Post-Game Talk: bruins @ Rongos

[NYblades]

This team needs some injury luck first and foremost. I'd hope we see no injuries to the top lines for the next 5 games as start.

 

[Fitzy]

The only positive out of this game is that Shesty is back in Calder consideration

 

[offdacrossbar]

FWIW it's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that DeAngelo was ever going to be part of a Stanley Cup championship for us. He was clearly 3rd banana on our right side. He's not nearly as good an all around defenseman as Fox and not nearly as necessary to the team as Trouba who handles more of the tougher defensive assignments and is important to the penalty kill. With Lundkvist and Schneider on the near horizon he was always going to be the first odd man out and not just because he's not as good or necessary as Fox or Trouba but because his next deal would be negotiated off of a $4.8 mil per year contract which is already too much to carry for your least valuable right side defenseman and one who is not really very good defensively. Clearly he knows how to run a power play but he's not someone you'd want matched up against an opponent's better players. I don't expect Schneider or Lundkvist are really going to have the same defensive issues when they arrive.

might want to check his 5v5 production last 2 full seasons

he was way more that just a PP guy. he produces roughly 1/3 of his points on the man up.

54 even strength points and a +18 overall in 129 games

thats a guy who produces points at even strength and drives possession.

just trying to show both sides. nothing more.

and lastly, he might not be a defensive shutdown guy but please remember, his playing parter was normally marc staal- perhaps the worst numbers in the league last year and now this year it was jack johnson, who might be worse ? and Brendan smith.

ya think thats got anything to do with anything ?

tony screwed the pooch and paid the price. he dumb.

fire quinn.

 

[Synergy27]

I can get behind the positivity associated with truly hanging with the league’s best team in a back to back. That said, their next game is against a bad Devils team that hasn’t played in a month.

Can we all agree that nothing short of a regulation victory is acceptable on Tuesday night? I’d like to get this all in the table now so as to minimize potential rationalization after the fact.

If they lose the next game, regardless of how good they may or may not look, something has got to give.

 

[Bruin4Life]

Last night was the first night where I LOVED the new divisions. Setting up to be some great matches coming up and looking to facing the Rangers more.

 

[Kravtsov420]

This is just my analysis, and I'm not a hockey God, it's just my take on what I'm seeing from the players.

All the veterans out there are playing in their own world and their own scheme. The guys who have been in the NHL for several years all seem to be playing their own style of hockey, making decisions in their own heads without much of a scheme or style imposed on them from above.

We need a coach who imposes a team identity. I'm not saying go full 6 goalie system or 1-3-1 or anything that dramatic. The team needs a coach that will give some notion of what style we are going to play, not just the 'good defense' platitude we've gotten from Quinn.

I love NCAA hockey and think it's the best north american developmental league, but Quinn is very much an NCAA coach. He's simple, and has simple requests of his players. It isn't enough at this level. This team has far too much offensive talent to not be scoring goals. Yes, the improvements in defense have been admirable, but they've come at the cost of any offense whatsoever.

Translation: we need a an X’s and O’s Coach

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I can get behind the positivity associated with truly hanging with the league’s best team in a back to back. That said, their next game is against a bad Devils team that hasn’t played in a month.

Can we all agree that nothing short of a regulation victory is acceptable on Tuesday night? I’d like to get this all in the table now so as to minimize potential rationalization after the fact.

If they lose the next game, regardless of how good they may or may not look, something has got to give.

It’s hockey, so anything can happen on a given night, but yes my expectation is they handily outplay the Devils for 60 min. Anything less would be a disappointment.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

The letter was sent 3/4 of the way through the 2018 season. You the. Has the 2019 season and the 2020 season. This year is all of what, 12 games?

Add ‘em up or take the quantity count up with God

3 years is 3 years, don't know what to tell you. You said years, not seasons, by the way...

 

[Peltz]

man, what a goal that would've been.

I knew what play this was before I even clicked the link lol.

 

[True Blue]

3 years is 3 years, don't know what to tell you. You said years, not seasons, by the way...

Not sure of what to tell you if you can’t see the difference. Context is context

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Not sure of what to tell you if you can’t see the difference. Context is context

Years. Look up what that means. You can do so in a dictionary.

