Bunting got 5 and a game for elbow to the head of Cernak (suspended 3 games)

[Gallagbi]

Is injuring someone a compounding factor in terms of discipline?

Asking a serious question.

Simple answer is yes

 

[hatterson]

I think the biggest factor was Cernak wasn’t even remotely close to being legally eligible to hit.

Its not that crazy to expect at least a 5 game suspension if this hit happened in the regular season.

I mean, a 1 game regular season suspension happened just a week ago for a hit against a player that wasn’t even remotely close to being legally eligible to be hit.

There’s very little reason to believe the DOPS would suspend this 5 games in the regular season.

 

[Hockeylife2018]

I mean, I dont really give a shit if he plays even when hes back lol but come on... 3 games when Hartman just destroyed a guy and got 1.

Bunting hasn't been fined let alone suspended lol.. this is equivalent of a 12 game int he regular season as they say x 4

I hear it's normally x10

Am I being dramatic enough for you?

 

[hatterson]

Is injuring someone a compounding factor in terms of discipline?

Asking a serious question.

They’ve said in the past that an injury doesn’t make a non-suspendable play into a suspension, but it does impact the severity of the punishment handed out.

 

[pcruz]

I think it does...

Exactly like in real life, running a red light is punished much more if you hit someone.

Now, one can argue that the outcome should not influence the penalty, but it is human nature not to ignore it... I highly suspect that if Cernak was back for game two, Bunting would had only got 1-2 games.

Care to explain how this play received 1 regular season game then.

Ehlers is still out.

Ehlers is not in a position to receive contact and Hartman deliberately loses control of the puck in order to deliver the hit.

Wild's Hartman suspended one game for hit on Jets' Ehlers, won't miss playoffs

Minnesota Wild forward Ryan Hartman has been suspended one game for a hit on Winnipeg Jets forward Nikolaj Ehlers on Tuesday, the NHL’s Department of Player Safety announced Wednesday following a hearing.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[nturn06]

Curious why three games is considered the baseline for Bunting with zero suspension history.

My guess is that the baseline was 1 game for the hit to the head. Then 1 game was added because he hit a guy who was a mile away from the puck and it seems that his feet left the ice... Third game was because of the injury.

I remember some time ago some guy (Downie I think) getting suspended 20+ games with zero suspension history.

 

[Menzinger]

I'm curious how many people view this as the single worst hit a player has made in the last nearly 2 years of NHL hockey because the last hit to receive the equivalent of 3 playoff games or more was Scheifele on Evans nearly 2 years ago.

And that's exactly it - what's the exact precedent for this punishment?

Few disagree with the idea that he deserved to face SOMETHING - but what exactly make this a three game worth decision?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Care to explain how this play received 1 regular season game then.

Ehlers is still out.

Ehlers is not in a position to receive contact and Hartman deliberately loses control of the puck in order to deliver the hit.

Wild's Hartman suspended one game for hit on Jets' Ehlers, won't miss playoffs

Minnesota Wild forward Ryan Hartman has been suspended one game for a hit on Winnipeg Jets forward Nikolaj Ehlers on Tuesday, the NHL’s Department of Player Safety announced Wednesday following a hearing.

www.sportsnet.ca

Point to a play that majority of people think the league was wrong on the call…. Doesn’t exactly help anyone change their mind if this is the right call.


I think the bunting call is right, I think the Hartman call was wrong

 

[pcruz]

My guess is that the baseline was 1 game for the hit to the head. Then 1 game was added because he hit a guy who was a mile away from the puck and it seems that his feet left the ice... Third game was because of the injury.

I remember some time ago some guy (Downie I think) getting suspended 20+ games with zero suspension history.

Care to try and explain why Andrew Ference received 1 playoff game suspension for this hit.
He had received a 3 game suspension less than 18 months previous to the incident (therefore a repeat offender, and received another 3 game suspension less than 12 months later for another hit to the head).

 

[mouser]

Is injuring someone a compounding factor in terms of discipline?

Asking a serious question.

Yes. The DoPS factors in whether the opposing player was injured when deciding suspension lengths.

 

[pcruz]

And that's exactly it - what's the exact precedent for this punishment?

Few disagree with the idea that he deserved to face SOMETHING - but what exactly make this a three game worth decision?

See, my stance is that he shouldn't play again in the playoffs.

However, I am genuinely curious as to why this is an official 3 game suspension from the NHL when similar hits, and much more dangerous hits alike, have been settled on 1 game suspensions.

 

[nturn06]

Care to explain how this play received 1 regular season game then.

Ehlers is still out.

Ehlers is not in a position to receive contact and Hartman deliberately loses control of the puck in order to deliver the hit.

