Confirmed with Link: Brassard re-signed (5 years, $5M per)

[Zil]

Again, its what the market is... It's not overpaying, its not underpaying, its his market value.

That's garbage. The market didn't force them to give Brassard five years. A smart team doesn't commit to a mediocrity for that kind of term. You can point to Bolland and Clarkson and the like, but I will point out that those deals came from Florida and Toronto. Does anyone want to emulate those front offices?

If he's playing with Kreider or Nash and Zucc, then its realistic we can expect him to get 5-7 more points, which puts him at 50 points.

He spent all season with Zucc and a very good Pouliot last year. I don't know how much more you want his wingers to carry him.

 

[Machinehead]

5 per for a guy who's never had 20 goals or 50 points. ****ing brilliantly done, Glen.

 

[Crease]

That the Rangers don't have an impact forward on an ELC is quickly catching up to them. I have to imagine Staal is going to be traded this season.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

That's garbage. The market didn't force them to give Brassard five years. A smart team doesn't commit to a mediocrity for that kind of term. You can point to Bolland and Clarkson and the like, but I will point out that those deals came from Florida and Toronto. Does anyone want to emulate those front offices?



He spent all season with Zucc and a very good Pouliot last year. I don't know how much more you want his wingers to carry him.

and Tyler Ennis, and BRandon Dubinsky who everyone apparently has a hard on for (for 50 points, if that's all your worried about), and Grabovski, should I keep going? As the cap raises, so will the contracts, you either pay it or don't and lose the player.

 

[NikC]

That the Rangers don't have an impact forward on an ELC is quickly catching up to them. I have to imagine Staal is going to be traded this season.

Not trading Staal for offense is a critical error. Committing big $ to Staal with his injury history and limited skillset would be really bad.

RE Brassard. i don't like that kind of $/term for a player that hasn't done much.

The upside is he still fairly young, but we're counting on him putting up numbers he hasn't yet achieved.. not smart...

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

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7M for 2 3rd line wingers, an extra forward, and 2 defenseman.. that's if we keep Staal at 5.5M per and trade Klein, if we keep Klein and trade Staal, than we have even more.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Not trading Staal for offense is a critical error. Committing big $ to Staal with his injury history and limited skillset would be really bad.

RE Brassard. i don't like that kind of $/term for a player that hasn't done much.

The upside is he still fairly young, but we're counting on him putting up numbers he hasn't yet achieved.. not smart...

Toronto did the same with Bozak, and last year he had 49 points in just about 60 games before he got hurt.

What kind of points do you need to put up to be worth 5M in todays NHL? serious question.

 

[JimmyG89]

That's garbage. The market didn't force them to give Brassard five years. A smart team doesn't commit to a mediocrity for that kind of term. You can point to Bolland and Clarkson and the like, but I will point out that those deals came from Florida and Toronto. Does anyone want to emulate those front offices?



He spent all season with Zucc and a very good Pouliot last year. I don't know how much more you want his wingers to carry him.

If we had someone to replace him, he wouldn't have been signed. We don't have a replacement. It's a 3 year commitment at the least. The final two years can be traded to a cap floor team if he is not worth it or we have a replacement. If he is, you keep him.

Also, Pouliot did play well, but he is a guy who had a 2.3 QO 13 months ago that was not picked up. He just went for 4 years and 16 million. He played with Zuke and Brassard and that was the only group of forwards he produced with. There is a reason two are here and the other is in Edmonton.

I think we all saw the writing on the wall of Staal being traded. He won't be worth the 5.5+ on the 2nd pairing and minimal offense. Oh and for people saying we're trending in the wrong direction.... we just were in the final. We should relax with that and trust management who made this team better every year since 2010, and I believe Torts held this group back with his system.

 

[Zil]

and Tyler Ennis, and BRandon Dubinsky who everyone apparently has a hard on for (for 50 points, if that's all your worried about), and Grabovski, should I keep going? As the cap raises, so will the contracts, you either pay it or don't and lose the player.

