Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[thusk]

Alright, well, here are some hard facts so you can tell me how much better the 4th line is now.

Gregor has been on for 3GF and 7GA.

Malgin on the 4th line was 3GF and 4GA, then 5GF and 7GA overall.

One of these is MUCH better than the other.

malgin was brinfing absolutly nothing, sorry

gregor with reaves on the ice was 0 gf for and 8 against, without reaves on the ice is 4 goal for 0 against

just like that

 

[DarkKnight]

Careful, he is a "line driver". Malgin and Lafferty would be 2/3rds of an elite 4th line, some may say.

This is where these guys are laughable, there are 32 teams in this league, they’re arguing Malgin is quite effective, yet NOBODY saw fit to sign him. Come on. Being a Dubist is a tough gig.

 

[notbias]

This is where these guys are laughable, there are 32 teams in this league, they’re arguing Malgin is quite effective, yet NOBODY saw fit to sign him. Come on. Being a Dubist is a tough gig.

I think it is idiotic that half the board and Treliving (and at least one other GM) thought signing Reaves was a good idea... maybe GMs and this board are not as smart as they think...

Gregor was also not signed and now some are singing his praise, it is very odd, your post makes no sense at all.

The only person who wanted Gregor was a guy who signed Huberdeau to his contract and Reaves to his contract... a great player evaluator...

 

[ACC1224]

Ok so we agree that the idea for Reaves special role was dumb and unnecessary. Treliving came up with this mandatory role, then arbitrarily decided that Lafferty could not fill it but Reaves could so he signed Reaves. Then later moved out Lafferty. So how did he not choose Reaves over lafferty? Lmfao

There was nothing arbitrary about it, Reaves replaced Simmonds role. Reaves and Lafferty were never filling the same role, may as well say Klingberg forced Lafferty out.
It's weird, you agree and sound confused at the same time.

 

[Apex Predator]

He drove play... if you could read past the first line (it is a lot), you'd see that I think they'd produce around the same, but probably get scored on less.

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There are all of Gregor's lines, so all the 4th lines.

Malgin's 4th line was at 48.5%... better than anything from Gregor/Kampf.

Better play driving line...

If Malgin was this good of a like driver don’t you think he’d still be in the NHL? He’s another dine a dozen 4th liner that everyone hypes up.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

There was nothing arbitrary about it, Reaves replaced Simmonds role. Reaves and Lafferty were never filling the same role, may as well say Klingberg forced Lafferty out.
It's weird, you agree and sound confused at the same time.

Who comes up with the idea for that role though… the GM!

 

[Lemontree]

If Malgin was this good of a like driver don’t you think he’d still be in the NHL? He’s another dine a dozen 4th liner that everyone hypes up.

The problem with players like Malgin, Nic Petan and other Dubas "free wallets" are that there NHL offensive production leads to them needing to play 4th line minutes because they can't produce enough offensive to be played in the top 9. The players skillset, mindset and type of player they are do not lend to anything that good teams want on their 4th line.

Most teams today still want a 4th line that can be grinding, scrappy, hard hitting, forecheck, and change the momentum of the game with a couple of shifts. Those guys can't/don't do anything of those things, they are NHL/AHL tweeners, Dubas thought he could "change the game" with having these type of players throughout the lineup and it never worked.

 

[thusk]

I think it is idiotic that half the board and Treliving (and at least one other GM) thought signing Reaves was a good idea... maybe GMs and this board are not as smart as they think...

Gregor was also not signed and now some are singing his praise, it is very odd, your post makes no sense at all.

The only person who wanted Gregor was a guy who signed Huberdeau to his contract and Reaves to his contract... a great player evaluator...

hes also the guy who bring in Hanifin/ Lindholm

signed huberdeau is exactly exemple if toronto trading nylander and the team who get him resigned him at 10,5M with a long term contract and nylander becoming as trash than huberdeau right now... sorry nobody in this world just could imagine that possible but its exactly whats happened with huberdeau

maybe his mistake was to sign huberdeau too soon but after you just saw your 2 best player making everything they can to move out of town, its pretty easy to understand why he didn't wait for an huberdeau extension. when nobody want to come playing/resign in your team

 

[ACC1224]

Who comes up with the idea for that role though… the GM!

That's correct and it seems that every one thats been employed here feels the need to fill it,

 

[Guided by Veseys]

lafferty is not a RW, his primary position is C or his second position is LW , his 3rd position RW...but go ahead focusing on RW for no reason...

klinberg had been terrible but its also pretty hard to evaluate, he played injured all season long and never played healthy in Toronto.

Hey that is interesting. I just went back and looked at Blackhawks submitted lineups while he was on the team and you are right about the the Center part; he certainly appears to be listed as Center on the majority of games.

 

[ACC1224]

Hey that is interesting. I just went back and looked at Blackhawks submitted lineups while he was on the team and you are right about the the Center part; he certainly appears to be listed as Center on the majority of games.

Now you've done it, prepare yourself!

 

[Guided by Veseys]

Now you've done it, prepare yourself!

Yeah! And even last season for a small sample he centred a line with Nylander on the right wing. Barf.

