Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[thusk]

Gregor is not a better 4th line player. He is a cheaper 4th line player. It's amazing how much emphasis some people have put on picking up a few points in pre-season.
Lafferty was traded for cap related reasons, after we wasted 1.35m on Reaves to take his 4th line RW spot and create those cap issues for no reason.

Robertson has been really good, but he's largely replacing the spot Minten had, which he probably should have had from the start.
We do thankfully have some quality internal 4th line depth, so that has helped mitigate the loss of Lafferty.
It unfortunately doesn't get rid of the dead cap (or worse) we have invested in Reaves for the next 3 years though.

lafferty was not amaizing last season, in pre-season was invisible...robertson, minten, cowan, gregor all been better than lafferty... so if we shpuld stay to who deserved to be in thr line up

at the e. Lafferty was not in top 14 best player when the season started with what he showed.. and leafs had a decision to take, Minten had been too good to dont get a least a shot in rehular season, gregor earn his contract... so leafs had a choice to make they cannot keep everyone in the roster. They keep players who was playing to stay in the line up and traded away lafferty who wouldn't clear waiver...

Reaves had been signed to try 5o create a kind of team friendship, kind of team spirit than everyone need to protect everyone but maybe underrated how much reaves game downgraded

but even without reaves, i know sure if lafferty would still have a starting spot because like i said during pre-season game, he was bringing absolutly nothing to the team

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I’d take Reaves in a fight over Lafferty every time. If they were competing for the same role (they weren’t) they kept the right one.

Why does everyone keep pointing out that Reaves was brought in to play some special “role” as if that makes the decision to sign him less idiotic?

 

[Leaf Fans]

Gregor is not a better 4th line player. He is a cheaper 4th line player. It's amazing how much emphasis some people have put on picking up a few points in pre-season.
Lafferty was traded for cap related reasons, after we wasted 1.35m on Reaves to take his 4th line RW spot and create those cap issues for no reason.

Robertson has been really good, but he's largely replacing the spot Minten had, which he probably should have had from the start.
We do thankfully have some quality internal 4th line depth, so that has helped mitigate the loss of Lafferty.
It unfortunately doesn't get rid of the dead cap (or worse) we have invested in Reaves for the next 3 years though.

Actually, Lafferty was traded after he lost out to Gregor at training camp.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Why does everyone keep pointing out that Reaves was brought in to play some special “role” as if that makes the decision to sign him less idiotic?

There are two reasons why Reeves' role is pointed out. The first is because there is a myth being spread that he is the reason Lafferty was traded - He was out played by Gregor in trading camp. The second is that it was not idiotic to sign him. The GM thought that he would bring benifits on and off the ice That remains to be seen at this point.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Please, for the love or God, can we move on from Sam Lafferty. This is cringe levels now.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

The GM thought that he would bring benifits on and off the ice That remains to be seen at this point.

“the move wasn’t bad because the GM thought it would be good”

It seems like we already have a conclusion on the potential on-ice benefits. So he must be baking some awesome cakes for the guys and organizing some unreal laser tag outings

 

[Dekes For Days]

lafferty was not amaizing last season, in pre-season was invisible...robertson, minten, cowan, gregor all been better than lafferty...

Lafferty was a solid player for us last season, is more than capable as a 4th liner, and no, they were not all better than Lafferty in preseason. And the person who for sure wasn't better than Lafferty was Reaves, and yet he was handed the 4th line RW spot over Lafferty and was overpaid to the point of needing to trade Lafferty for cap related reasons.

Reaves had been signed to try 5o create a kind of team friendship

Then they should have signed him as a friendship coach. We're here to play hockey.

but even without reaves, i know sure if lafferty would still have a starting spot

Of course he would. He'd likely be our 11th best forward, we wouldn't have anybody occupying his 4th line RW spot, and we'd have the cap space to keep him like the team wanted.

 

[DarkKnight]

The elevation of Lafferty by some here now is comical. Can’t wait for the video tribute. Such a MEH player here, so whatever.

 

[Funk21]

Can we all just agree that Tre is not a good GM and this off-season was pretty much a disaster.

Klingberg was not the player we need under any circumstances and why we signed him is beyond me. About the only saving grace is that he may put on Robidas island because if his wanky hips.

