Dreger: Buchnevich is likely to be traded

[mab894]

While I disagree that he won’t be traded for anything less than two 1st rounders, this is who Armstrong is.

He’s not into trying to rip anyone off. It’s one of the reasons he’s so respected around the league. That doesn’t mean he lets other managers walk all over him either. His watching morning skates Saturday with Yzerman, is exactly how many of his deals originate. If it makes sense for the Blues, he’ll make the deal. Even if we don’t see the results tomorrow.

The Leddy deal was a perfect example. Leddy fit into where the Blues were at, more than he fit in Detroit. Walman becoming what he has, probably hasn’t surprised Armstrong at all. They just couldn’t really afford Walman’s insane ups and downs, before he matured into what he’s now becoming. Those mistakes had to take place in the NHL, “if” Walman was ever going to be a consistent NHL dman. Detroit was a team who could give him that ice-time, while the Blues couldn’t.

So value to fans and media, has NEVER effected how Armstrong does business. Fans are usually very praising of a deal, or they hate it. While the managers understand more of what they’re actually getting, or trading away.

I’ll just throw a hypothetical out there. If he got a 1st, Joe Veleno and Cross Hanas from Detroit for Buchnevich, fans (in this site) would probably think he got ripped off. We’d see all the Yzerplan and Wizard GM crap posts, ripping on Armstrong. Then we’d wake up in 3 years to Joe Veleno being Adam Henrique, Cross Hanas being Brandon Hagel and that 1st Round pick playing in their Top 4.

You’d find very few people on here who’d admit they were completely against that trade, as it happened. It’s the trade really good hockey managers make though. Not necessarily with those exact players, but they see things fans and the media don’t. They expect a player to develop into a certain type of player, the fans and media also don’t. They understand, a player at 21-22 will likely be a much different player at 26-27.

Armstrong is by far, a Top 5 manager in the NHL. If he makes a deal, fans should (at least) trust why he’s doing the deal. Doesn’t have to be a blind trust, but at least understand why a move is made.

By 2 1st rounders I mean the equivalent value of two firsts. So yes I see your scenario as a plausible return if Army values them highly (I'm not super familiar with Hanas tbh).

 

[bleedblue1223]

Maybe, maybe not. Once a team offered his asking price he didn't wait around to see if anyone would top that return.

Sure, but when picks are in limited supply, it was a good idea to jump the market and get ahead of it. Army is typically a better buyer than seller, but he did good last deadline. The other major piece he sold before was Shattenkirk, and he had deals for Hall and Drouin, but Shatty wouldn't extend in those places, so he had to settle for a rental package at the deadline.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

The various Buch threads have been cordial. A stark contrast to the Meier threads around this time last year. There have been no multi-page flame fests based on an unrealistic ask.

 

[Reality Czech]

Armstrong is by far, a Top 5 manager in the NHL. If he makes a deal, fans should (at least) trust why he’s doing the deal. Doesn’t have to be a blind trust, but at least understand why a move is made.

Tell that to certain members of our board who give Armstrong little credit and think he should have already been fired.

Maybe, maybe not. Once a team offered his asking price he didn't wait around to see if anyone would top that return.

Of course the risk of waiting longer is that the team may move on and acquire another player. Then you're left holding the bag and hoping that another buyer will come around.

 

[Robtom18]

Sure, but when picks are in limited supply, it was a good idea to jump the market and get ahead of it. Army is typically a better buyer than seller, but he did good last deadline. The other major piece he sold before was Shattenkirk, and he had deals for Hall and Drouin, but Shatty wouldn't extend in those places, so he had to settle for a rental package at the deadline.

Yep he got us lindstein stenberg to add on top of dvorsky. We also have torontos 2nd this year. Hopefull we get a dprospect another prospect and a 1st.

By 2 1st rounders I mean the equivalent value of two firsts. So yes I see your scenario as a plausible return if Army values them highly (I'm not super familiar with Hanas tbh).

The value of two firsts was suggested by and analyst not by armstrong.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

We need lhd so yeah

You have a total of 5 rhd under contract or in the system. How many left handed D? 17 I don’t think it matters…,

 

[sxvnert]

Armstrong needs to keep adding first rounders to keep the rebuild on the fly going.

