Post-Game Talk: bruins @ Rongos

[NYSPORTS]

Kakko and actually most of the team played well. It’s the big guys that need to make hay.

i liked his physical play last night.

Meanwhile, Buch had a fight, Howden got the stick up, Trouba had his skirmish, Lemieux fought . . . was Kreider physical?

 

[Fitzy]

It's time to fire Quinn.

The romance rebuild period is over, this team needs to start thinking about finding a scheme that sees us competing again.

It's been three years since the letter.

 

[egelband]

I can not give Trouba too much grief for tonight, I thought he played relatively well in a I've already accepted what he is going to be sort of way.


Tonight

First off it's true the Bruins are good. Secondly Panarin not playing hurts the Rangers more than we want to admit. Thirdly I was kind of happy to see the Rangers stick up for themselves without a Glass, or McQuaid or whatever. They need to learn do so that and not stand around waiting for that type of player to do it for them. Fourthly or however many drinks I've had, which may be more like eightly, their defensive play has been good, the goalie did not need to make like 5 great saves to just keep them in the game. So the PP stank, the 2nd period stank, and I guess at least me, I did not expect them to beat the Bruins. When they lose to the Devils and Buffalo it disappoints me more so.

I thought the Rangers players stood up for themselves but not for each other, if you know what I mean. And that has been the case for years. They need to get better at that if they’re going to be contenders. But I really don’t know if that’s something that can “develop”. Players are either team guys or they're not. I think we’ve touched on this a lot over the years and I think management sees it. Maybe that’s why we don’t have a Captain. I dunno, just musing.

 

[egelband]

Yeah, I don't want to relive Torts. People blocking shots with their faces. The ghost of Brian Boyle getting 20 minutes a night while mishandling every other puck.

I had my fill...

I don’t want Torts back either, we’ve crossed that bridge. But also I think he deserves more credit than you’re giving him. He actually seems to adjust his system to the players he has. Our roster back in Torts’ day just wasn’t very dynamic. Not sure Scotty Bowman gets more out of that squad.

 

[Off Sides]

I thought the Rangers players stood up for themselves but not for each other, if you know what I mean. And that has been the case for years. They need to get better at that if they’re going to be contenders. But I really don’t know if that’s something that can “develop”. Players are either team guys or they're not. I think we’ve touched on this a lot over the years and I think management sees it. Maybe that’s why we don’t have a Captain. I dunno, just musing.

I thought they took a step in taking care of themselves last night, really something I don't think we'd see if they had a tough guy who's "job" was to take care of it where they would just defer to him doing that on his next shift. Yet I do also agree they need to learn to stick up for each other too, especially the goalies.

The toughness aspect I am less worried about than the how do they convert on offense questions, if they started to convert on the PP or were just leading in score the other team trying to play their toughness card becomes less likely as they would fear being put a man down. Still does not mean they should not be getting in there right after any goalie action as the refs are going to usually if not always let retaliatory stuff go there to a point.

 

[True Blue]

It's been three years since the letter.

It has been 2.25 years since the letter. Hence the team is still in the rebuild stage. Looking at the stats, who is going to come in and do more? What are they going to do differently? The team is suppressing high danger chances. They are constantly out shooting and put chancing their opponents. Honestly, some one else will get them to out shoot and out chance even more?

Such a funny/odd year so far. In the past, there were many instances that the sole reason the team got into the playoffs was because Henke put the team on his back. Shesterkin has been sterling the last 4 games. But maybe the hockey gods got a sense of humor. When Henke robbed to get this team into the playoffs, the reward at the end was a first round exit. Maybe now, there a juxtaposition. The reward will be Beneirs.

 

[Cmox]

Maybe I should put a hockey net way over on the side of my yard and let Trouba shoot for it to knock some of them off.

Also make sure it’s the size of a soccer net.

You think if Trouba aimed for your side of the yard he’d hit the net on the ice?

 

[Lion Hound]

Prior to the game I was hoping that this club would show some emotion and I think they responded well despite the final score. That was one of the more exciting 1-0 losses I can remember.


Few things...

Team took a step forward last night. They stood up for each other. Was good to see. They still don’t fully understand that part though. Lemieux does. Howden does. Every member of the Bruins does. Trouba takes a run at Zboril. Immediately McAvoy goes right after Trouba. Richie takes a liberty on Shesty. Literally hits him right in the head. Rooney takes offense but does he really? If someone hits your Goalie, you better respond. Like immediately. Like an 80’s Lawrence Taylor chasing down a Qb type of response. That particular play happened with Kreider on the ice. That was #20’s chance to step into the leadership role even further. He failed that test...Badly! It starts at the top. Charlie McAvoy isn’t a tough guy. But he was the first to go in to his teammates defense, and is obviously outmatched by Trouba. Why does McAvoy do that? Cause that is tight team who’s leaders have implemented a team tough image that has trickled down to its youth. Chara, Marchand, Bergeron are strong leaders. It shows on the B’s. They stand up for each other. They play well as a team. They know how to win. It’s starts at the top. The Rangers took a step forward with this last night but they still don’t fully get it.

