Dreger: Buchnevich is likely to be traded

[Petes2424]

Yes what i am saying is parayko and faulk can cover 1 2 rhd while kessel and be # 3. That allows us to draft young top prospects for rhd side. Now then on lhd we have krug who will be gone soon. Leddy on decline and scandella who will be gone next year
.the lhd is most important the rhd.

But agree to disagree


Snuggerud is a blue chip. Dvorsky blue chip. The kasper cant even break ppg in ahl. Draft pedigree isnt everything and wallinder isnt a shoe in for top 4. The first round picks ours and whom ever buchy fetches will most likely get some our lhd or rhd.

Kasper is playing just fine for a 19 year old kid in the AHL. He’s actually playing very well. If he were in juniors, which he could’ve played this year, you can guarantee he’d be amongst the top players in the CHL. He was ready for the AHL though, after a good pro season in Sweden.

He also played much better than Dvorsky in the SHL as a teenager last year. Remember, Dvorsky was struggling pretty badly in the SHL this year. To the extent they brought him over to play junior, because he desperately needed some confidence. He was playing in a league he just wasn’t ready for yet.

The competition level is night and day between the leagues these two are playing in. However, that also doesn’t mean Kasper will be the better NHL player. Young kids all develop differently. Some take longer, for all sorts of different reasons.

Both of those kids are very high end prospects. Kasper is ahead of Dvorsky at this point, but Dvorsky will be playing against men again, later this season or next. We’ll get another chance to see where his game is at. If he’s still struggling this time next year against men, whether that’s in the AHL or Europe, then maybe we start re-evaluating things a little bit. Still, that would likely be too early.

You always have to be very careful trying to judge kids from junior and college stats. Size, strength and speed are all great for a junior prospect, but if that’s “all he’s using” for his junior success, he will struggle playing pro hockey. He will no longer be bigger, stronger and faster than his opponents. It’s why we see a lot of junior kids who are PPG types in Junior, get to the NHL faster than many kids who are putting up over 100 points. Many times, those kids “think the game” at an NHL level, and their teammates don’t. Juniors actually hold them back some.

So once again, you have to be really careful about junior and college stats, and how those players get those stats. We have started to hear those whispers about Dvorsky, which is honestly fair because he did struggle so badly against men, and a lot of his success in the CHL is from his physical maturity, but like I said, it’s still way too early.

If you wanna compare kids though, wait to compare them in pro leagues. You’ll get a much better gauge on where they actually stand as players. Junior hockey can be very deceiving because 90% of those players will never play pro hockey.

 

[Em etah Eh]

We really talking about drafting based on handedness now? FFS, if you’re lucky enough to grab a #1D and he happens to be right handed, do it and play Coliocovo with him on the left side for all I care.

 

[SML2]

It won’t so won’t worry lol

I would throw a party but we would need a dman back. Miller plays like he's got a bag over his head but he eats alot of minutes.

 

[tlk]

How many Rags fans would have pitchforks if it cost Miller?

I know some tristate based guys who'd drive him to StL if he nets us Buch.
But he won't. I imagine at least unless you'd take Drury as well.

 

[Robtom18]

Kasper is playing just fine for a 19 year old kid in the AHL. He’s actually playing very well. If he were in juniors, which he could’ve played this year, you can guarantee he’d be amongst the top players in the CHL. He was ready for the AHL though, after a good pro season in Sweden.

He also played much better than Dvorsky in the SHL as a teenager last year. Remember, Dvorsky was struggling pretty badly in the SHL this year. To the extent they brought him over to play junior, because he desperately needed some confidence. He was playing in a league he just wasn’t ready for yet.

The competition level is night and day between the leagues these two are playing in. However, that also doesn’t mean Kasper will be the better NHL player. Young kids all develop differently. Some take longer, for all sorts of different reasons.

Both of those kids are very high end prospects. Kasper is ahead of Dvorsky at this point, but Dvorsky will be playing against men again, later this season or next. We’ll get another chance to see where his game is at. If he’s still struggling this time next year against men, whether that’s in the AHL or Europe, then maybe we start re-evaluating things a little bit. Still, that would likely be too early.

You always have to be very careful trying to judge kids from junior and college stats. Size, strength and speed are all great for a junior prospect, but if that’s “all he’s using” for his junior success, he will struggle playing pro hockey. He will no longer be bigger, stronger and faster than his opponents. It’s why we see a lot of junior kids who are PPG types in Junior, get to the NHL faster than many kids who are putting up over 100 points. Many times, those kids “think the game” at an NHL level, and their teammates don’t. Juniors actually hold them back some.