 

[Gallagbi]

Hey that is interesting. I just went back and looked at Blackhawks submitted lineups while he was on the team and you are right about the the Center part; he certainly appears to be listed as Center on the majority of games.

You didnt know he could play C? Im pretty sure Vancouver has him at C now

 

[Guided by Veseys]

You didnt know he could play C? Im pretty sure Vancouver has him at C now

I forgot. But it’s been repeated here ad nauseam that he was RW and therefore lost his job to Reaves who is also RW. Not lauding the Reaves signing, I just thought however that the notion that Lafferty was gone once Reaves was signed was kind of bunk.

 

[Gallagbi]

I forgot. But it’s been repeated here ad nauseam that he was RW and therefore lost his job to Reaves who is also RW.

He lost his job on the fourth line. He's commonly been C and RW throughout his career, ive never seen him on LW - but there could be a number of reasons why and/or i could have simply missed it (nobody goes out of their way to watch the recent Hawks teams)

I dont think he had a hope of taking Kampf's job, but was our 4th line RW heading into summer. The Reaves signing cemented his role (baffling, i know) and pushed him into a competition for his off wing.

Personally i still like the Gregor - Kampf - Laff option as our best 4th line

 

[GoonieFace]

I’m not sure which is worse, the fact that someone has claimed Dennis Malgin is a line driver, or Saved by the Bell: The College years. Please discuss

 

[arso40]

Alright, well, here are some hard facts so you can tell me how much better the 4th line is now.

Gregor has been on for 3GF and 7GA.

Malgin on the 4th line was 3GF and 4GA, then 5GF and 7GA overall.

One of these is MUCH better than the other.

One also has reeves which one doesnt

 

[IPS]

I’m not sure which is worse, the fact that someone has claimed Dennis Malgin is a line driver, or Saved by the Bell: The College years. Please discuss

He's doing a great job being a line driver in Switzerland nowadays.

 

[Lemontree]

I’m not sure which is worse, the fact that someone has claimed Dennis Malgin is a line driver, or Saved by the Bell: The College years. Please discuss

I'll take Denis Haskins over Dennis Malgin every day of the week, although I don't know if Mr. Belding ever appeared in the the college years show.

I willing to bet that more people in Toronto were entertained by The College Years than watching Malgin skate around in circles and not produce any offense on the Leafs.

He's doing a great job being a line driver in Switzerland nowadays.

The way he played when he was here, he should have been a bus driver.

 

[kb]

The issue with Reaves is this, and why it is an issue no matter what the naysayers say. When everyone is healthy, the Leafs can only carry 20 players. That is a huge issue.

If they could carry 21, there is no issue with Reaves.

 

[DarkKnight]

The issue with Reaves is this, and why it is an issue no matter what the naysayers sat. When everyone is healthy, the Leafs can only carry 20 players. That is a huge issue.

If they could carry 21, there is no issue with Reaves.

Okay, but what were people saying last year when we could only carry 20 at times under Dubas? I’ll bet it all the same posters argued the Marlies are right there, blah, blah, blah.

To be clear, it’s a bust move, it just isn’t the crippling signing elevated here. It’s a minor irritant.

 

[kb]

Okay, but what were people saying last year when we could only carry 20 at times under Dubas? I’ll bet it all the same posters argued the Marlies are right there, blah, blah, blah.

Yes, but last year the Leafs had no one as horrific at hockey as Reaves as part of their 20 - they have to play him when everyone returns unless they waive or trade him.

The 4th line is a disaster when Reaves plays. At least last season, they could use Marlies whenever they wanted. That's what smart management does....provide flexibility for lineups. Tre needs to figure this out ASAP.

 

[DarkKnight]

Yes, but last year the Leafs had no one as horrific at hockey as Reaves as part of their 20 - they have to play him when everyone returns unless they waive or trade him.

The 4th line is a disaster when Reaves plays. At least last season, they could use Marlies whenever they wanted. That's what smart management does....provide flexibility for lineups.

I honestly don’t think he plays much anymore, the odd game here or there. Would be nice to have the extra player, but they do like him in the room and the same arguments apply to when Dubas has less to work with, lots of up and down. I’m actually not enamoured with anyone in the AHL now, with Bobby up, we’re good. Holmberg if we need him, Abr and Steeves I’m not big on at all.

 

[kb]

I honestly don’t think he plays much anymore, the odd game here or there. Would be nice to have the extra player, but they do like him in the room and the same arguments apply to when Dubas has less to work with, lots of up and down. I’m actually not enamoured with anyone in the AHL now, with Bobby up, we’re good. Holmberg if we need him, Abr and Steeves I’m not big on at all.

I like Reaves...love having the reigning NHL "King" as insurance.

If Kling goes on LTIR, then there are zero worries - more than enough cap space, and the leafs can take a swing at a crease clearing D.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Malgin-Kampf-ZAR was actually pretty decent for us, so I'm not really sure your point. In Gregor, we get a bit lesser player for a bit less money, which is at least acceptable. But we're not talking about 4th line LW. We're talking about 4th line RW, and Treliving's decision to choose Reaves over Lafferty. That was the bad decision.

Treliving filled his role on the team with Klingberg, and it's been a complete disaster.

We are also talking about the fact that Lafferty lost his job to Gregor which was the reason Lafferty was traded.