t think the GMs are going to see things that way.

 

[Baaaaaaaaaaaaah]

Perfetti a great kid. I don't think skating will be his bust risk...he is one of those rare players that slows the game to his own speed. Physical/size is the obvious risk to me, and whether he will be safe on his neutral zone possessions that make him so effective in junior. I think his IQ will probably help him overcome everything.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Gives me Yakupov vibes. Has the skill but the problem is the sizing.

 

[DatDude44]

Gives me Yakupov vibes. Has the skill but the problem is the sizing.

Yakupov was dumb and didn't create for teammates and relied on speed....completely different types of players imo....

I get a sam reinhart vibe.... which isn't horrible but a little underwhelming given what he's perceived to possibly become by the masses.

 

[BondraTime]

Gives me Yakupov vibes. Has the skill but the problem is the sizing.

Yakupov had fantastic skating, but had rocks in his head.

Perfetti has average skating, but gold in his head.

Perfetti thinks the game better than everyone not named Lafreniere, and even then Perfetti may have the best hockey sense in the draft.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Yup. Perfetti is top 6 or bust. Even if he doesn’t cut the top 6, Jarvis would make a good checking line player in a Darren Helm sort of mold.

If I'm drafting in the top 10 and I end up with Darren Helm, I've failed just as much as if I drafted a guy who tops out as an AHL scorer.

 

[Nocashstyle]

If I'm drafting in the top 10 and I end up with Darren Helm, I've failed just as much as if I drafted a guy who tops out as an AHL scorer.

 

[majormajor]

Not his ceiling - his floor. Jarvis is a safer pick than Perfetti. His playing style translates better. As the previous poster noted. I added that their relative busts are different. If Jarvis busts, he is still an NHLer probably. If Perfetti busts, I don’t think he is.

I tend to think that Perfetti will be an awesome powerplay specialist at the very least, something like Kyle Wellwood.

 

[Tatar Shots]

I hope lots of teams GM’s take guys like Jarvis ahead of Perfetti so he can slide to the Sens 3rd 1st.

Unfortunately, I don’t think the GMs are going to see things that way.

Rumor has it he may not be available for the Sens 2nd 1st.

 

[BondraTime]

Rumor has it he may not be available for the Sens 2nd 1st.

I know, I was just joking around hoping that GM's viewed things the way some here do

 

[simonedvinsson]

If I'm drafting in the top 10 and I end up with Darren Helm, I've failed just as much as if I drafted a guy who tops out as an AHL scorer.

Darren Helm was a pretty great third liner for a couple seasons there, but ultimately, I agree. Go big or go home. Perfetti has a lot of bust potential, but his boom is pretty damn high too. He really showed up in the second half of the season, which leads me to believe he has all the tools he needs to overcome his deficiencies.

 

[93LEAFS]

Rumor has it he may not be available for the Sens 2nd 1st.

Yeah, he's way more likely to go 4 or even 3 than he is to slip to the Isles pick. Barring something doesn't dramatically change by the draft date (for example some of the Euros coming out on fire if they are playing etc.).

 

[JiricekSaveUs]

Perfetti has the most potential to be a homerun in this draft I think. His brain/hands/shot combination are just as good as Lafreniere. His skating is as good in terms of mechanics, but he’s not as explosive. It’s not something I’m worried about, he’s pretty far away from being fully developed physically. He’ll become more explosive as he gains strength. The biggest separator between Laf and Perfetti for me is Lafreniere’s compete. I really do think Perfetti could be an absolute stud. Just based on pure skill, he’s top 4 in this draft for sure.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Got an itch?

 

[NJ Fan 12]

Devils Insider discussed him the other day.

Episode 569: Cole Perfetti - Devils Insiders

 

[nbwingsfan]

If I'm drafting in the top 10 and I end up with Darren Helm, I've failed just as much as if I drafted a guy who tops out as an AHL scorer.

Well that’s not true at all. Players like Helm play crucial parts on any nhl team.

 

[Dr Quincy]

Well that’s not true at all. Players like Helm play crucial parts on any nhl team.

Sure.

And they are available for much lower cost.

A staple can be a crucial tool when you are have a bunch of pages of paper and there's an open window in your office on a windy day.

But that doesn't mean you spend the same on a stapler and 1000 staples as you do as on your computer.

But you are right, players like Helm play a crucial part on ANY team.

Thus....

To DET: Casey Cizika
To NYI: #4 overall

Still not true at all?

 

[nbwingsfan]

Sure.

And they are available for much lower cost.

A staple can be a crucial tool when you are have a bunch of pages of paper and there's an open window in your office on a windy day.

But that doesn't mean you spend the same on a stapler and 1000 staples as you do as on your computer.

But you are right, players like Helm play a crucial part on ANY team.

Thus....

To DET: Casey Cizika
To NYI: #4 overall

Still not true at all?

Let’s revisit your original statement.

“If I draft in the top 10 and end up with a Darren Helm I’ve failed just as much as someone who drafted a player who tops off as an AHL player” (paraphrased).

Not one person is saying draft a player who’s CEILING is a Darren Helm player. They’re saying Perfetti May have a higher ceiling, but his floor is much lower than someone like Jarvis who is likely an NHL player either way.

Its like saying it’s a 50/50 chance Perfetti is a 90pt player or an AHL journeyman while Jarvis is 50/50 chance to be a 70pt player or a 3rd line checking role player. Understandable why some GMs may take the second option.

Hopefully you can see how foolish your statement is.