Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[ACC1224]

Nah, almost everyone loved it. I recall quite well. Who saw Huberdeau being such a disaster, I sure didn't. Looked a good replacement considering what walked out the door. Anyways, it is what it is now.

I think most felt he made the most out of a horrible situation.

 

[thusk]

I’d love to go back to the summer of 2022, recall Calgary scrambling to fill holes after players left. What was the commentary then here? I seem to remember massive praise heaped on Treliving here, and the entire hockey world for that matter, at how he was able to land a percieved stud in Huberdeau, a Kadri, people actually thought the Flames might be better. Now obviously, it’s been a mess there, but context matters, so does revisionism. Again, it’s overstated now how badly he messed up, when on paper he was a genius at the time for pivoting so quickly and turning lemons into lemonade. Not defending the guy, just having a memory.

Back to dumb people calling people simple….

nobody would be able to predict than huberdeau production would drop at 48% of his production of previous season...

i already gave exemple of nylander.. imagine he testing market this summer and signing exemple in Washington at 10,5M/8 ans. Next season exemple nylander production drop from 90 /95 points to 45 points next season, absolutly nobody could just expect that but its exactly whats happenned with Huberdeau

 

[notbias]

Some loved it. Others saw the term to aging players as an issue even before the Monahan + 1st for Kadri transition

"The Huberdau trade and signing were fine" is brought to you by the same people who think the Tavares signing was the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise.


Tavares

Terrible signing that cripples a franchise.

11 million til they are 34.


Huberdeau

How could he have known?

10.5 million til they are 38.


Can someone make this make sense? This is why I think we have fans of Brad.

 

[IPS]

"The Huberdau trade and signing were fine" is brought to you by the same people who think the Tavares signing was the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise.


Tavares
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Terrible signing that cripples a franchise.

11 million til they are 34.


Huberdeau
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How could he have known?

10.5 million til they are 38.


Can someone make this make sense? This is why I think we have fans of Brad.

Leafs win the cup this year and I'm certain you aren't going to be able to enjoy it since you hitched your wagon to Kyle Dubas instead of the Leafs.

 

[notbias]

Leafs win the cup this year and I'm certain you aren't going to be able to enjoy it since you hitched your wagon to Kyle Dubas instead of the Leafs.

I am certain you have no clue what you're talking about.

1. The Leafs won the cup, I don't care about anything else. A bunch of irrelevant nobodies on the internet don't change that.
2. Treliving did the same thing Dubas did every year and the cap structure is the same... this is what you all complained about, Treliving shuffled chairs.

 

[DarkKnight]

I think most felt he made the most out of a horrible situation.

That was exactly the overwhelming sentiment.

 

[IPS]

I am certain you have no clue what you're talking about.

1. The Leafs won the cup, I don't care about anything else. A bunch of irrelevant nobodies on the internet don't change that.
2. Treliving did the same thing Dubas did every year and the cap structure is the same... this is what you all complained about, Treliving shuffled chairs.

Well you see "nobias", since you declared yourself "not bias" towards the last GM, you now have to apply all the same standards to the new GM.

As everyone sees you clearly do no such thing, so you're considered team Kyle Dubas, and not team Leafs.

 

[hotpaws]

We need a name for people who worship Treliving and his failed time in Calgary...

Results don't matter for his trades? It is weird that the crowd who hates expected stats are now using expected return to show Treliving was not a mess.

for a person who praised Dubas for trades like Kadri for Kerfoot/Barie or Foligno for a 1st plus which were obviously massive blunders right from the second we heard those deals it's strange that your so critical of Tre who no one is praising even though you keep trying to spin it that way

 

[Peasy]

Context matters? That is a new one around these parts.

It seemed to be ignored quite often when anyone brought up the signings of players on our team... How the cap was dramatically going to rise without the pandemic is rarely brought up, but the "bad" signings are.

He constructed one of the worst teams in the league with one of the worst futures, you are defending his moves.

Is it results that matter or expected results?

Talking about context, what do you do when your two star players are about to walk and your owner refuses the thought of a re-build?

 

[notbias]

for a person who praised Dubas for trades like Kadri for Kerfoot/Barie or Foligno for a 1st plus which were obviously massive blunders right from the second we heard those deals it's strange that your so critical of Tre who no one is praising even though you keep trying to spin it that way

The funny thing is both of those trades turned out better than the Huberdeau one.

 

[thusk]

I am certain you have no clue what you're talking about.