Tyler Ennis is 24 and more likely to improve. Dubinsky has a better track record and much better possession stats. So does Grabovski. Brassard isn't in their class. He piles up powerplay points. That's his only strength.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Tyler Ennis is 24 and more likely to improve. Dubinsky has a better track record and much better possession stats. So does Grabovski. Brassard isn't in their class. He piles up powerplay points. That's his only strength.

If... If... If... the bottom line is points is what matters when you get paid... none of them have been worth what they signed for... yet... including Brassard.. but people do get better, if Brassard gets to 50 points regularly with more ice time and a better LW than Pouilot, than he will be worth what a 2nd line center gets, right around 5M.. let it play out, and its not like 5M will be hard to move in a trade if need be.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If we had someone to replace him, he wouldn't have been signed. We don't have a replacement. It's a 3 year commitment at the least. The final two years can be traded to a cap floor team if he is not worth it or we have a replacement. If he is, you keep him.

Also, Pouliot did play well, but he is a guy who had a 2.3 QO 13 months ago that was not picked up. He just went for 4 years and 16 million. He played with Zuke and Brassard and that was the only group of forwards he produced with. There is a reason two are here and the other is in Edmonton.

I think we all saw the writing on the wall of Staal being traded. He won't be worth the 5.5+ on the 2nd pairing and minimal offense. Oh and for people saying we're trending in the wrong direction.... we just were in the final. We should relax with that and trust management who made this team better every year since 2010, and I believe Torts held this group back with his system.

I agree with Staal, we need to move him because he's going to be too expensive to keep as the 2nd best LHD on the team.. probably looking at 5.5M+ to keep him. He will be one of the best if not the best defenseman on the market next off season.

 

[JimmyG89]

That the Rangers don't have an impact forward on an ELC is quickly catching up to them. I have to imagine Staal is going to be traded this season.

Impact forward or defender. It think it would go both ways. Hopefully one of the big group we have contending for spots up front becomes that for this team. Miller, Fast, Lindberg, Kristo, and Haggerty. I c old also see Hagelin being moved at some point too.

 

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7M for 2 3rd line wingers, an extra forward, and 2 defenseman.. that's if we keep Staal at 5.5M per and trade Klein, if we keep Klein and trade Staal, than we have even more.

(a) where's Hagelin and Stempniak?
(b) i don't get the trade Klein or Staal logic.
Someone has to play 3rd pair, Klein is known and proven
Kostka for the 7th D unless Hunwick/Kampfer/Allen/McIlrath earn it over him
(c) Miller/Lindberg/Fast/Hrivik/Bourque or Tarnaski/Mueller/(older)Bourque fill out the forward lines
no more excess veterans, work these other guys into the lineup

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

(a) where's Hagelin and Stempniak?
(b) i don't get the trade Klein or Staal logic.
Someone has to play 3rd pair, Klein is known and proven
Kostka for the 7th D unless Hunwick/Kampfer/Allen/McIlrath earn it over him
(c) Miller/Lindberg/Fast/Hrivik/Bourque or Tarnaski/Mueller/(older)Bourque fill out the forward lines
no more excess veterans, work these other guys into the lineup

This is for the next off season.. rought draft.

and I totally forgot to add Hagelin who is a RFA..: so add another 3M for Hagelin.

 

[Zil]

If... If... If... the bottom line is points is what matters when you get paid... none of them have been worth what they signed for... yet... including Brassard.. but people do get better, if Brassard gets to 50 points regularly with more ice time and a better LW than Pouilot, than he will be worth what a 2nd line center gets, right around 5M.. let it play out, and its not like 5M will be hard to move in a trade if need be.

If? No, Dubinsky and Grabovski are legitimately better. Their play drives possession. Brassard's play does not. He also doesn't win faceoffs, doesn't defend well, and is generally ineffective when not on the powerplay. He does not do nearly enough to help you win to justify that contract. The Rangers would've been much better off taking him to arbitration and then letting him walk after this season if need be.