So once again, you have to be really careful about junior and college stats, and how those players get those stats. We have started to hear those whispers about Dvorsky, which is honestly fair because he did struggle so badly against men, and a lot of his success in the CHL is from his physical maturity, but like I said, it’s still way too early.

If you wanna compare kids though, wait to compare them in pro leagues. You’ll get a much better gauge on where they actually stand as players. Junior hockey can be very deceiving because 90% of those players will never play pro hockey.

Wrong. Dvorsky wasnt getting playing time
Also dvorsky is destroying at 18 ohl. When thomas was 19 he was winning a cup amd got 33 points in 70 nhl games and 6 points in 21 playoff games. Thats a 1c. No knock on kasper but alot 9f you have him as the next allstar top 5 1c. Thats just not him

 

[norrisnick]

Wrong. Dvorsky wasnt getting playing time
Also dvorsky is destroying at 18 ohl. When thomas was 19 he was winning a cup amd got 33 points in 70 nhl games and 6 points in 21 playoff games. Thats a 1c. No knock on kasper but alot 9f you have him as the next allstar top 5 1c. Thats just not him

He doesn't have to be to be more impactful for the Wings' future than Pavel Buchnevich...

 

[STL fan in MN]

Snuggerud is a blue chip. Dvorsky blue chip. The kasper cant even break ppg in ahl. Draft pedigree isnt everything and wallinder isnt a shoe in for top 4. The first round picks ours and whom ever buchy fetches will most likely get some our lhd or rhd.

You’re seriously underrating Kasper, seriously underrating the AHL, or both.

Kasper is a 19 yr old playing in the 2nd best pro league in the world. Dvorsky is playing Jrs (after not being able to hack a slightly lesser pro league) and Snuggerud is playing college hockey. The level of competition is vastly different. Kasper is pretty easily in the same tier as Dvorsky and Snuggerud.

It’d be quite the steal if Army could get all of of Kasper, Wallinder and a 1st for Buch. Maybe 2 of those assets but not all 3.

 

[Robtom18]

Another goal for buchy buchy buuu.

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

I don't know why people are trying to force the Buch to Detroit narrative when Detroit has scored (checks notes) 28 goals in the last six games.

 

[Robtom18]

I don't know why people are trying to force the Buch to Detroit narrative when Detroit has scored (checks notes) 28 goals in the last six games.

I think its that detroit has pieces that fit blues. Also buch is great 2 way player. Honestly there could be 8 teams in on him. Detroit is just one of them.

 

[evolutionbaby]

Wallinder+Berggren and a 2. Could be convinved to do a 1st if a nice extension was in place.

 

[Robtom18]

Wallinder+Berggren and a 2. Could be convinved to do a 1st if a nice extension was in place.

Yeah no kasper wallinder 1st thats the ask dont like move on

 

[BleedBlue14]

Wallinder+Berggren and a 2. Could be convinved to do a 1st if a nice extension was in place.

Can’t really do an extension until the summer.

 

[Petes2424]

We really talking about drafting based on handedness now? FFS, if you’re lucky enough to grab a #1D and he happens to be right handed, do it and play Coliocovo with him on the left side for all I care.

It’s the subject on here that gets the least thought by coaches and managers. At least half of LHD love playing their off-hand, because most have played it most of their lives.

25 years ago, it was very normal to have 5 and 1. The only reason we have the amount of RHD these days, is because non-hockey parents, especially in America, handed their kid a RH stick thinking it was like baseball. That’s actually the truth of it.

If you’re an NHL LHD, there's a good chance you were playing the right side growing up, because most coaches put their best dmen on the right side, when they end up with so many LHD.

I did AAA tryouts for years. I can honestly say, we never said, “man, we need a RHD.” I can never remember a coach telling us dmen growing up either, all the way through juniors, that we needed a RHD. It’s because everyone was a LHD. The subject never came up. It was rare. My own kid was left handed, and shot RH. He played the left side, all the way up. He showed up at selects one year, and just lined up on the left side, and the coaches were confused. They thought they finally had a natural RHD, and the kid wants to play the opposite side? They just started laughing, because go figure. You finally have one, and the kid likes his off-hand.