1. The Leafs won the cup, I don't care about anything else. A bunch of irrelevant nobodies on the internet don't change that.
2. Treliving did the same thing Dubas did every year and the cap structure is the same... this is what you all complained about, Treliving shuffled chairs.

you can even know what treliving impact, you will need to wait for it...

if Treliving wanted to change exemple his D but the type of D or the guy he wanted was not available at this moment. its hard to change thing like you want if the player you want are not available or youre gonna need to overpay by giving exemple knies+ cowan and maybe 1st pick because the players your targeting, team didn't had any kind of interest to trade them. Sometime you having to choice to wait to see some option becoming availabke

 

[notbias]

Talking about context, what do you do when your two star players are about to walk and your owner refuses the thought of a re-build?

I guess the answer is to force them into one by making terrible trades and signings.

Treliving is a genius, I take it back.

 

[notbias]

you can even know what treliving impact, you will need to wait for it...

if Treliving wanted to change exemple his D but the type of D or the guy he wanted was not available at this moment. its hard to change thing like you want if the player you want are not available or youre gonna need to overpay by giving exemple knies+ cowan and maybe 1st pick because the players your targeting, team didn't had any kind of interest to trade them

I'm judging him more on his time in Calgary... I am happy Reaves sucks so bad... maybe Treliving will learn and stop trying to punch his way to a cup.

Treliving signed the worst defensive D in the league, that is his idea of what we need.

I am sure Schenn was available for 4.5 for one year if he wanted a rugged defender.

There were D of every type available but he signed who he did. No player is good defensively he signed, we are ignoring that, there is a trend, and it is "snot" and offense, nothing else.

 

[IPS]

I'm judging him more on his time in Calgary... I am happy Reaves sucks so bad... maybe Treliving will learn and stop trying to punch his way to a cup.

Treliving signed the worst defensive D in the league, that is his idea of what we need.

I am sure Schenn was available for 4.5 for one year if he wanted a rugged defender.

There were D of every type available but he signed who he did. No player is good defensively he signed, we are ignoring that, there is a trend, and it is "snot" and offense, nothing else.

You wanted everybody to give Dubas free passes for disastrous moves like trading for Murray and signing Mrazek. Yet with signing Klingberg you demand everybody crucifies Tre immediately.

You really want to have your cake and eat it too.

 

[thusk]

I'm judging him more on his time in Calgary... I am happy Reaves sucks so bad... maybe Treliving will learn and stop trying to punch his way to a cup.

Treliving signed the worst defensive D in the league, that is his idea of what we need.

I am sure Schenn was available for 4.5 for one year if he wanted a rugged defender.

There were D of every type available but he signed who he did. No player is good defensively he signed, we are ignoring that, there is a trend, and it is "snot" and offense, nothing else.

no the only D who was available what 3rd pair Dman at ~ 3M or an overpaid orlov at 7M. the choice wqs pretty bad, when you considerate Holl was amount best D available last summer..

Schenn is nothing else than a 3rd pair dman and 4,5 would be pretty high overpay...

 

[ACC1224]

Hands up those that are Treliving fans?

He needs to be given some time but I don't think anyone is happy with him so far.
Team Dubas struggles to get their head around that.

 

[notbias]

You wanted everybody to give Dubas free passes for disastrous moves like trading for Murray and signing Mrazek. Yet with signing Klingberg you demand everybody crucifies Tre immediately.

You really want to have your cake and eat it too.

Murray was a gamble (we had two goalie gambles, and the hope was one paid off) and at least one that has a pedigree, and is on LTIR with us gaining 2 picks... Trade was fine at the time, but in hindsight before LTIR was bad, and now good again.

Mrazek signing was fine at the time for a 1B (that is what he was), he was terrible and they cut ties, so bad signing. Good trade to get out of the contract, but bad signing.

Klingberg is currently a cap dump and would cost us picks. I hope he is LTIR and then no harm, but was also a gamble, much like Murray.

I want people to treat the situations the same because they are. With two gambles and wasted cap, everyone seemed much more upset last year.

This isn't hard.

 

[Apex Predator]

We’re fighting about two sub par GM’s with some good and bad drafts, signings, and trades.

 

[notbias]

no the only D who was available what 3rd pair Dman at ~ 3M or an overpaid orlov at 7M. the choice wqs pretty bad, when you considerate Holl was amount best D available last summer..

Schenn is nothing else than a 3rd pair dman and 4,5 would be pretty high overpay...

We have a 9th D making 4.1 and a 15th forward making 1.3... there is your 4.5 for a 6D for one year. He had options.

Hands up those that are Treliving fans?

He needs to be given some time but I don't think anyone is happy with him so far.
Team Dubas struggles to get their head around that.

