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Confirmed with Link: Brassard re-signed (5 years, $5M per)
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On no planet is Zuccarello, who just posted the 35th best even strength scoring rate and 53rd best powerplay scoring rate last season, more replaceable than Brassard (178 and 57 respectively). Zuccarello scores more, has better possession numbers, and defends better than Brassard. And prospects are great, but asking one of them to do better than Zuccarello did last year is an absurd expectation.
Size doesn't matter if the players are high end. Zuccarello was one of our most dangerous forwards against the Kings despite his size. He was one of our few forwards they had trouble knocking off the puck.
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I don't think Brassard is the type of player worth a long term investment. I mean I guess he could always be traded 2-3 years in, but that's never a guarantee.
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I filtered out the defensemen for you. You'll have to refine the list for centers on your own. Happy counting (Brassard's 175 among forwards): http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ds&minutes=750&disp=1&sort=HARTp&sortdir=DESC
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JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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Because he's mediocre at ES, nothing to write home about defensively, and he's basically a stagnant 45 point player with consistency issues
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OK, that's a good case why the $5M cap hit may be too high. But do you have serious issues that he's going to depreciate significantly before he hits 31?
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Brassard got the term, while Zuccarello didn't, because Brassard plays a premium position and has a large enough sample size of time in the league where they know and are comfortable with the kind of production he is capable of and what he can provide a team.
Zuccarello has had one full NHL season, while basically the same age. If he can repeat, they will find a way to fit him in with a long term contract next summer.
It isn't a crime to make players earn their big contract.
Zuccarello has had one full NHL season, while basically the same age. If he can repeat, they will find a way to fit him in with a long term contract next summer.
It isn't a crime to make players earn their big contract.
He's been a good ranger but I'm just not sure about keeping him for that long at that hit with the guys we still have to sign in the next few years.
I thought maybe it'd be 5/4 or 4/4.5 so it's not incredibly far off. The problem is that our "slightly overpaid" (meaning I just wish we had gotten them for maybe a mil or so less AAV) crowd is starting to get impactful. Between Brass, Lundqvist and Glass there is about 3.5 mil too much being spent which is a really decent player or 2 good role players. But with Glass being the obvious exception I'm still glad we retained the guys.
Take about 1 and a half mil off Glass. Sure it's over 60% of his contract but it's still on about 1 M off.
I thought maybe it'd be 5/4 or 4/4.5 so it's not incredibly far off. The problem is that our "slightly overpaid" (meaning I just wish we had gotten them for maybe a mil or so less AAV) crowd is starting to get impactful. Between Brass, Lundqvist and Glass there is about 3.5 mil too much being spent which is a really decent player or 2 good role players. But with Glass being the obvious exception I'm still glad we retained the guys.
Take about 1 and a half mil off Glass. Sure it's over 60% of his contract but it's still on about 1 M off.
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I don't believe in limiting your five-year outlook just because there are no better options in the immediate future. Is investing long-term in powerplay specialists really a great idea? They could've kept him on a one year deal and then seen where they were next year. It's not like he gave them a discount from what he might see in unrestricted free agency.
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Plus that list includes wingers too.
Brassards peers are 3rd line centers.
Where does Brassard rank among his peers? In terms of points? One of the best.
Brassards peers are 3rd line centers.
Where does Brassard rank among his peers? In terms of points? One of the best.
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Don't forget that MSL is most likely going to sign short term low dollar contracts. He'll also be eligible for 35+ signing bonuses which makes him even easier to keep.
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Pretty sure I pointed that out.
Well that's the problem isn't it? His peers are third line centers, but he's now expected to fill the role of a second line center and being paid accordingly.
At this point in their careers? Sure.
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This is INSANE. I like Brass and wanted him back but he is completely one dimensional. Clueless defensively. Big expectations and 40 points with no D ain't cutting it.
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I like advanced stats, but the litmus test is simple: brassard was the Rangers best forward in the 2012 playoffs playing top minutes against top pairings, so theres goes the argument about lesser competition.
His line carried the Rangers for a big chunk of the season when the top 2 lines weren't generating offense.
He centered arguably the best 3rd line in the NHL.
But advanced stats say he's 175th.
Love it.
His line carried the Rangers for a big chunk of the season when the top 2 lines weren't generating offense.
He centered arguably the best 3rd line in the NHL.
But advanced stats say he's 175th.
Love it.
If Brassard scored 40 points the Rangers have a ____% chance of winning the cup
If Brassard scores 50 points the Rangers have a ____% chance of winning the cup
If Brassard scores 60 points the Rangers have a ____% chance of winning the cup
If Brassard scores 50 points the Rangers have a ____% chance of winning the cup
If Brassard scores 60 points the Rangers have a ____% chance of winning the cup
JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK
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That's a 12 game sample size, and 7 of those games were against the Capitals, who, let's face it, were a worse team us on paper.
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Well, it has no place in discussing production. Pat Kane was more productive than Brassard????????
Call CNN.
Brassard is no stranger playing top minutes. 23 points in 25 games in 2013 as a 1st or 2nd line center. His ice time was cut in 2014 in both the regular season and the postseason, yet he finished 4th in team scoring and had three less points than Stepan in the playoffs despite playing FOUR less minutes a game.