 

[True Blue]

Translation: we need a an X’s and O’s Coach

One that will get this team to out shoot and out chance his opponent, while suppressing high danger opportunities? Agreed.

 

[True Blue]

Years. Look up what that means. You can do so in a dictionary.

Yawn.....

 

[Peltz]

This is just my analysis, and I'm not a hockey God, it's just my take on what I'm seeing from the players.

All the veterans out there are playing in their own world and their own scheme. The guys who have been in the NHL for several years all seem to be playing their own style of hockey, making decisions in their own heads without much of a scheme or style imposed on them from above.

We need a coach who imposes a team identity. I'm not saying go full 6 goalie system or 1-3-1 or anything that dramatic. The team needs a coach that will give some notion of what style we are going to play, not just the 'good defense' platitude we've gotten from Quinn.

I love NCAA hockey and think it's the best north american developmental league, but Quinn is very much an NCAA coach. He's simple, and has simple requests of his players. It isn't enough at this level. This team has far too much offensive talent to not be scoring goals. Yes, the improvements in defense have been admirable, but they've come at the cost of any offense whatsoever.

See, I sort of agree with this, but I'm also a bit conflicted by it too. There are many games this season so far where I feel like we outplayed teams, and ran into unreal goaltending so the offensive effort didn't translate.

But you are what your record says you are. And the team doesn't seem to be very creative offensively. Which is bizarre considering how exciting they were to watch pre-pandemic last year.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Yawn.....

So Buch is playing pretty well so far this season huh? Only scored a non-EN goal in one game, no non-EN goals since game 2 of the season?

 

[True Blue]

So Buch is playing pretty well so far this season huh? Only scored a non-EN goal in one game, no non-EN goals since game 2 of the season?

Yes. He’s playing pretty damn well. Actually the whole team is as a whole.

 

[True Blue]

But you are what your record says you are. And the team doesn't seem to be very creative offensively. Which is bizarre considering how exciting they were to watch pre-pandemic last year.

They are still exciting. The puck has just not found the back of the net. That’s the only difference. And some has to do with ZNad dealing with Covid and Panarin being off

 

[Ola]

FWIW it's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that DeAngelo was ever going to be part of a Stanley Cup championship for us. He was clearly 3rd banana on our right side. He's not nearly as good an all around defenseman as Fox and not nearly as necessary to the team as Trouba who handles more of the tougher defensive assignments and is important to the penalty kill. With Lundkvist and Schneider on the near horizon he was always going to be the first odd man out and not just because he's not as good or necessary as Fox or Trouba but because his next deal would be negotiated off of a $4.8 mil per year contract which is already too much to carry for your least valuable right side defenseman and one who is not really very good defensively. Clearly he knows how to run a power play but he's not someone you'd want matched up against an opponent's better players. I don't expect Schneider or Lundkvist are really going to have the same defensive issues when they arrive.

Maybe, at the same time, if we look at last season, this team was so flat when he was injured and just had another punch when he played. In fact, I think it’s hard to argue against that he was our 3rd best skater last season (by quite a large marginal).

Anyway, I am not saying that it was wrong to cut TDA, I don’t know all details. In fact, I/we know very very little.

But a move made must be a net positive or it wasn’t a good move. Right?

I am just calling it like I see it. I see a coach that is holding to his beliefs and his ways without getting any result. The way I am seeing it, I just don’t attribute much credit to him for how our kids plays regarding the ones that plays well. The one he really have helped — and that will pay off — is Howden. Howden is getting better and will become an important bottom 6 for us. Good kids coming in and doing their stuff like say a Lindgren, nah the coach shouldn’t get the credit for that. Neither should the coach get blamed for like Lias Andersson not cutting it. I had zero problems with DQs use of Kakko last season. This year? I don’t like it one bit. Kakko should have been on the top PP from Day 1 over Strome, instead — Howden — got more PP time than him. That is a power move. Step back and get in line. I am sorry, but you must help the kids.

There is obviously a lot of friction and adversity in our room. Players are not pulling in the same direction. The coach pulls rank and deploys his power at great costs. THIS is on the coach. And maybe it’s necessary, hey it could be. But I am wondering if Gorton is betting on the right horse here. I really do.