It is hard when so many people are defending him... you have some homers saying "who could have known" about Huberdeau but they also crucify the Tavares signing... those seem like fans of the person.

 

[ACC1224]

We’re fighting about two sub par GM’s with some good and bad drafts, signings, and trades.

Only two seem to be fighting. The rest seem to be talking reasonably and correct in their assessments.

 

[IPS]

Murray was a gamble (we had two goalie gambles, and the hope was one paid off) and at least one that has a pedigree, and is on LTIR with us gaining 2 picks... Trade was fine at the time, but in hindsight before LTIR was bad, and now good again.

Mrazek signing was fine at the time for a 1B (that is what he was), he was terrible and they cut ties, so bad signing. Good trade to get out of the contract, but bad signing.

Klingberg is currently a cap dump and would cost us picks. I hope he is LTIR and then no harm, but was also a gamble, much like Murray.

I want people to treat the situations the same because they are. With two gambles and wasted cap, everyone seemed much more upset last year.

This isn't hard.

It was an absolutely terrible trade for a goalie who was basically on a straight vertical decline that pretty well everyone knew was a loss the second the trade was made. Oh yeah and Mrazak literally costed us assets to get rid of. And you and your ilk are crucifying Tre for Reaves which is gonna cost basically a 7th to get rid of

The two moves above are far worse moves than signing Reaves and they're moves that the Dubites were DEMANDING people give him a free pass for.

But nice try at rewriting history there "notbias".

 

[Peasy]

Murray was a gamble (we had two goalie gambles, and the hope was one paid off) and at least one that has a pedigree, and is on LTIR with us gaining 2 picks... Trade was fine at the time, but in hindsight before LTIR was bad, and now good again.

Mrazek signing was fine at the time for a 1B (that is what he was), he was terrible and they cut ties, so bad signing. Good trade to get out of the contract, but bad signing.

Klingberg is currently a cap dump and would cost us picks. I hope he is LTIR and then no harm, but was also a gamble, much like Murray.

I want people to treat the situations the same because they are. With two gambles and wasted cap, everyone seemed much more upset last year.

This isn't hard.

So Mrazek move is fine because they only had to move down some draft spots but Klingberg move is horrible because he hypothetically has to be dumped with picks. The guy could possibly be LTIR'd for the rest of the year which apparently is a good move (you just said so with Murray).

Also, Dubas traded for Murray before he even knew Samsonov was going to be let go from the caps. He lucked himself into that. The Murray trade was awful the second it happened, and has played out like how many people have predicted. And lets not kid ourselves that Samsonov is some amazing goalie lol.

GM's make good moves and bad moves. Like its okay to acknowledge this lmao.

 

[notbias]

So Mrazek move is fine because they only had to move down some draft spots but Klingberg move is horrible because he hypothetically has to be dumped with picks. The guy could possibly be LTIR'd for the rest of the year which apparently is a good move (you just said so with Murray).

Also, Dubas traded for Murray before he even knew Samsonov was going to be let go from the caps. He lucked himself into that. The Murray trade was awful the second it happened, and has played out like how many people have predicted. And lets not kid ourselves that Samsonov is some amazing goalie lol.

GM's make good moves and bad moves. Like its okay to acknowledge this lmao.

Is reading hard for some people here?

LTIR I said no harm.

13 spots is probably more than we are moving down for Klingberg, but regardless, I said bad signing for Mrazek, the trade was good.

If Klingberg is moved like Ritchie was, for example, I don't care, that was essentially 0 picks.

My point is the signing for Mrazek was bad, but the move was not.

We will see how the bad signing of Klingberg is handled.

Murray trade is good in hindsight now.

 

[hotpaws]

The funny thing is both of those trades turned out better than the Huberdeau one.

of course they they turned out better , just like the signings of Mzarek/Ritchie that he had to pay to get of rid turned out stellar in your opinion , lol

the shocking part of Dubies reign of terror is when you consider that he traded every first rd pick after his first draft here among other picks which included leaving the new GM without a 2nd rd pick for 4 yrs in a row and all the team has to show for that is McCabe who's best used on the 3rd pairing

and yet some people think he was the greatest GM in the history of the game

 

[Leaf Fans]

Actually, Treliving chose Reaves over Lafferty for 4th line RW and overpaid him, and then Lafferty was traded for cap, as per Keefe.
Your personal unsupported opinions about competitions for other spots is irrelevant.
The discussion was about 4th line RW, where Treliving made the bad decision to choose Reaves over Lafferty.

What are you talking about? The fact that Gregor won the job over Lafferty is not in dispute.