that makes no sense. Marner was picked 4th, Strome was picked 3rd. Don't tell me leafs called Arizona and told them, Hey if you are picking Marner at 3rd wait up we arew trading up. Maybe the Leafs had Marner at 3 and i don't blame them cause that's where i has him too. But you the moving down part you just made it up. Oh and it's moving UP not down.
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that makes no sense. Marner was picked 4th, Strome was picked 3rd. Don't tell me leafs called Arizona and told them, Hey if you are picking Marner at 3rd wait up we arew trading up. Maybe the Leafs had Marner at 3 and i don't blame them cause that's where i has him too. But you the moving down part you just made it up. Oh and it's moving UP not down.
Your points contradict each other. Nashville went BPA with Jones and that's what allowed them to get a no.1 center. They don't make the Finals without Johansen playing a huge part, Nashville may be a worse team right now without Jones, but they were right to trade a young 3rd pairing defenseman for a shot at the cup with the window they had.
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Yes Nashville was smart at the draft (like they usually are) and went with the BPA. But thinking they had a big need for offense led them to trading a potential Norris winner for a borderline first line center. Them thinking they needed offense and were to stacked at D led them to making a bad trade.
A 1 for 1 trade when theyre both in the NHL isnt the best comparable I guess because the draft is a different situation but the main point is that thinking youre "too stacked" at D that you downgrade to a good but not as good offensive player is a bad way to have a successful hockey team. At the draft even moreso when youre picking that high
But...they did have a huge need for offense and a stacked defense. I mean, that's not arguable. Jones was playing on the third pairing behind Weber and Ellis and they hadn't had a no.1 center since Arnott.
That thinking literally led to them going to the finals.
If the Coyotes took Marner, they were discussing moving down with Columbus. Because they weren't sold on Strome or Hanifin, was the point.
Ok so when I watch him he just looks like every move is made in slow motion. Just glides slowly into the O-zone.
do we think his game will translate with the lack of speed and pace?
do we think his game will translate with the lack of speed and pace?
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If it goes:
- Lafreniere
- Drysdale (LA - missing a #1D prospect and have Turcotte)
- Byfield (OTT - missing a #1C prospect and have Chabot)
As much of a Stutzle guy as I've been, I'm actually really warming up to Perfetti at that #4 spot. Detroit needs an elite offensive talent can be the focal point for other teams' D and still thrive and it appears Perfetti has that potential.
- Lafreniere
- Drysdale (LA - missing a #1D prospect and have Turcotte)
- Byfield (OTT - missing a #1C prospect and have Chabot)
As much of a Stutzle guy as I've been, I'm actually really warming up to Perfetti at that #4 spot. Detroit needs an elite offensive talent can be the focal point for other teams' D and still thrive and it appears Perfetti has that potential.
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His pace is similar to Suzuki, though I think he’s a bit faster at the time of the draft, and his anticipation is off the charts, like Nick. I think he’ll be fine.
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Our Lady Peace
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Sure is a good year to have a top 10 pick, let alone 2 top 5 picks.
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Most overrated prospect of the draft. Kid is tiny and skates like Corey Perry in his draft year.
Jack Quinn and Holtz have better shots and better skating.
but i will be absolutely thrilled if some team in the top 5 picks Perfetti because that means a better prospect falls to being available at #6
Jack Quinn and Holtz have better shots and better skating.
but i will be absolutely thrilled if some team in the top 5 picks Perfetti because that means a better prospect falls to being available at #6
He definitely has nice vision, but his plays are just so slow developing as are his moves and he’s given tons of time and space. I worry about the pace of the NHL for him
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and he's very undersized so he won't be able to skate away from bigger stronger players who want to knock him off the puck or land a big hit on him.
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Most overrated prospect of the draft. Kid is tiny and skates like Corey Perry in his draft year.
Jack Quinn and Holtz have better shots and better skating.
but i will be absolutely thrilled if some team in the top 5 picks Perfetti because that means a better prospect falls to being available at #6
You're probably going to get your wish, after how the lottery went I think Detroit probably takes him at #4 assuming the top 3 goes at .
They are going to have to get more out of his skating, but he actually kind of reminds me of Giroux. So we will see, certainly skating could be the issue, the team buying in on him must believe they can round out some of his athletic ability. His offensive ceiling is pretty massive in my opinion.
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Can teams improve a players skating (much)? A sincere question, not being sarcastic.
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I worry about it, I think as guys get stronger and get a little more understanding into training and eating right you can help along with power skating schools and whatnot. A lot of these players already do that, for instance we know Rossi is pretty far along his developmental curve on the stories on him. Perfetti and his coach have talked about increasing his athleticism is something I think is out there.
It is a gamble, we lost recently on one in Xavier Ouellet who just couldn't ever make the skating gains to become the top 4 D we hoped for but that was a second round deal. It worries me in the first, especially high first, but they will have a very good read on him. Jimmy Devellano and Chris Osgood are Partners in Saginaw. The Wings will be very familiar with him.
Lots of guys improve their skating though, I just worry about banking on it heavily, especially as skating is at a premium. It was one of my hangups with Zadina, though he has gained about half a step already in my opinion.
I think Detroit is looking at him, Askarov, Sanderson and Rossi. I like Rossi the least of that group in terms of if that is who we are picking. If Byfield or Stutzle fall they will probably run to the podium for them.
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Its not like Perfetti is a bad skater, or that he needs to improve it to make the NHL, though; it might just hold him back from being an elite ES player. His speed isn't great, but he's shifty and smart.
Interesting that you think Detroit would look at Askarov... what are you basing that on? Just speculation? As a Sens fan, I'd be pretty disappointed if we used our #5 on Askarov, even if we didn't have 4-5 youngsters with NHL potential
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I think they like him and have heard that. I don't think they do it, why I said my guess is they pull the trigger on Perfetti. We will see, with a bunch of these guys restarting in Europe this board might change unlike in years past.
I agree in terms of what you say on his skating. I just hope if we are picking him, we actually project it to improve as a skating staff. I don't mind Perfetti's stride so that is a good thing in terms of building on it and he does flash laterally and in tight spacing good agility ability.
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I've just always heard the only thing you can't teach is how to find the back of the net and, with training, the skating can be improved. How much? That would be nice to know.
Corey Perry's skating has never been great but he made up for it by being big, mean (see dirty) and he could score. Perfetti isn't big or mean.
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His skating isn't as bad as Perry's, heck it is better than Rossi's in my opinion for those that champion him up the board.
All players see the ice differently. I think the higher IQ guys find the pace of the game slower. I see his ability on the PP similar to Patrick Kane. I’d rather have a guy that can finesse his way up the ice with control of the puck than have to pass it off every time an opposing player gets to close or a guy that looks fast because he’s flying the d-zone to early. Plus this guy has scoring ability. Kid looks like a great talent to me. Could make an immediate impact on a poor power play. Ottawa
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I highly doubtful those are the only players they'd be looking at at #4
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