All you seem to care about is raw point totals and you don't care what wingers he has to piggyback off to put them up. I don't think you realize how bad Brassard is at even strength. He ranked 178 in the league last year in points/60 minutes at even strength last year, tucked between Kris Versteeg and Antoine Vermette. For contrast, Zuccarello ranked 35 and Pouliot (who you seem to think dragged the line down) ranked 103. You're right that the Rangers should reward high point totals with big contracts, but the guy who earned that deal last year was Zuccarello, not Brassard.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

If? No, Dubinsky and Grabovski are legitimately better. Their play drives possession. Brassard's play does not. He also doesn't win faceoffs, doesn't defend well, and is generally ineffective when not on the powerplay. He does not do nearly enough to help you win to justify that contract. The Rangers would've been much better off taking him to arbitration and then letting him walk after this season if need be.

All you seem to care about is raw point totals and you don't care what wingers he has to piggyback off to put them up. I don't think you realize how bad Brassard is at even strength. He ranked 178 in the league last year in points/60 minutes at even strength last year, tucked between Kris Versteeg and Antoine Vermette. For contrast, Zuccarello ranked 35 and Pouliot (who you seem to think dragged the line down) ranked 103. You're right that the Rangers should reward high point totals with big contracts, but the guy who earned that deal last year was Zuccarello, not Brassard.

I never once said I'd take Brassard over Zucc.. I have said ALL ALONG they should have signed Zucc long term.

 

[zuckera1]

I love how Brassard is a "playoff performer" because he had one hot series against Washington. His 12 points in 23 games last year come out to a 42 point season. He's a mid-40s point center. That's what he's been for the last four years. If he was such a playoff stud, then he would've finished higher than a three-way tie for sixth on the team in playoff scoring last year.

Contrary to popular belief, players don't post their best seasons in their late 20s to early 30s. The average player puts up his highest point total at age 25, maintains something close to that until they hit 30, and then drops way off. The aging curve looks like this:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/3/13/5500522/nhl-scoring-stats-rates-age-analysis

You don't give 40-49 point players who do nothing else five year contracts. You just don't. The chances that Brassard suddenly starts potting 50+ points after never doing it before are very, very low. This is ****** deal. The fact that they locked him up long term rather than Zuccarello is ******. This has been an overall ****** offseason and proves that Sather has no idea what actually made them good last year. It's looking more and more likely that 2014 was Hank's only shot at a Cup. And that's the ********* thing.

I agree with this. Players don't reinvent themselves at age 27, by then they're basically finished products and the question is how long can they sustain this level of play. Those expecting Brass to "find another offensive gear" will be sorely disappointed this season and throughout the rest of the contract.

I like Brass, but I don't like this contract. For 5 years I wouldn't have gone a penny over 4.5

I would've rather qualified him and re-evaluated next off season to have more LT flexibility.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I agree with this. Players don't reinvent themselves at age 27, by then they're basically finished products and the question is how long can they sustain this level of play. Those expecting Brass to "find another offensive gear" will be sorely disappointed this season and throughout the rest of the contract.

I like Brass, but I don't like this contract. For 5 years I wouldn't have gone a penny over 4.5

I would've rather qualified him and re-evaluated next off season to have more LT flexibility.

not you.. but in general... so we're *****ing and moaning over 500K?

 

[zuckera1]

I love how Brassard is a "playoff performer" because he had one hot series against Washington. His 12 points in 23 games last year come out to a 42 point season. He's a mid-40s point center. That's what he's been for the last four years. If he was such a playoff stud, then he would've finished higher than a three-way tie for sixth on the team in playoff scoring last year.

Contrary to popular belief, players don't post their best seasons in their late 20s to early 30s. The average player puts up his highest point total at age 25, maintains something close to that until they hit 30, and then drops way off. The aging curve looks like this:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/3/13/5500522/nhl-scoring-stats-rates-age-analysis

You don't give 40-49 point players who do nothing else five year contracts. You just don't. The chances that Brassard suddenly starts potting 50+ points after never doing it before are very, very low. This is ****** deal. The fact that they locked him up long term rather than Zuccarello is ******. This has been an overall ****** offseason and proves that Sather has no idea what actually made them good last year. It's looking more and more likely that 2014 was Hank's only shot at a Cup. And that's the ********* thing.

not you.. but in general... so we're *****ing and moaning over 500K?