 

[Robtom18]

You have a total of 5 rhd under contract or in the system. How many left handed D? 17 I don’t think it matters…,

Sir we dont have any top 4 potential lhd other than lindstein. We have parayko faulk kessel on the right side. Lhd is the priority.

 

[datsyukfan]

Sir we dont have any top 4 potential lhd other than lindstein. We have parayko faulk kessel on the right side. Lhd is the priority.

Wallinder (DET) would make a tun of sense. He’s close to ready to play

 

[mab894]

The value of two firsts was suggested by and analyst not by armstrong.

Thanks for the correction, not sure why I thought DA said that. Regardless my prediction is that if we can't get the equivalent of 2 firsts, he won't be moved.

 

[Robtom18]

Wallinder (DET) would make a tun of sense. He’s close to ready to play

Agreed. He is a top four ceiling. Him their first and kasper. Boom

Thanks for the correction, not sure why I thought DA said that. Regardless my prediction is that if we can't get the equivalent of 2 firsts, he won't be moved.

Agreed. I think that between det vegas tamp nj carolina nyr and edm. Plus a couple dark horses like florida. We should get a haul. I hope we get a top lhd a top forward or rhd and 1st

 

[datsyukfan]

Agreed. He is a top four ceiling. Him their first and kasper. Boom


Agreed. I think that between det vegas tamp nj carolina nyr and edm. Plus a couple dark horses like florida. We should get a haul. I hope we get a top lhd a top forward or rhd and 1st

I think Kasper would be the holdup on detroits end

 

[Robtom18]

I think Kasper would be the holdup on detroits end

I think if yzerman was able to talk to buch and get an idea of a 4 5 years extension he wouldbt have an issue.

 

[Ted Hoffman]

I feel like that's just an HF thing.

It happens all over every team's board, wherever you go on the Internet.

the blues deserve something of value back for Buch,

No they don't. They don't deserve anything.

Should they get high value? Sure, probably, but they don't deserve it

Armstrong needs to keep adding first rounders to keep the rebuild on the fly going.

Read my post earlier: there is no rebuild. You can call it a retool, a restructure, a rebalance, a reconfiguration, a re-few other things, maybe you can even call it a reset, .... but Armstrong is on record, he is not doing a rebuild.

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Sir we dont have any top 4 potential lhd other than lindstein. We have parayko faulk kessel on the right side. Lhd is the priority.

Kessel is not a top four. He has filled in admirably kind of like Calle Rosen did last year. Does that make him a top 4?

 

[Robtom18]

Kessel is not a top four. He has filled in admirably kind of like Calle Rosen did last year. Does that make him a top 4?

I wasnt calling him a top 4. He is a rookie and i was just stating that between those three the right side is taken care of. Lhd is the number #1 need

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

I wasnt calling him a top 4. He is a rookie and i was just stating that between those three the right side is taken care of. Lhd is the number #1 need

I will disagree with you. You have no top 4 prospects on the right side and only three in your system that don't even have that as a ceiling. Kessel is a bottom six. Skinner and Biakabutuka if you are familiar with him are probably organizational guys at best. Buchinger, Koromyslov, and Burns probably have equivalent or higher ceilings than Kessel. Lindstein is head and shoulders above all 4. You Just need guys RH or LH that can be top 4 or better and they probably won't be fetched with Buch unless it is in desperation one for one deal. Are you going to trade Snuggerud, Lindstein, and 1st for a top 6 forward that will net you 25 goals? No...you're not. On a very good team, Buch is a top six. Call a spade a spade.....

 

[Robtom18]

I will disagree with you. You have no top 4 prospects on the right side and only three in your system that don't even have that as a ceiling. Kessel is a bottom six. Skinner and Biakabutuka if you are familiar with him are probably organizational guys at best. Buchinger, Koromyslov, and Burns probably have equivalent or higher ceilings than Kessel. Lindstein is head and shoulders above all 4. You Just need guys RH or LH that can be top 4 or better and they probably won't be fetched with Buch unless it is in desperation one for one deal. Are you going to trade Snuggerud, Lindstein, and 1st for a top 6 forward that will net you 25 goals? No...you're not. On a very good team, Buch is a top six. Call a spade a spade.....

