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For the sake of discussion, would Bunting be for interest to St. Louis? Carolina's lineup at the moment:

Svechnikov - Aho - Teravainen
Bunting - Drury - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Jarvis
Noesen - Kotkaniemi - Fast

Guys like Martinook and Fast are important Bottom 6 forecheckers/defensive players. Noesen has slowed down in recent weeks, but adds a net front element to the lineup. Bunting could be the odd man out, despite pacing for ~49 points. Now, he is a bit of a PP merchant that has had a rough go defensively, but there can be an adjustment period in Carolina's system. 2 years remaining at $4.5 mil.
 

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For the sake of discussion, would Bunting be for interest to St. Louis? Carolina's lineup at the moment:

Svechnikov - Aho - Teravainen
Bunting - Drury - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Jarvis
Noesen - Kotkaniemi - Fast

Guys like Martinook and Fast are important Bottom 6 forecheckers/defensive players. Noesen has slowed down in recent weeks, but adds a net front element to the lineup. Bunting could be the odd man out, despite pacing for ~49 points. Now, he is a bit of a PP merchant that has had a rough go defensively, but there can be an adjustment period in Carolina's system. 2 years remaining at $4.5 mil.
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None whatsoever, we only take him back if Drury is also involved with Nikishin.

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For Carolina Nikishin should totally be off limits. But, as a Blues fan, if I can get the green light from Morrow that he would sign at the end of this season, I would definitely be asking for 1st+Morrow+a roster player (not a Seth Jarvis, Drury, or Necas, but definitely someone that is more than a 4th liner)
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We should stand firm on Nikishin. Otherwise deal with Van or DET for similar quality D prospects.
 
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Big Daddy Cane said:
For the sake of discussion, would Bunting be for interest to St. Louis? Carolina's lineup at the moment:

Svechnikov - Aho - Teravainen
Bunting - Drury - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Jarvis
Noesen - Kotkaniemi - Fast

Guys like Martinook and Fast are important Bottom 6 forecheckers/defensive players. Noesen has slowed down in recent weeks, but adds a net front element to the lineup. Bunting could be the odd man out, despite pacing for ~49 points. Now, he is a bit of a PP merchant that has had a rough go defensively, but there can be an adjustment period in Carolina's system. 2 years remaining at $4.5 mil.
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Bunting really doesn't do anything for me. Is there any legs to the Necas rumors? If so maybe we could find a way to expand the deal. What else does Carolina need?
 
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Blanick said:
Bunting really doesn't do anything for me. Is there any legs to the Necas rumors? If so maybe we could find a way to expand the deal. What else does Carolina need?
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Bunting doesn't have to be in the deal. Just a thought. The Canes are projected to have the space for Buchnevich in full on deadline day.

Nothing really is a need. Goaltending has stabilized. The defense is deep and healthy.

Necas would make more sense in a Hayes-Trouba indirect trade; St. Louis flips a chunk of the Buch return back in the Summer. If the Canes are going for it, he needs to be in the lineup.
 
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Big Daddy Cane said:
For the sake of discussion, would Bunting be for interest to St. Louis? Carolina's lineup at the moment:

Svechnikov - Aho - Teravainen
Bunting - Drury - Necas
Martinook - Staal - Jarvis
Noesen - Kotkaniemi - Fast

Guys like Martinook and Fast are important Bottom 6 forecheckers/defensive players. Noesen has slowed down in recent weeks, but adds a net front element to the lineup. Bunting could be the odd man out, despite pacing for ~49 points. Now, he is a bit of a PP merchant that has had a rough go defensively, but there can be an adjustment period in Carolina's system. 2 years remaining at $4.5 mil.
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i don't mind the player (don't love him for us but he's better than many of our forwards) but the extra year feels like something that would rather not take. would probably rather take someone else and retain if needed?
 
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Blueston said:
i don't mind the player (don't love him for us but he's better than many of our forwards) but the extra year feels like something that would rather not take. would probably rather take someone else and retain if needed?
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Only 11 players are under contract for next season. St. Louis wouldn't want Kotkaniemi. Fast has a Full NTC (didn't cash in after a really strong playoff performance). That leaves Bunting.

Like I said above, they could make the deal without sending anything back or asking for retention (I still don't see St. Louis doing that on Buchnevich for any team). Waddell and co. prioritize cap flexibility over avoiding making tough decisions on key players.
 
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Side note: the parallels in approach between the two FOs are pretty interesting. Neither is afraid of a making a tough decision (letting a Pietrangelo or Hamilton walk). Neither likes to pay high prices for rentals; Armstrong went all in on Miller that one time and regretted it. Both want long-term 2nd contracts for their young players. Carolina is more conservative in handing out term to vets.

It's interesting to watch from the sidelines as the Canes are going to try to replicate what the Blues are now doing down the line (hopefully a decade from now).
 
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StlBill said:
None whatsoever, we only take him back if Drury is also involved with Nikishin.


We should stand firm on Nikishin. Otherwise deal with Van or DET for similar quality D prospects.
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Agreed. Top d prospect or bust.

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Bunting really doesn't do anything for me. Is there any legs to the Necas rumors? If so maybe we could find a way to expand the deal. What else does Carolina need?
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I could do a buchnevich for morrow necas 1st for buchy and ( hayes kapp scandella ect)
 
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StlBill said:
None whatsoever, we only take him back if Drury is also involved with Nikishin.


We should stand firm on Nikishin. Otherwise deal with Van or DET for similar quality D prospects.
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Robtom18 said:
Agreed. Top d prospect or bust.


I could do a buchnevich for morrow necas 1st for buchy and ( hayes kapp scandella ect)
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I think you guys are highly undervaluing Morrow I would put him right under Nikishin's level. as well as being one year younger.
 
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Yeah, Morrow is not worthy of being a key piece in a Buchnevich deal. Nikishin yes
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Completely disagree. You are under-rating Morrow tremendously. Morrow is a lot closer to Nikishin than you are giving him credit for. Solid in all three zones, good breakouts and can QB a PP. Top 4 floor.
 
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You may spend the next couple of pages arguing the contrary, but I think even you know that it's not realistic.
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What about Buch 25% retained for Nick + rights to Cade Webber (I think he said he wouldn’t sign with you) with conditional 1sts in 28 and 29 if Nick refuses to come over?
 
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Nik is the best D not in the NHL and Morrow would be our best defensive prospect so top 4 potential definitely.
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That’s great that you’re a huge fan of Morrow, but he’s not a game changer. I’d rather hold onto Buch than sell him for anything less than what would be a win. Hence, Nikishin, Wallinder, Sandin - Pellika. Otherwise, we keep him, try and get in, give Binner a go in the playoffs
 

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StlBill said:
That’s great that you’re a huge fan of Morrow, but he’s not a game changer. I’d rather hold onto Buch than sell him for anything less than what would be a win. Hence, Nikishin, Wallinder, Sandin - Pellika. Otherwise, we keep him, try and get in, give Binner a go in the playoffs
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This team isn’t making the playoffs. And even if they did, it’s an easy 1st round win for any of the top seeds in the West.
 
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