Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Dekes For Days]

lafferty is not a RW

His two most common line combinations in the regular season were ZAR-Kampf-Lafferty and Kerfoot-Acciari-Lafferty. 4th line RW in both.
His two most common line combinations in the playoffs were ZAR-Kampf-Lafferty and Kerfoot-Kampf-Lafferty. 4th line RW in both.
In fact, he doesn't have 10 minutes in a line combination that features him as LW with us, regular season or playoffs.
And yet here we are, repeatedly bringing up the 4th line LW that doesn't matter, when the issue is Treliving choosing Reaves over Lafferty.

William Legesson is playing that role. Did Justin Holl play the point on the power play #1? Tre stated the reason why Klingberg was signed was to improve the offense from the back end, that was never the role Justin Holl played or was meant to play.

William lagesson is playing the role of league minimum 8th defenseman, to play ~14 minutes a night on the 3rd pairing in case of injury. More similar to the Benn, Mete, Timmins, etc. of last year. Klingberg was signed to fill the 20 min a night roster spot on the 2nd pairing that Holl had filled. Filling that with a broken down has been that sucks defensively, can't PK, and needs to be pumped with prime PP time is another discussion entirely, but that's what Treliving decided for that spot.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I think it is idiotic that half the board and Treliving (and at least one other GM) thought signing Reaves was a good idea... maybe GMs and this board are not as smart as they think...

Gregor was also not signed and now some are singing his praise, it is very odd, your post makes no sense at all.

The only person who wanted Gregor was a guy who signed Huberdeau to his contract and Reaves to his contract... a great player evaluator...

I don't think you can use those two players to say someone is a great player evaluator: One hasn't worked out in Calgary and the other, though early, hasn't fit in Toronto as of yet.

 

[thusk]

His two most common line combinations in the regular season were ZAR-Kampf-Lafferty and Kerfoot-Acciari-Lafferty. 4th line RW in both.
His two most common line combinations in the playoffs were ZAR-Kampf-Lafferty and Kerfoot-Kampf-Lafferty. 4th line RW in both.
In fact, he doesn't have 10 minutes in a line combination that features him as LW with us, regular season or playoffs.
And yet here we are, repeatedly bringing up the 4th line LW that doesn't matter, when the issue is Treliving choosing Reaves over Lafferty.

William lagesson is playing the role of league minimum 8th defenseman, to play ~14 minutes a night on the 3rd pairing in case of injury. More similar to the Benn, Mete, Timmins, etc. of last year. Klingberg was signed to fill the 20 min a night roster spot on the 2nd pairing that Holl had filled. Filling that with a broken down has been that sucks defensively, can't PK, and needs to be pumped with prime PP time is another discussion entirely, but that's what Treliving decided for that spot.

leafs used lafferty there because it was where they needed him...but his primary position in NHL still center and its by far the position he played the most in the NHL and its not even close. Lafferty is just a guy who can play all 3 foward position..

so i using your logic... if lafferty main position is C ( so probably cant play anywhere else, look like the way youre thinking) so leafs chose kampf over lafferty...

 

[Dekes For Days]

leafs used lafferty there because it was where they needed him...but his primary position in NHL still center and its by far the position he played the most in the NHL and its not even close. Lafferty is just a guy who can play all 3 foward position..

He is capable of playing multiple positions, but we have primarily had him at 4th line RW, and that is where he was slotted prior to the Reaves signing.
I don't care about the 4th line LW. I don't care about the 4th line C (well, I care a bit about how much we paid Kampf but that's another issue).
I care about Treliving's decision to choose Reaves over Lafferty for 4th line RW.

 

[thusk]

He is capable of playing multiple positions, but we have primarily had him at 4th line RW, and that is where he was slotted prior to the Reaves signing.
I don't care about the 4th line LW. I don't care about the 4th line C (well, I care a bit about how much we paid Kampf but that's another issue).
I care about Treliving's decision to choose Reaves over Lafferty for 4th line RW.

no lafferty was slotted LW/C/RW. its the part you dont want to understand. lafferty could start c on 3rd line or 4th line LW... he had 2 spot he was able to take, he just failed.

lafferty was fighting for the 11-12th and spot in the line up but its gregor and minten ( to start the season) who earned it.

with timmins on LTIR, leafs didn't had to trade lafferty, he was just not on team plan so they traded him unstead of losing him for nothing on waiver...

 

[Leaf Fans]

no lafferty was slotted LW/C/RW. its the part you dont want to understand. lafferty could start c on 3rd line or 4th line LW... he had 2 spot he was able to take, he just failed.

lafferty was fighting for the 11-12th and spot in the line up but its gregor and minten ( to start the season) who earned it.

with timmins on LTIR, leafs didn't had to trade lafferty, he was just not on team plan so they traded him unstead of losing him for nothing on waiver...

This is exactly how things played out in Toronto.

 

[Peasy]

I wonder how many more posts until the name Lafferty isnt written on a page.

 

[Stephen]

He's doing a great job being a line driver in Switzerland nowadays.