I would've been ok with 5 if it was only 3 years.

5 years is a long time for a player with consistency issues who's never hit 20 goals or 50 points, WITHOUT being defensively responsible, good at faceoffs etc.

 

[NYR Viper]

If? No, Dubinsky and Grabovski are legitimately better. Their play drives possession. Brassard's play does not. He also doesn't win faceoffs, doesn't defend well, and is generally ineffective when not on the powerplay. He does not do nearly enough to help you win to justify that contract. The Rangers would've been much better off taking him to arbitration and then letting him walk after this season if need be.

All you seem to care about is raw point totals and you don't care what wingers he has to piggyback off to put them up. I don't think you realize how bad Brassard is at even strength. He ranked 178 in the league last year in points/60 minutes at even strength last year, tucked between Kris Versteeg and Antoine Vermette. For contrast, Zuccarello ranked 35 and Pouliot (who you seem to think dragged the line down) ranked 103. You're right that the Rangers should reward high point totals with big contracts, but the guy who earned that deal last year was Zuccarello, not Brassard.

This thought process of letting him walk after next year because you want to get him for a tiny bit less this year is supremely short-sighted.

There are many teams who would take Brassard on a longer term deal for 5 million. 45-50 point center. He now has quite a bit of playoff experience. In his prime.
this is the type of player Rangers fans normally want to trade FOR. And yet now that the Rangers have one, he is expendable?

 

[ecemleafs]

can we expect more offensive zone starts for brass and step this year with richie gone or did richards really not get that favorable of zone starts last year?

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

I would've been ok with 5 if it was only 3 years.

5 years is a long time for a player with consistency issues who's never hit 20 goals or 50 points, WITHOUT being defensively responsible, good at faceoffs etc.

It will be easily tradeable if need be after year 3.

 

[Zil]

This thought process of letting him walk after next year because you want to get him for a tiny bit less this year is supremely short-sighted.

There are many teams who would take Brassard on a longer term deal for 5 million. 45-50 point center. He now has quite a bit of playoff experience. In his prime.
this is the type of player Rangers fans normally want to trade FOR. And yet now that the Rangers have one, he is expendable?

It's not about the cap hit. It's about the cap hit combined with the term. You don't go to five years for mediocrities like Brassard. We don't have a better option than Brassard this year. That doesn't mean better options won't appear or develop internally. I'd like to be able to bid on Ryan O'Reilly if he reaches free agency in two years (let alone Stamkos or Kopitar should the unthinkable happen and they not agree to extensions). This contract limits our options to improve the roster.

Also, I've pointed this out multiple times now: He's not some great playoff scorer nor should he be expected to improve at this point of the aging curve. He has posted roughly the same point totals four straight seasons now.

 

[eco's bones]

That's garbage. The market didn't force them to give Brassard five years. A smart team doesn't commit to a mediocrity for that kind of term. You can point to Bolland and Clarkson and the like, but I will point out that those deals came from Florida and Toronto. Does anyone want to emulate those front offices?



He spent all season with Zucc and a very good Pouliot last year. I don't know how much more you want his wingers to carry him.

Brassard's not exactly a mediocrity but he's not worth a 5 year $25 million contract to me either. If I were to rank the players according to value to our team he'd probably be somewhere between 10 and 12.

He's a better player than Richards and the Rangers are weakest at center more than any other position. That is a big reason why the Rangers gave him that contract. To me $4 mil per for 2 or 3 years would have been plenty. He might not have been acceptable to that and the Rangers may have feared losing their second best center. Arbitration would have meant a one year deal and next year in the UFA market most likely he'd get that kind of a deal. I can see why the Rangers gave him that deal--just don't think that he's played well enough to earn it.

It is what it is at this point. Most of the players from last year coming back. Hopefully Brassard will pick up the offense because we're going to need it.

 

[Infinitum Vitae*]

People are blowing this contract way out of proportion