 

[Ola]

This is just my analysis, and I'm not a hockey God, it's just my take on what I'm seeing from the players.

All the veterans out there are playing in their own world and their own scheme. The guys who have been in the NHL for several years all seem to be playing their own style of hockey, making decisions in their own heads without much of a scheme or style imposed on them from above.

We need a coach who imposes a team identity. I'm not saying go full 6 goalie system or 1-3-1 or anything that dramatic. The team needs a coach that will give some notion of what style we are going to play, not just the 'good defense' platitude we've gotten from Quinn.

I love NCAA hockey and think it's the best north american developmental league, but Quinn is very much an NCAA coach. He's simple, and has simple requests of his players. It isn't enough at this level. This team has far too much offensive talent to not be scoring goals. Yes, the improvements in defense have been admirable, but they've come at the cost of any offense whatsoever.

But DQ has lost their respect completely. They don’t believe in him, and when they do it his way — like the PP right now — the result is a disaster. A complete disaster.

Remember all those PCs last season when DQ in disgust complained on all the over passing? I mean, it’s not easy. It’s an extreme split second decision, you come into a play a little wrong you can make a pass where you clearly should have taken a shot. But by large, you must move the puck around on the PP. Ziba knows this. Panarin knows this. Our PP was 7th overall last season. To get there the vets — had to — go against the coach. Now the coach has pulled rank and deployed the players in a way that they cannot look for cross ice passes and one-timers. Is it working? No.

The players hold the coach accountable too. He has failed. They are trying to do well despite him. He is trying to prevent them. Intentions are good — but you must perform. It’s extremely obvious that there is a disconnect there.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Years are years. If you don't like how they are counted, take it up with God.

Did God cancel the first 3 months of the season?

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Last night was the first night where I LOVED the new divisions. Setting up to be some great matches coming up and looking to facing the Rangers more.

As much as we're licking our wounds from getting 1 point for two hard fought games, I think these were two well played games . The Bruins are better and more experienced but I honestly think the difference in standings is not an accurate representation of the difference in the quality of the teams. I was proud of how the Rangers fought against you guys. You have a good team that knows how to win though. It was clear they were extremely comfortable holding the lead last game, for example.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Im not down on us yet, i think we need zib and Kreider to be better and i think they will. If you asked everyone last year what we wanted to change about this team we would have collectively said our defensive side of the puck, we seemed to have gotten that fixed, now we just need our star forwards to be stars. The only problem is we are in the toughest division, in a shortened season and unfortunately thats making everyone panic, it sucks but it is what it is, i still think this team can make a run at a playoff spot.

 

[Ola]

I use metrics in analysis and think they are a useful tool, but not everything.

There's a finite number of games that I'm willing to buy the "We played well, just got unlucky and lost" narrative

The metrics cannot separate the real high danger chances. It’s shots taken from areas of the ice in the metrics while in reality it’s about creating havoc. It’s a cliche, but it’s a good way to put it. You need a defense turning heads and scrambling and in that like fail to take out the stick of someone around the net that can put home a rebound.

There are no short cuts and it’s a constant balance. To create that havoc, a lot is about pushing it when moving the puck in certain areas and overloading with players going to the net. The flip side is that when you do just that — you will lose pucks in the wrong areas and not have cover if you lose the puck. You can get good metrics but err way to much on the side of caution — like we have seen many examples of in this league (like LAK). It’s not necessary by design either, it takes personnel too.

 

[Kravtsov420]

One that will get this team to out shoot and out chance his opponent, while suppressing high danger opportunities? Agreed.

Lol shuffling it around the outside of the boards and hoping for wide wrist shots going close to the net is not a strategy. You need high danger scoring chances.

 

[Unpredictable1]

And no one stood up for him after that turd #21 head shot. Really pathetic.

Glad I'm not the only one who was pissed about that. Although not as violent, I lump that with Eakin taking Lundqvist's head off....crickets.

Ritchie needed to answer for that complete coward move - he has a track record of doucheness. Lemieux or maybe Rooney might be the only ones on our roster that could tussle with him though. *maybe* Trouba but that wouldn't be the best option IMO.