Confirmed with Link: Brassard re-signed (5 years, $5M per)

[AlternateSideParking]

That's a 12 game sample size, and 7 of those games were against the Capitals, who, let's face it, were a worse team us on paper.

Herrrrrrrrrrre we go now.

"Well, those points dont count because............"

On paper lol.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Herrrrrrrrrrre we go now.

"Well, those points dont count because............"

I'm not saying they don't count, I'm just saying take into consideration the team he got a majority of his points against.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Obviously, the Rangers had to keep Brassard. I just would have preferred a shorter commitment. If he is still the Rangers 2nd best C in 3-5 years, that does not bode well for the state of the franchise. He is not close to an ideal 2C and so a long-term commitment at best is a commitment to mediocrity.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

I'm not saying they don't count, I'm just saying take into consideration the team he got a majority of his points against.

So than Mcdonagh's postseason was overrated because most of his points were against the lesser Habs.

Funny I didnt see you bring that up during the playoffs.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

So than Mcdonagh's postseason was overrated because most of his points were against the lesser Habs.

Funny I didnt see you bring that up during the playoffs.

Well Brassard isn't McDonagh. And McDonagh went on to have 7 points in 5 games against the Kings, while Brassard kind of vanished against the Bs.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

You guys can hate the contract all you want. Brassard deserved what he got.

Capgeek is a free website.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Brassard has done literally nothing to earn 5 x 5. Nothing. He may be "worth it" due to market factors but he has proven nothing on the ice to earn that kind of coin.

 

[Thirty One]

And McDonagh went on to have 7 points in 5 games against the Kings

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

4 points

Oops

Not sure why I thought 7

But still did better offensively against the Kings than Brassard did against the Bs

As a defenseman

 

[Thirty One]

I think it's funny how during a lockout, everyone here is whining about how the owner's are giving the players nothing, yet whenever a player gets paid, there's outrage.

I recognize they're not necessarily the same people, but I still find it funny.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Well Brassard isn't McDonagh. And McDonagh went on to have 7 points in 5 games against the Kings, while Brassard kind of vanished against the Bs.

Who had more points than him in the series?

The whole team vanished against Boston.

 

[ecemleafs]

Brassard has done literally nothing to earn 5 x 5. Nothing. He may be "worth it" due to market factors but he has proven nothing on the ice to earn that kind of coin.

market factors determine worth though. if the top players now are signing long term deals with cap hits over 10m than a 2nd/3rd line C will get 5m on the open market. we're only buying out 1 RFA year so much of what we gave him is factoring in what the UFA market is giving the type of player brassard is.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Brassard has done literally nothing to earn 5 x 5. Nothing. He may be "worth it" due to market factors but he has proven nothing on the ice to earn that kind of coin.

Youre right. We should have let him walk in a year and have Lindberg and Miller lead us into the next postseason against Krecji and Bergeron or Crosby and Malkin.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

market factors determine worth though. if the top players now are signing long term deals with cap hits over 10m than a 2nd/3rd line C will get 5m on the open market. we're only buying out 1 RFA year so much of what we gave him is factoring in what the UFA market is giving the type of player brassard is.

Youre right. We should have let him walk in a year and have Lindberg and Miller lead us into the next postseason against Krecji and Bergeron or Crosby and Malkin.

See my previous post. Of course they had to keep him because their C depth is that bad. And in terms of market value it is fair enough. But the 5 year term is the kicker. If he is still their 2nd best C in 3-5 years they are screwed regardless. Career high 47 points. No defensive contributions. Poor at face offs.

 

[Zil]

I like advanced stats, but the litmus test is simple: brassard was the Rangers best forward in the 2012 playoffs playing top minutes against top pairings, so theres goes the argument about lesser competition.

His line carried the Rangers for a big chunk of the season when the top 2 lines weren't generating offense.

He centered arguably the best 3rd line in the NHL.

But advanced stats say he's 175th.

Love it.

They're really not that advanced. It's points per 60 minutes. That's literally how quickly does he score points in comparison to other forward at even strength. He's not very good at it.

Well, it has no place in discussing production. Pat Kane was more productive than Brassard????????

Call CNN.

That's why I told you to pick out the centers. Do you have reading comprehension problems or are you just jerking me around for fun? The bottom line is that Brassard doesn't score at a high rate during even strength play.

Brassard is no stranger playing top minutes. 23 points in 25 games in 2013 as a 1st or 2nd line center. His ice time was cut in 2014 in both the regular season and the postseason, yet he finished 4th in team scoring and had three less points than Stepan in the playoffs despite playing FOUR less minutes a game.

Judging players based on the a few playoff games is dumb. He had a hot streak right after we traded for him. That's all your proof of his clutchness or whatever you're trying to show really says. We have a much bigger sample size known as the regular season and that gives you a much more accurate picture of what Brassard is: He's a consistently mediocre even strength producer who excels on the powerplay. He's also a lousy possession player, bad on faceoffs, and a poor defender if you care about that stuff.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

They're really not that advanced. It's points per 60 minutes. That's literally how quickly does he score points in comparison to other forward at even strength. He's not very good at it.