I hear he's so good he's an uber driver in Switzerland...

 

[ACC1224]

I wonder how many more posts until the name Lafferty isnt written on a page.

It’ll be years. Christ some are still longing for Malgin.

 

[Stephen]

The issue with Reaves is this, and why it is an issue no matter what the naysayers say. When everyone is healthy, the Leafs can only carry 20 players. That is a huge issue.

If they could carry 21, there is no issue with Reaves.

There'd be nothing wrong with Reaves if he could read the emotional temperature of a game and did something physical, or actually see teammates in trouble and do something physical. Or finish a check on every shift. But there is something very wrong when he tries to cozy up to the media with his sound bites and try to impersonate a generic 4th liner out there while racking up a pro rated -60 +/- in a dozen or so games. That's probably why he's put himself in the dust bin so quickly.

 

[Stephen]

It’ll be years. Christ some are still longing for Malgin.

Lafferty's hype is almost entirely based on the fact he scored points in 2 straight games. A 1 goal effort vs Nashville and a 1 G 1 A explosion in a 10-1 win over San Jose.

Since then, 2 assists in 8 games. Nothing Nick Robertson didn't adequately replace on the third line and nothing Bobby McMann didn't give us in a pinch.

 

[GoonieFace]

I’m wondering if the lack of Lafferty is holding up the Nylander negotiations. It’s seems like too much of a coincidence

 

[Dekes For Days]

no lafferty was slotted LW/C/RW

Except that's not true, as I showed you. Lafferty primarily played RW for us, He occasionally played center for us. He never played any meaningful minutes at LW for us. It's amazing how much Gregor has been propped up based on 3 points and a few flashy moments in 5 AHL-level pre-season games in which he still got caved in defensively, had a 36.93 xGF%, and got outscored 5-3 while on the ice.

Even putting aside that Lafferty was a better player than others making the roster, know who for sure didn't earn a spot over Lafferty? Reaves.
Know who Treliving put on the team instead of Lafferty (and given Lafferty's roster spot and money)? Reaves. That's the problem that you keep avoiding.

As for the trade, Keefe himself said it was cap related. Even with the Timmins injury that was expected to be short term, we would have been forced into a 20 man roster as we prepared to go halfway around the world for weeks, lost the option to sign Gregor, lost our trade option for Lafferty, and then been screwed when Timmins came back.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

I guess the former GM should have been smart enough to keep Zach Hyman but he thought it was better to keep Justin Holl and Alex Kerfoot for the same cap usage.

Hyman was a beast when it came to work ethic and effort and fit seamlessly on either of Leafs top 2 lines at LW with either Matthews or Tavares.

Treliving couldn't get rid of Holl and Kerfoot fast enough and now Bertuzzi at the same cap hit as Zach Hyman patrols a top 6 spot.

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Tre irony is that trading for Hyman was the first transaction Dubas ever made for the Leafs.

Babcock was the one who pushed for him. Hyman was an NCAA holdout that Florida was desperate to trade before his rights expired. The Leafs ended up with a damn good player, and fan favourite, that Dubas seemingly tried to undermine his entire tenure here.

RIght up to the bitter end when Hyman walked as UFA.

 

[hotpaws]

The only person who wanted Gregor was a guy who signed Huberdeau to his contract and Reaves to his contract... a great player evaluator...

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these are his last 4 seasons in Florida , what do you think he should have signed him for ?

 

[Sypher04]

Tre irony is that trading for Hyman was the first transaction Dubas ever made for the Leafs.

Babcock was the one who pushed for him. Hyman was an NCAA holdout that Florida was desperate to trade before his rights expired. The Leafs ended up with a damn good player, and fan favourite, that Dubas seemingly tried to undermine his entire tenure here.

RIght up to the bitter end when Hyman walked as UFA.

Dubas was the one with the existing relationship with Hyman. Not Babs. So it’s more likely Dubas was the one who actually identified and wanted him.

As for the rest of your comment, not sure what the hell you’re talking about when you say Dubas tried to undermine Hyman. That’s utter nonsense

 

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these are his last 4 seasons in Florida , what do you think he should have signed him for ?

I don't think GMs only look at points, they are far less simple than the minds here.

 

[hotpaws]

I don't think GMs only look at points, they are far less simple than the minds here.

at the time of the trade everyone thought he got great value for a player that wanted out and the deal he gave Hubie was fair for a soon to be ufa , it turned out crap but who'd have known Hubie would have gotten ptsd from moving from South Beach to Calagary

the thing that's strange is all Hubie needed to do was say he he wasn't going to extend in Calgary and they would have moved him on or worst case he could have busted his ass for a year if they didn't trade him and sign in another market that would have been appealed to him , instead he re ups long term and packs it in which guarantee's he'll never be leaving Calgary for years

and we're all simpletons for not continuing to worship our failed ex GM ? very strange line of thought

 

[thusk]

Except that's not true, as I showed you. Lafferty primarily played RW for us, He occasionally played center for us. He never played any meaningful minutes at LW for us. It's amazing how much Gregor has been propped up based on 3 points and a few flashy moments in 5 AHL-level pre-season games in which he still got caved in defensively, had a 36.93 xGF%, and got outscored 5-3 while on the ice.