I’m one of the biggest supporters of Chris Kreider on the board. I still feel the same way. I think he is a great teammate, a good leader but in a complementary role. With an “A” sure, as a “C”. I think he failed that test last night. More of a Lieutenant then a Captain. Perhaps the larger issue is does the “committee” captaincy work? Yet to be seen or proven. So far, I don’t think it looks that way.

K’Andre showed he was human last night. Not as confident, and had a few mistakes. He was due somewhat of a letdown game. With that said, I think this kid is on another level that we have yet to truly see his true potential yet. I think he is progressing to be one of the best top pair minute munching defenders this club has ever employed.

Buchnevich is emerging into a leader. You can see the passion he has for the game and for his teammates. Some others should take notice. The kids are seeing it. Buchnevich is a very good teammate and solid character guy for this club.

Kakko is showing signs of another level of play. Getting chances. Creating opportunity. Certainly playing sound defensive two way hockey. It appear maybe the only thing missing is the confidence. A large dose of confidence. Perhaps that would come with some stronger leadership?

Really like the Rangers bottom 6 forwards. Lots of hustle, some aggressive players, some speed, some skill. They need to play more. They are fun to watch. They play for each other. They fit Quinn’s model. If the top 2 lines weren’t so damn Snakebitten the overall consensus would be much different.

Rangers need a leader. A true leader. Both on the ice and in the room. Easier said then done. They have the chips. They need the larger then life personality. Crosby? Getzlaf is nearing the end of his career. Last year of his contract. Malkin?

I would love to see a leader emerge here, but how many years need to pass for that to happen and what is the damage done employing a club without one?

 

[kovazub94]

Kreider played a good grinder’s game at least. And Buchnevich was fine. It’s Mika that really needs to step up on that line, I think.

I think you’re too easy on Kreider. Not good enough even as a grinder.

 

[Ola]

Jesper Fast walked out on this team, liked NY and the fans but thought he could do better than be a part of what was going on.

We can discuss the Tony D mess, but that speaks volumes to me.

You get what you deserve. Torts talks about how they have something really really special going on in Columbus that he is so proud of, but nobody wants to play there and they never win anything. And I mean, it rubs of on the picture of the organization and everyone speaks so highly of them and him. But I want results.

 

[Cmox]

https://www.instagram.com/p/CLNmG0NA554/?igshid=8rsp49ihjqw2

man, what a goal that would've been.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Call me a Neanderthal all you want, but I miss hockey games like last night. Got the emotions running in ways the NHL doesn’t usually anymore.

 

[Machinehead]

It's time to fire Quinn.

The romance rebuild period is over, this team needs to start thinking about finding a scheme that sees us competing again.

It's been three years since the letter.

Yeah, hitting the lottery twice and Fox being Christ incarnate has really sped up our outlook. While that's good news, it's going to be time to level up soon.

As I said in the OP, I think the Martin hire and the new defensive structure are a welcome step but other parts are missing.

We were told Quinn would get them to work and respond. They're doing that. It's time to learn hockey soon.

 

[Machinehead]

Call me a Neanderthal all you want, but I miss hockey games like last night. Got the emotions running in ways the NHL doesn’t usually anymore.

I don't think that's a neanderthal take at all. I enjoyed that game a ton.

The take in have an issue with is that we lost (in a game where we scored zero goals) because we didn't spill *enough* blood.

 

[Fitzy]

It has been 2.25 years since the letter. Hence the team is still in the rebuild stage. Looking at the stats, who is going to come in and do more? What are they going to do differently? The team is suppressing high danger chances. They are constantly out shooting and put chancing their opponents. Honestly, some one else will get them to out shoot and out chance even more?

Such a funny/odd year so far. In the past, there were many instances that the sole reason the team got into the playoffs was because Henke put the team on his back. Shesterkin has been sterling the last 4 games. But maybe the hockey gods got a sense of humor. When Henke robbed to get this team into the playoffs, the reward at the end was a first round exit. Maybe now, there a juxtaposition. The reward will be Beneirs.

This is just my analysis, and I'm not a hockey God, it's just my take on what I'm seeing from the players.

All the veterans out there are playing in their own world and their own scheme. The guys who have been in the NHL for several years all seem to be playing their own style of hockey, making decisions in their own heads without much of a scheme or style imposed on them from above.

We need a coach who imposes a team identity. I'm not saying go full 6 goalie system or 1-3-1 or anything that dramatic. The team needs a coach that will give some notion of what style we are going to play, not just the 'good defense' platitude we've gotten from Quinn.

I love NCAA hockey and think it's the best north american developmental league, but Quinn is very much an NCAA coach. He's simple, and has simple requests of his players. It isn't enough at this level. This team has far too much offensive talent to not be scoring goals. Yes, the improvements in defense have been admirable, but they've come at the cost of any offense whatsoever.

