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C Ivan Barbashev (2014, 33rd, STL)

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Can someone tell me why HF is so in love with the kid? Haven't seen him at all or read any scout reports, so I am curious.
 
ImGoingNucks said:
How did this kid fall out of the 1st? Am shocked to say the lest!!!
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As I've already mentioned in a different thread, maybe he was spotted drinking vodka with KHL GMs :sarcasm:

Anyway it's really strange that teams like Montreal (it was mentioned that they wouldn't pick Barbashev if Scherbak wasn't available), Tampa and LA, who never were afraid to go Russian for the right talent, passed him late in the draft.

Unagi said:
Can someone tell me why HF is so in love with the kid? Haven't seen him at all or read any scout reports, so I am curious.
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Playmaking two-way center/winger, complete palyer, very competitive and with quite an upside - it's not being in love with him, but it looked that he is a guy that would basically fit any team, looked as top 15-20 talent for sure all season long and now he slipped to the second, so it's just kind of shocking.
 
I can't believe he is still available, I wanted him badly where we took McCann (either he or Scherbak)

I had him at #12 on my list. Someone is going to get a steal here. I hope somehow he falls to #36 and its us.
 
Unagi said:
Thx for the insight...why did he fall then? Reported attitude problems? Russian factor (is he?)
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And here you got to the point which has been discussed here for a last couple of pages - that we really don't know why it happened :) Doesn't look like he would be a guy with attitude problems, he was always reported as a true leader and captain material. Russian factor maybe, but he has played second straight season in QMJHL and also mentioned couple of times that he doesn't consider KHL as an option, besides, Russian factor wasn't problem for Scherbak and Goldobin. The only theory about the Russian factor that I could think about is that his elder brother is playing in the KHL and teams might have thought that this would increase his chances of defecting, but that would make this Russian factor thing very ugly.
 
Anyone want to keep telling me there isn't an anti european bias going on in the league?
 
Bps21 said:
Anyone want to keep telling me there isn't an anti european bias going on in the league?
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This argument doesn't really work here, as there were several Euro's taken, 2 Russians as well, this is just 1 player.
 
Bps21 said:
Anyone want to keep telling me there isn't an anti european bias going on in the league?
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Well, it's actually hard to call a bias, but just some teams have their preferences: for example it's hard to imagine Nashville drafting Russians after the Radulov story; also you can't accuse Yzerman of being anti European biased, but he still doesn't draft Swedes. Also if talking about KHL/SHL based prospects a lot of teams doesn't wan't to take the headache about getting them to NA. And as a sum of all those things you get this big picture of a some kind of 'bias'.
 
i was in total shock when this kid fell out of the 1st round....some team in the 2nd round is going to get an amazing player ...I personally though Montreal was going to grab him, then i thought at 30 NJ will take this kid, he is their style player, strong, tough, skilled and the kid off the ice and in the locker room is a great kid.
 
Rumours are that there are some concerns about his skating ability, although then I'm not sure why there weren't any in January - he was ranked at 13-th back then at the TSN's scout survey. Maybe he was somehow really bad at the combine?
 
Caser said:
Well, it's actually hard to call a bias, but just some teams have their preferences: for example it's hard to imagine Nashville drafting Russians after the Radulov story; also you can't accuse Yzerman of being anti European biased, but he still doesn't draft Swedes. Also if talking about KHL/SHL based prospects a lot of teams doesn't wan't to take the headache about getting them to NA. And as a sum of all those things you get this big picture of a some kind of 'bias'.
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What you're describing is bias though, just one that is arguably justified to some extent. It's still bias because it takes the generality that Russians sometimes leave for, or never come to the NHL from, the KHL, and holds that against individuals who it may never apply to.

In Barbashev's case there's clearly more going on than just being Russian, otherwise he would likely have been taken as Scherbak and Goldobin were. I guess they must think there's a hole in his game and that his offense might not translate too much, making it a good chance he might end up a third-liner. Third-liners are a bigger risk to go over to the KHL because they can get more ice time and more money. So that would drop his stock on its own, and then be magnified by the bias of considering Russians to be flight risks. Goldobin and Scherbak or more boom/bust picks -- if they pan out, they'll be top 6 players in the NHL.

Caser said:
Rumours are that there are some concerns about his skating ability, although then I'm not sure why there weren't any in January - he was ranked at 13-th back then at the TSN's scout survey. Maybe he was somehow really bad at the combine?
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This could make sense. He needs to work on his acceleration imo, but it doesn't concern me. He'll be a good NHL-level player for sure.
 
ozo said:
Shouldn't this rather work in favor of Barbashev?
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Well what I'm saying is that Barbashev could pan out but only be a third liner. The bias that stems from fear of flight to the KHL would be increased, because there's more incentive for a third liner to go to the KHL. I'm not supporting it, just trying to guess why he might have fallen.

Other guys who project to be only third liners were taken, like Bleackley, and Barbashev has a much better chance of being a second-liner. I'm thinking that is how the Russian factor perhaps played into it more than it did for Scherbak or Goldobin, because if those guys pan out, they're going to be big parts of their NHL teams and have less incentive to leave. Barbashev could also pan out to that level, but he might just be a third-liner.
 
Yeah, I understand the idea and it makes sense, so probably we are dealing with this kind of 'modified Russian factor' here
 
apparently there were concerns about his skating, his offensive upside and the russian factor that made him drop down so much (from a habs scout)
 
Caser said:
Well, it's actually hard to call a bias, but just some teams have their preferences: for example it's hard to imagine Nashville drafting Russians after the Radulov story; also you can't accuse Yzerman of being anti European biased, but he still doesn't draft Swedes. Also if talking about KHL/SHL based prospects a lot of teams doesn't wan't to take the headache about getting them to NA. And as a sum of all those things you get this big picture of a some kind of 'bias'.
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Nashville drafted Kamenev! I guess I should keep my mouth shut after I was also for sure predicting first round for Barbashev :D
 
Fabbri and Barbashev are you kidding me. The hockey God's smiled on the
Blues and gave them two top talented players in this draft.
 
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