Yes what i am saying is parayko and faulk can cover 1 2 rhd while kessel and be # 3. That allows us to draft young top prospects for rhd side. Now then on lhd we have krug who will be gone soon. Leddy on decline and scandella who will be gone next year
.the lhd is most important the rhd.

But agree to disagree

Yes what i am saying is parayko and faulk can cover 1 2 rhd while kessel and be # 3. That allows us to draft young top prospects for rhd side. Now then on lhd we have krug who will be gone soon. Leddy on decline and scandella who will be gone next year
.the lhd is most important the rhd.

But agree to disagree

Snuggerud is a blue chip. Dvorsky blue chip. The kasper cant even break ppg in ahl. Draft pedigree isnt everything and wallinder isnt a shoe in for top 4. The first round picks ours and whom ever buchy fetches will most likely get some our lhd or rhd.

 

[Robtom18]

I will disagree with you. You have no top 4 prospects on the right side and only three in your system that don't even have that as a ceiling. Kessel is a bottom six. Skinner and Biakabutuka if you are familiar with him are probably organizational guys at best. Buchinger, Koromyslov, and Burns probably have equivalent or higher ceilings than Kessel. Lindstein is head and shoulders above all 4. You Just need guys RH or LH that can be top 4 or better and they probably won't be fetched with Buch unless it is in desperation one for one deal. Are you going to trade Snuggerud, Lindstein, and 1st for a top 6 forward that will net you 25 goals? No...you're not. On a very good team, Buch is a top six. Call a spade a spade.....

On a very good team lmfao. Bro buch is a top pairing winger. I bet he is top line on half the teams..just because certain teams are stacked doesnt bring his value you done.


12 days and we will know. If im wrong i will eat crow if ypu are will you. If its somewhere in the middle then we were both half right.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

One of the underrated players in the league. Point per game forward making $5.8M. Stop being prissy and make a real offer. Your third favourite prospect isn't going to be better than him ever. Make a real offer.

Lekkerrimaki + 1st + Mikheyev

Edstrom and a 1st wouldnt get you tarasenko. Buch has 1.5 years thats two playoff pushes. Top d prospect another very good prospect and a 1st.

Blues needs

1) lhd (top prospect)
2) rhd or forward prospect.
3) 1st round pick

Anything less is laughable

Our top lhd is pettersson.

Pettersson, raty and a 1st?

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

Lekkerrimaki + 1st + Mikheyev


Our top lhd is pettersson.

Pettersson, raty and a 1st?

That’s a solid offer

On a very good team lmfao. Bro buch is a top pairing winger. I bet he is top line on half the teams..just because certain teams are stacked doesnt bring his value you done.


12 days and we will know. If im wrong i will eat crow if ypu are will you. If its somewhere in the middle then we were both half right.

I think we’ll both eat chicken because he probably won’t get traded….

 

[BleedBlue14]

Lekkerrimaki + 1st + Mikheyev


Our top lhd is pettersson.

Pettersson, raty and a 1st?

The first one is much more appealing for a multitude of reasons. However, Lekkerimaki is extremely redundant with Snuggerud and Dvorsky to a degree.

Pettersson is t a bad prospect. But he’s a far cry from a sure thing to be an NHL player. But that deal also seems fairly similar to something we could get for Buchnevich next trade deadline.

 

[StlBill]

The first one is much more appealing for a multitude of reasons. However, Lekkerimaki is extremely redundant with Snuggerud and Dvorsky to a degree.

Pettersson is t a bad prospect. But he’s a far cry from a sure thing to be an NHL player. But that deal also seems fairly similar to something we could get for Buchnevich next trade deadline.

Wallinder and a 1st gets it done from VAN. Him and Lindstein were great together in the World Juniors.

 

[TK 421]

Wallinder and a 1st gets it done from VAN. Him and Lindstein were great together in the World Juniors.

Willander and Wallinder are forever destined to be mistaken for one another.

 

[nucksflailtogether]

Wallinder and a 1st gets it done from VAN. Him and Lindstein were great together in the World Juniors.

I don’t think I’d do willander straight up..,he’s too important to our blue lines future. I would ask for him too if I’m the blues but I don’t think it’s happening.