Even putting aside that Lafferty was a better player than others making the roster, know who for sure didn't earn a spot over Lafferty? Reaves.
Know who Treliving put on the team instead of Lafferty (and given Lafferty's roster spot and money)? Reaves. That's the problem that you keep avoiding.

As for the trade, Keefe himself said it was cap related. Even with the Timmins injury that was expected to be short term, we would have been forced into a 20 man roster as we prepared to go halfway around the world for weeks, lost the option to sign Gregor, lost our trade option for Lafferty, and then been screwed when Timmins came back.

Lafferty can play ALL FOWARD POSITION, i dont whats really dofficult to understand. the fact leafs used him like a RW last season in any case forced leafs to still use him as RW... he had an opportunity to grab 3/4th C who was an open spot and 4th LW who was a open spot and he missed.

leafs signed reaves to bring toughness and try to change leafs mentality. the didn't signed reaves to outplay anyone. the problem its is game bacame just so trash than his negative impact on the ice surpass everything he could bring to the leafs and so become a mistake. Everybody is agree with that. Whats they are trying to create failed, thats it....

doesn't change the fact lafferty was trash and didn't bring anything more than what gregor actually bringing + gregor winning 67% of lafferty salary

but if you still want to to waste your time about a 4th line player who will give us maybe like 15-20 points/season and played in 3-4 string on pk... go ahead, im done

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Dubas was the one with the existing relationship with Hyman. Not Babs. So it’s more likely Dubas was the one who actually identified and wanted him.

As for the rest of your comment, not sure what the hell you’re talking about when you say Dubas tried to undermine Hyman. That’s utter nonsense

I'm not sure what prior relationship Dubas had with Hyman, if any, but my understanding is that Babcock was familiar with Hyman through the University of Michigan hockey program and made the push for him.

My reading of this article from Sportsnet seems to suggest Dubas didn't have much knowledge of Hyman at all before pulling the trigger:

“At first, I thought it was some type of setup to pull one over, but in getting to know Dale, he was just trying to be helpful. And it ended up working out for them and for us,”

 

[Gallagbi]

I'm not sure what prior relationship Dubas had with Hyman, if any, but my understanding is that Babcock was familiar with Hyman through the University of Michigan hockey program and made the push for him.

My reading of this article from Sportsnet seems to suggest Dubas didn't have much knowledge of Hyman at all before pulling the trigger:

“At first, I thought it was some type of setup to pull one over, but in getting to know Dale, he was just trying to be helpful. And it ended up working out for them and for us,”

Dubas was Hyman's "advisor", they also would have watched him when scouting Werenski.

Im sure Babs liked Hyman too

 

[Dekes For Days]

Lafferty can play ALL FOWARD POSITION, i dont whats really dofficult to understand.

He technically can play his off wing if necessary, but outside of a little bit of center, he has played RW for us. I don't know what's difficult to understand about this either.
RW is a forward position. Lafferty was our 4th line RW. Reaves was overpaid and handed the 4th line RW spot, despite Lafferty being better. Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty for 4th line RW. Everything and everyone else is irrelevant to that simple fact. Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty for 4th line RW. That is undeniable and that was bad. The end.

 

[Leaf Fans]

He technically can play his off wing if necessary, but outside of a little bit of center, he has played RW for us. I don't know what's difficult to understand about this either.
RW is a forward position. Lafferty was our 4th line RW. Reaves was overpaid and handed the 4th line RW spot, despite Lafferty being better. Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty for 4th line RW. Everything else is irrelevant to the discussion. Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty for 4th line RW. That is undeniable and that was bad. The end.

Actually, Gregor beat out Lafferty for the avaliable job. That is what made Lafferty expendable. He was subsequently traded.

 

[notbias]

at the time of the trade everyone thought he got great value for a player that wanted out and the deal he gave Hubie was fair for a soon to be ufa , it turned out crap but who'd have known Hubie would have gotten ptsd from moving from South Beach to Calagary

the thing that's strange is all Hubie needed to do was say he he wasn't going to extend in Calgary and they would have moved him on or worst case he could have busted his ass for a year if they didn't trade him and sign in another market that would have been appealed to him , instead he re ups long term and packs it in which guarantee's he'll never be leaving Calgary for years

and we're all simpletons for not continuing to worship our failed ex GM ? very strange line of thought

We need a name for people who worship Treliving and his failed time in Calgary...

Results don't matter for his trades? It is weird that the crowd who hates expected stats are now using expected return to show Treliving was not a mess.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Actually, Gregor beat out Lafferty for the avaliable job. That is what made Lafferty expendable. He was subsequently traded.

Actually, Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty for 4th line RW and overpaid him, and then Lafferty was traded for cap, as per Keefe.
Your personal unsupported opinions about competitions for other spots is irrelevant.
The discussion was about 4th line RW, where Treliving made the bad decision to choose Reaves over Lafferty.