Second, the Reeves signing looks like an absolute disaster a meer what 20 games in-I know slightly less. What was the brain trust thinking.

Lastly Nylander has come out like a beast and we played hardball over what 500K. Now it looks not only can we not afford him the team can’t afford to lose him. Morons.

 

[rocketman588]

Lafferty was at best below avg last year.

I was more upset we lost Accari then him and even he isn't lighting the world on fire in Pittsburgh.

If you want to shit on him shit on him for Klinberg instead of (insert D man here) but complaining about not keeping an ok player here makes no sense

 

[thusk]

Lafferty was a solid player for us last season, is more than capable as a 4th liner, and no, they were not all better than Lafferty in preseason. And the person who for sure wasn't better than Lafferty was Reaves, and yet he was handed the 4th line RW spot over Lafferty and was overpaid to the point of needing to trade Lafferty for cap related reasons.

Then they should have signed him as a friendship coach. We're here to play hockey.

Of course he would. He'd likely be our 11th best forward, we wouldn't have anybody occupying his 4th line RW spot, and we'd have the cap space to keep him like the team wanted.

if a gm have to choose between a 4th line player who can give you 20 pts and nothing else or a 4th giving you 15 but with intangible... Every Gm will choose the q5 pts with intangible. thats why thry signed reaves but the on ice was worst than what they anticipates.. so didn't get the result they was hoping for.

but at the end, the leafs are they worst tha last season, i dont think so

absolutly nothing lafferty doing than gregor cant do in a similar role/ type of player at 400K less...

 

[IPS]

The elevation of Lafferty by some here now is comical. Can’t wait for the video tribute. Such a MEH player here, so whatever.

Will he be joining Denis Malgin in the Leafs' next round of HOF inductees?

 

[IPS]

I thought Lafferty had good speed but his hands were really bad and couldn’t give us the Engvall with more snarl I thought he was here for.

At his cap hit it doesn’t seem like that much of a loss, although any living breathing pro hockey player in the NHL and AHL is probably more functional than Reaves. Not a referendum on a tough guy. But Reaves is not hitting, not fighting, not doing any appropriate momentum changing work, and unable to play basic hockey.

Luckily we have guys like Robertson pushing for more ice time and we can fill that Lafferty role internally.

Stephen you're giving him too much credit.

Lafferty was about as forgettable as a 4th-liner as there ever was. If you're mourning this guy's loss from the team you should go see a shrink.

These same people doing that are literally the same people telling us trading Mason Marchment was no biggie cause it was Dubas who did it.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Stephen you're giving him too much credit.

Lafferty was about as forgettable as a 4th-liner as there ever was. If you're mourning this guy's loss from the team you should go see a shrink.

These same people doing that are literally the same people telling us trading Mason Marchment was no biggie cause it was Dubas who did it.

They have the same amount of goals and a 1 point difference, except one of them makes 4.5 mil.

 

[GoonieFace]

Gregor is Lafferty, Lafferty is Gregor, Lafferty is Keyser Soze

 

[kb]

Stephen you're giving him too much credit.

Lafferty was about as forgettable as a 4th-liner as there ever was. If you're mourning this guy's loss from the team you should go see a shrink.

These same people doing that are literally the same people telling us trading Mason Marchment was no biggie cause it was Dubas who did it.

Marchment is a $4.5 million 4th liner who had one hot 3-4 week stretch in his career.

Maybe he made the right call trading him?

 

[ACC1224]

Why does everyone keep pointing out that Reaves was brought in to play some special “role” as if that makes the decision to sign him less idiotic?

No one has done that I’ve seen.
You don’t believe he was brought in for a special role? Seemed obvious he was.

 

[kb]

No one has done that I’ve seen.
You don’t believe he was brought in for a special role? Seemed obvious he was.

Sit in the pressbox for 3 seasons eating up cap space?

 

[Leaf Fans]

“the move wasn’t bad because the GM thought it would be good”

It seems like we already have a conclusion on the potential on-ice benefits. So he must be baking some awesome cakes for the guys and organizing some unreal laser tag outings

If that is the way you want to put it I suppose but I think GMs can make bad moves. It doesn't seem like that at all. I have no idea what he is doing off the ice. He might be baking cakes and playing laser tag if that is something that brings the team together.