If you’re more of an offensive player, and your backhand is good, many prefer it. So while it’s optimal to have 3 and 3, it’s really not a big deal at all. Even today. I was watching Hanifin and Tanev play the other night, and during their shifts, they switch sides a lot, situationally. Yes, there’s some advantages positionally, but if your backhand is fine, you’re good. It’s talked about much more by fans than coaches. They’re gonna play their best 6.

 

[norrisnick]

Yeah no kasper wallinder 1st thats the ask dont like move on

You're not getting that package with Kasper without Thomas coming back, so you can by all means move on.

 

[Seanaconda]

So it took you 10 years of using a hockey forum to figure out that ignorant behavior is generally regarded as offputting by those who do not engage in it? Interesting!

Do you suspect Vancouver Canucks fans would appreciate their team being routinely referred to as the 'CUCKS' just because one can ignorantly select letters from their team name to come up with a derogatory term?

Common sense isn't so common these days it seems.

Wow wow wow I as a cuck would prefer to not be associated with the Canucks

 

[Henkka]

Tampa Subbaned Miller (traded before he was of age to have his NTC kick in). Buchnevich’s NTC will be active right away.

NTC does not prevent trades.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

It’s the subject on here that gets the least thought by coaches and managers. At least half of LHD love playing their off-hand, because most have played it most of their lives.

25 years ago, it was very normal to have 5 and 1. The only reason we have the amount of RHD these days, is because non-hockey parents, especially in America, handed their kid a RH stick thinking it was like baseball. That’s actually the truth of it.

If you’re an NHL LHD, there's a good chance you were playing the right side growing up, because most coaches put their best dmen on the right side, when they end up with so many LHD.

I did AAA tryouts for years. I can honestly say, we never said, “man, we need a RHD.” I can never remember a coach telling us dmen growing up either, all the way through juniors, that we needed a RHD. It’s because everyone was a LHD. The subject never came up. It was rare. My own kid was left handed, and shot RH. He played the left side, all the way up. He showed up at selects one year, and just lined up on the left side, and the coaches were confused. They thought they finally had a natural RHD, and the kid wants to play the opposite side? They just started laughing, because go figure. You finally have one, and the kid likes his off-hand.

If you’re more of an offensive player, and your backhand is good, many prefer it. So while it’s optimal to have 3 and 3, it’s really not a big deal at all. Even today. I was watching Hanifin and Tanev play the other night, and during their shifts, they switch sides a lot, situationally. Yes, there’s some advantages positionally, but if your backhand is fine, you’re good. It’s talked about much more by fans than coaches. They’re gonna play their best 6.

Actually better for shooting position. Never made me a difference which side to line up on.

 

[Bocomo91]

Why the rush? Blues are in a playoff spot and Buchnevich has an extra year on his contract.

Their schedule got tougher as they cooled off. Blues had been fortunate for about 8 games winning a bunch of close games. So now they are a long shot to catch Nashville. Buch, Kyrou & Binnington become possibilities at the deadline.

 

[mab894]

Their schedule got tougher as they cooled off. Blues had been fortunate for about 8 games winning a bunch of close games. So now they are a long shot to catch Nashville. Buch, Kyrou & Binnington become possibilities at the deadline.

Binnington's not getting traded. I'd be shocked if Kyrou did as well

 

[Robtom18]

You're not getting that package with Kasper without Thomas coming back, so you can by all means move on.

Lol thomas is worth way more than that. Thomas won a cup withe the blues at 18. Is a top 10 center in the league at 24 and has 7 more seasons signed at 8.5 for blues. Lol. It would be edvidson kasper wallinder 1st 2024 +++

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I don't know why people are trying to force the Buch to Detroit narrative when Detroit has scored (checks notes) 28 goals in the last six games.

Once two teams make a couple of trades with each other, their GMs are BFFs and seek each other out first when contemplating future trades.

Just like when two teams haven't made trades with each other in years, they are never making trades with each other. Evar.

 

[norrisnick]

Lol thomas is worth way more than that. Thomas won a cup withe the blues at 18. Is a top 5 center in the league at 24 and has 7 more seasons signed at 8.5 for blues. Lol. It would be edvidson kasper wallinder 1st 2024 +++

Got it. That certainly explains a lot.

 

[Em etah Eh]

Got it. That certainly explains a lot.

Yeah, don’t waste your time. I cringed when I saw that.

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Got it. That certainly explains a lot.

It's easier to scroll past him.