Wild's Hartman suspended one game for hit on Jets' Ehlers, won't miss playoffs

Minnesota Wild forward Ryan Hartman has been suspended one game for a hit on Winnipeg Jets forward Nikolaj Ehlers on Tuesday, the NHL’s Department of Player Safety announced Wednesday following a hearing.

www.sportsnet.ca

IMO Hartman should had been suspended for longer, but there are few differences between the two plays... For once Hartman delivered the hit less than a second after he let go of the puck... Cernak/Bunting did not have control of the puck, and were no close to the puck.

I would argue that someone intentinally injuring a player far away from the puck should be suspended much more than 3 games, and this is what hurt a lot Bunting's case.

At the end of the day, someone else getting away with a weaker punishment for a different play is not an excuse for Bunting.

 

[joepeps]

I hear it's normally x10

Am I being dramatic enough for you?

ummm ok... but they actually say that.

 

[pcruz]

IMO Hartman should had been suspended for longer, but there are few differences between the two plays... For once Hartman delivered the hit less than a second after he let go of the puck... Cernak/Bunting did not have control of the puck, and were no close to the puck.

I would argue that someone intentinally injuring a player far away from the puck should be suspended much more than 3 games, and this is what hurt a lot Bunting's case.

At the end of the day, someone else getting away with a weaker punishment for a different play is not an excuse for Bunting.

The Hartman hit is far more dangerous in my opinion.

There is much more force on the impact.
Ehlers is in no way expecting contact from a player who has the puck (or recently passed it off) when he doesn't have it, and is completely defenseless.

As for the bolded part:

We have heard this so often when it comes to comparing suspensions for Leafs players vs players from other teams when the circumstances are the same.

Why was Matthews suspended 2 games for a cross-check to the head/neck that didn't result in injury, when other players previously and since then, have not received anything/been fined/ given 1 game suspension?

 

[mouser]

Care to try and explain why Andrew Ference received 1 playoff game suspension for this hit.
He had received a 3 game suspension less than 18 months previous to the incident (therefore a repeat offender, and received another 3 game suspension less than 12 months later for another hit to the head).

Any discipline from 2013 is too old to be relevant when evaluating the standards today. Especially for head contact.

 

[nturn06]

Care to try and explain why Andrew Ference received 1 playoff game suspension for this hit.
He had received a 3 game suspension less than 18 months previous to the incident (therefore a repeat offender, and received another 3 game suspension less than 12 months later for another hit to the head).

You are asking me why apples are not punished the same as oranges.

Yes, it is true that some suspensions should had been longer. But this does not mean that every other suspension is unfair.

And, the last thing the NHL neads is to give a green light to players headhunting other players away from the puck. I do believe that they had to send a clear message that this is unacceptable.

 

[MMC]

 

[nturn06]

The Hartman hit is far more dangerous in my opinion.

There is much more force on the impact.
Ehlers is in no way expecting contact from a player who has the puck (or recently passed it off) when he doesn't have it, and is completely defenseless.

Yes, I am sure that this is your unbiased oppinion.

My oppinion is that injuring players away from the puck is one of the big no-mo in the game. Can you imagine how the NHL would look if players start elbowing eachother everywhere on the ice?

 

[All Mod Cons]

Care to try and explain why Andrew Ference received 1 playoff game suspension for this hit.
He had received a 3 game suspension less than 18 months previous to the incident (therefore a repeat offender, and received another 3 game suspension less than 12 months later for another hit to the head).

Most likely a dive by Grabovski I'd imagine.

 

[Enga Olly]

A 5+ game playoff suspension would equate to a 8-10 game regular season suspension. It’s a bad hit, but that would be insane.

Not to Leaf-Haters. That guy would likely want Bunting banned for life

 

[pcruz]

Yes, I am sure that this is your unbiased oppinion.

My oppinion is that injuring players away from the puck is one of the big no-mo in the game. Can you imagine how the NHL would look if players start elbowing eachother everywhere on the ice?

My apologies.
I should have clarified that other random people around the NHL like Bieksa, Friedman, Hrudy, and others have also publicly stated that they believed Hartman should have received a minimum of 3 game suspension for his hit.

They have done so from their platform of the official NHL partner, criticizing the NHL decision.

 

[Gallagbi]

Yes, I am sure that this is your unbiased oppinion.

My oppinion is that injuring players away from the puck is one of the big no-mo in the game. Can you imagine how the NHL would look if players start elbowing eachother everywhere on the ice?

Didnt Hartman target Ehlers who never had the puck and wasnt making a play on him?

 

[zar]

Honestly was expecting 1 game… maybe 2… 3? That’s ridiculous.

How does Hartman get only 1.

NHLPS needs to be investigated by an external source to justify their decisions. This is crazy.

… and if you call me a Leaf fan, I will put a 100 year curse on your team… doubt me and know that both a Leafs fan and Canucks fan called me a Leaf fan once.

 

[AvsFan29]

I think suspending Bunting for the rest of the series is a bit harsh

 

[Stonehands 1]

1 game for a hit to the head, 1 game for the injury, 1 game because he is Michael Bunting