 

[Dekes For Days]

if a gm have to choose between a 4th line player who can give you 20 pts and nothing else or a 4th giving you 15 but with intangible... Every Gm will choose the q5 pts with intangible

Whether or not that's true, that's not the decision that was being made here, and it's concerning if Treliving thought it was. Lafferty not only produces more, but also knows what defense means and can PK, while Reaves produces next to nothing and is also completely useless in every other way. Lafferty is also cheaper and not signed for 3 years in his late 30s as he's completely breaking down.

but at the end, the leafs are they worst tha last season, i dont think so

Yes, objectively they are so far. Our underlying metrics have fallen off quite a bit, and the only reason we're not in a worse place is timely explosive scoring from our top players and going 5-2 in OT/SO.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

The worst part of Treliving's performance so far was his attempt at fixing left wing.

Just another failure in a long string of failures at that position. It's been a revolving door of different players over the years. Guys like Thornton, Ritchie, and Bertuzzi.

Players with as much in common with each other as I have with a salad.

A cast of characters resembling those from the Island Of Misfit Toys. A hodge podge of do-nothings that have accomplished exactly that: nothing. But since the team is strong elsewhere it keeps getting glossed over.

Like that mole on Cindy Crawford's face.

The rest looks good enough you can just pretend it isn't there. Even though every time you look it's all you can see. An obvious blemish on what is otherwise an impressive body of work overall.

If Treliving could cover that up somehow his performance would look a lot better.

 

[Mess]

The worst part of Treliving's performance so far was his attempt at fixing left wing.

Just another failure in a long string of failures at that position. It's been a revolving door of different players over the years. Guys like Thornton, Ritchie, and Bertuzzi.

Players with as much in common with each other as I have with a salad.

A cast of characters resembling those from the Island Of Misfit Toys. A hodge podge of do-nothings that have accomplished exactly that: nothing. But since the team is strong elsewhere it keeps getting glossed over.

Like that mole on Cindy Crawford's face.

The rest looks good enough you can just pretend it isn't there. Even though every time you look it's all you can see. An obvious blemish on what is otherwise an impressive body of work overall.

If Treliving could cover that up somehow his performance would look a lot better.

I guess the former GM should have been smart enough to keep Zach Hyman but he thought it was better to keep Justin Holl and Alex Kerfoot for the same cap usage.

Hyman was a beast when it came to work ethic and effort and fit seamlessly on either of Leafs top 2 lines at LW with either Matthews or Tavares.

Treliving couldn't get rid of Holl and Kerfoot fast enough and now Bertuzzi at the same cap hit as Zach Hyman patrols a top 6 spot.

 

[Lemontree]

I guess the former GM should have been smart enough to keep Zach Hyman but he thought it was better to keep Justin Holl and Alex Kerfoot for the same cap usage.

Hyman was a best when it came to work ethic and effort and fit seamlessly on either of Leafs top 2 lines at LW wit either Matthews or Tavares.

Treliving couldn't get rid of Holl and Kerfoot fast enough and now Bertuzzi at the same cap hit as Zach Hyman patrols a top 6 spot.

Careful, the Dubas crew love Justin Holl. They like to ignore the fact that Tre filled his role on the team (3rd pairing Dman) with league minimum UFA signings without skipping a beat.

 

[DarkKnight]

Exciting news, the shipment of bronze has arrived at MLSE. In our hearts and minds forever Sam, one of the greats….

 

[thusk]

Whether or not that's true, that's not the decision that was being made here, and it's concerning if Treliving thought it was. Lafferty not only produces more, but also knows what defense means and can PK, while Reaves produces next to nothing and is also completely useless in every other way. Lafferty is also cheaper and not signed for 3 years in his late 30s as he's completely breaking down.

Yes, objectively they are so far. Our underlying metrics have fallen off quite a bit, and the only reason we're not in a worse place is timely explosive scoring from our top players and going 5-2 in OT/SO.

and gregor had been signed like 400 under lafferty and even with reaves burried contract if hes waived, still dont raide leafs cap hit. Gregorbknow what d meaning and can play in PK and his overal game is pretty similar to laffetty... so the final result at the end doesn't change anything on that side sorry.


zar- kampf- malgin was the 4th line for major part of last season first 1/4 just like that... but go ahead .... and since mcmann replaced reaves, 4th line had 2 goal in 3 game. .