 

[True Blue]

All the veterans out there are playing in their own world and their own scheme. The guys who have been in the NHL for several years all seem to be playing their own style of hockey, making decisions in their own heads without much of a scheme or style imposed on them from above.

We need a coach who imposes a team identity. I'm not saying go full 6 goalie system or 1-3-1 or anything that dramatic. The team needs a coach that will give some notion of what style we are going to play, not just the 'good defense' platitude we've gotten from Quinn.

Suppression of high danger chances and constantly out shooting and out chancing your opponents tell you that there is no system?

 

[Cmox]

Yeah, hitting the lottery twice and Fox being Christ incarnate has really sped up our outlook. While that's good news, it's going to be time to level up soon.

As I said in the OP, I think the Martin hire and the new defensive structure are a welcome step but other parts are missing.

We were told Quinn would get them to work and respond. They're doing that. It's time to learn hockey soon.

I really think a few players would benefit from some one on one training ie: Howden, Gauthier. Shit I think throw in Strome and let them work on their issue together with a coach. All of need a face off coach stat. Get messier on skates and let him show them how to play hockey. And Trouba needs to stop using the Chris Higgins School of Perfect Aim Academy.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

It has been 2.25 years since the letter. Hence the team is still in the rebuild stage. Looking at the stats, who is going to come in and do more? What are they going to do differently? The team is suppressing high danger chances. They are constantly out shooting and put chancing their opponents. Honestly, some one else will get them to out shoot and out chance even more?

Such a funny/odd year so far. In the past, there were many instances that the sole reason the team got into the playoffs was because Henke put the team on his back. Shesterkin has been sterling the last 4 games. But maybe the hockey gods got a sense of humor. When Henke robbed to get this team into the playoffs, the reward at the end was a first round exit. Maybe now, there a juxtaposition. The reward will be Beneirs.

It's over 3 years at this point.

It's the three-year anniversary of the Rangers' rebuilding 'letter' – The Athletic

 

[SnowblindNYR]

man, what a goal that would've been.

I thought that line had a fantastic first period. As good as any with Panarin on it this season. Maybe the Panarin injury was a blessing in disguise.

 

[True Blue]

It's over 3 years at this point.

It's the three-year anniversary of the Rangers' rebuilding 'letter' – The Athletic

Fairly disingenuous considering how many games into the season it is. But ok.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Fairly disingenuous considering how many games into the season it is. But ok.

Years are years. If you don't like how they are counted, take it up with God.

 

[True Blue]

It's over 3 years at this point.

It's the three-year anniversary of the Rangers' rebuilding 'letter' – The Athletic

The letter was sent 3/4 of the way through the 2018 season. You the. Has the 2019 season and the 2020 season. This year is all of what, 12 games?

Add ‘em up or take the quantity count up with God

 

[Fitzy]

Suppression of high danger chances and constantly out shooting and out chancing your opponents tell you that there is no system?

I use metrics in analysis and think they are a useful tool, but not everything.

There's a finite number of games that I'm willing to buy the "We played well, just got unlucky and lost" narrative

 

[True Blue]

I use metrics in analysis and think they are a useful tool, but not everything.

There's a finite number of games that I'm willing to buy the "We played well, just got unlucky and lost" narrative

Not sure of what to tell you. The stats bear our more often than not and they are not really deceiving in this case.

 

[eco's bones]

@chosen I am just saying, there is a difference between making a move that sounds right and making a move that is right.

If you ask Columbus they are the best and have done everything perfectly for years. In fact, they have drafted really well and made many good trades. But after a couple of decades of rebuilding they have made the POs a few times and like won one round. Nobody wants to play there.

Just saying, it sounds really good when our management speaks lately, really really good, I am not really seeing it in terms of how our kids develop, things that happen, how our vets reacts.

I am not satisfied if we sit here in 15 years and hear JD brag about how they are the best most classy organization and tell us a bunch of things that sounds great — if we in those 15 years and have the POs 4 times and won one round while the NYI, NJD, Pitt, Bos and Philly have more than a handful of Cups between them. JMO.

FWIW it's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that DeAngelo was ever going to be part of a Stanley Cup championship for us. He was clearly 3rd banana on our right side. He's not nearly as good an all around defenseman as Fox and not nearly as necessary to the team as Trouba who handles more of the tougher defensive assignments and is important to the penalty kill. With Lundkvist and Schneider on the near horizon he was always going to be the first odd man out and not just because he's not as good or necessary as Fox or Trouba but because his next deal would be negotiated off of a $4.8 mil per year contract which is already too much to carry for your least valuable right side defenseman and one who is not really very good defensively. Clearly he knows how to run a power play but he's not someone you'd want matched up against an opponent's better players. I don't expect Schneider or Lundkvist are really going to have the same defensive issues when they arrive.