That's why I told you to pick out the centers. Do you have reading comprehension problems or are you just jerking me around for fun? The bottom line is that Brassard doesn't score at a high rate during even strength play.



Judging players based on the a few playoff games is dumb. He had a hot streak right after we traded for him. That's all your proof of his clutchness or whatever you're trying to show really says. We have a much bigger sample size known as the regular season and that gives you a much more accurate picture of what Brassard is: He's a consistently mediocre even strength producer who excels on the powerplay. He's also a lousy possession player, bad on faceoffs, and a poor defender if you care about that stuff.

A few?

How many Rangers have outscored Brassard over the last two postseasons?

About 35 playoff games. Thats 35 playoff games against the playoff teams and Cup contenders.

And again, he was a 3rd line center.

Why dont you compare him to his peers? Other 3rd line centers.

Name me a 3rd line center who had more points than him?

And I guess you were in a mud hut in Zimbabwe during the Penguins series.

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Funny, when Brassard was scoring clutch goals this postseason, I dont remember anybody saying "there goes the 175th best forward in the game right there."

 

[JC704]

IMO the problem is 5 years. He didn't deserve a long-term deal like that, that's BS. He's never broken 50 points and he's not "good" defensively nor a good penalty killer.

He's 26, turns 27 in September. A fair deal would have been 2-years, $4.5 million per year. He gets a nice raise on what he previously made and the smaller deal pushes him to continue to earn a spot as the Rangers future second line center. If he caves, he caves. If he lives up to the deal, we have a nice trio with Stepan-Brassard-Miller for the forseeable future. If he grossly outplays his contract and we can't afford him, then he has the opportunity to leave in UFA before he turns 29 and get a 5/6-year deal on the open market. It would be a win-win all around for all sides.

If he underperforms, which I expect might happen because he's always been inconsistent, the term of this deal may come back to hurt us a bit and force us to lose Zuccarello or Staal, two superior players.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

See my previous post. Of course they had to keep him because their C depth is that bad. And in terms of market value it is fair enough. But the 5 year term is the kicker. If he is still their 2nd best C in 3-5 years they are screwed regardless. Career high 47 points. No defensive contributions.

Why is the 5 year term the kicker?

You're telling me your big concern is that if he stays at his current level (45-47 point player who ups his production in the playoffs), then in three years time this $5MM AAV contract (paying out $3.5MM in real money) with two years remaining for a legit 2nd line center (even if you want to argue he's bottom third in the league) at the age of 30 will somehow be an anchor on the team's $75-80MM cap?

Best case scenario, he ups his production to 55 or so points and you've got an extremely productive offensive 2C locked up long term for a very manageable number. This is what I think will happen. But if I'm wrong, the worst case is that you've got a Rozsival contract on your hands.

What's the problem? It's all upside.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Brassard got 45 points last season playing with Pouilot and Zucc and 15 of TOI, its likely he will see at least a minute to 2 minute bump in TOI, that along with playing with a new LW presumably Nash or Kreider, could spark him to 5-10 more points.. Is a 50 point player worth 5M nowadays?

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Brassard had 18 power play points, tied for second on the team and one point behind Richards for the team lead.

He also tied for the team lead in PP goals with seven.

Oh, I forgot. Those stats dont count. Only 5-on-5 stats count.

 

[Kakko]

Yeah, I don't see how length is a problem

The cap hit is better every year as the cap goes up

 

[AlternateSideParking]

Brassard got 45 points last season playing with Pouilot and Zucc and 15 of TOI, its likely he will see at least a minute to 2 minute bump in TOI, that along with playing with a new LW presumably Nash or Kreider, could spark him to 5-10 more points.. Is a 50 point player worth 5M nowadays?

Friggin 30-point players are getting that.

 

[LaffyTaffyNYR]

Friggin 30-point players are getting that.

so then, the answer is a clear yes...

 

[Zil]

A few?

How many Rangers have outscored Brassard over the last two postseasons?

About 35 playoff games. Thats 35 playoff games against the playoff teams and Cup contenders.

What are you basing this off? He had one really great series against Washington where he put up 9 points in 7 games. In the 28 playoff games since then he has 15 points in 28 games. That's a 44 point pace. That's what he is and that's what you're going to see from him the vast majority of the time: A mid-40s point total and with no frills attached (ie no faceoffs, no possession, no defensive play).

And again, he was a 3rd line center.

Why dont you compare him to his peers? Other 3rd line centers.

Name me a 3rd line center who had more points than him?

And I guess you were in a mud hut in Zimbabwe during the Penguins series.

They are paying him to be the second line center. He's not going to score a higher points/60 just because Richards is gone. His raw totals might go up slightly with a few extra minutes, but you're not going to see anything dramatic. His production and all around game are underwhelming considering the contract they just gave him.

Funny, when Brassard was scoring clutch goals this postseason, I dont remember anybody saying "there goes the 175th best forward in the game right there."

Ah, I see. Brassard doesn't just score goals. He scores clutch goals. That makes them more special. I'm glad you cleared that up for me.