Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Lemontree]

he got better at fixing mistakes , can't say better than other GM's but what he got better at was trying to make it look like he minimized the damage of his f*** ups

the Leafs would have gotten at least a 2nd if not more had they traded down without dumping Pete to the team moving up so by moving down and dumping Pete without giving up a pick his boys can spin it like it was no biggie , i also like how he got the company employed insiders to float the team had Minten in their top 15 so they got the guy they wanted anyway , lol

Here's what I don't understand regarding the appeal of Dubas and how "smart" he is. He signs Mrazek as a UFA to a 3 year deal with a cap hit of 3.8M per season for the purpose of Mrazek as being a "1B" which makes him the second goalie but expected to compete with Campbell.

I think it is pretty commonly known that Campbell was Dubas guy based on their relationship prior to him trading for Campbell. So Campbell is your starter, your "1A" that is coming off a very good season and an upcoming UFA. If Dubas believed in Campbell as his ability to be a top end starting goalie (which seemed to be the case at that time), you are giving Campbell and his agent the ammo to negotiate that he is the starting (lead) goalie and his back-up who just signed in the most recent UFA window a $3.8M a year deal. Campbell easily would be asking for a $5M+ a year deal based on the bar that Dubas set with Mrazek.

Only way the above makes sense is that Dubas was never sold on Campbell as being a number 1 goalie and didn't really anticipate him being re-signed and was expecting to play out the season with Campbell and Mrazek with Mrazek coming back the next season as the number #1 with a different goalie on the roster (in place of Campbell).

 

[thusk]

ibdidn't blame Dubas for what hes done, he tried some different thing, some had been working, some was not... and at the end leafs didn't get result they was hoping for so they moved on and thats fine...

for BT
calgary line up when he started

cammaleri-Backlun-Hudler
stajan-Monahan-stempniak
glenncross-colborne-jones
byron-galiardi-bouma

gio-brodie
russel-wideman
butler-Smid

Ramo
berra

huberdeau-Lindholm-Mangiapanne
sharangovich-Kadri-zary
pospisil-Backlund-coleman
greer-dube-duehr

weagar-Andersson
hanifin-tanev
zadorov-desimone

markstrom

still a pretty good upgrade

whats everyone blaming BT is huberdeau but who in this world could predict a drop of 209% from huberdeau... he probably expecting the same kind of impact than gaudreau like everyone of us. yes he overpaid player but seriously i giving a choice exemple between playing exemple in florida, dallas, california or any south team or any big market like toronto mtl, Ny, det, bos, Chi... or playing in Calgary at same salart, who will choose calgary? nobody

even Kadri cancelled a leafs trade because he didn't want to go there... so outside of money, wich tools did he had to sign or keep player?!?!

 

[Gallagbi]

Nah, almost everyone loved it. I recall quite well. Who saw Huberdeau being such a disaster, I sure didn't. Looked a good replacement considering what walked out the door. Anyways, it is what it is now.

I said I didnt like it. So do I get to comment on it now or is that forbidden?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Yes the Klingberg signing was bad, but its not like we used a 1st + to acquire him...

It's very possible we have to use a 1st to replace him in-season. And that's just to get to what should have been offseason baseline, not an improvement like deadline deals are.

 

[Gallagbi]

That's helpful to the discussion. Some far, I see rational posters talking about the moves that Tre has made since being the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs. A few posters want to bring up his history as the GM of the Calgary Flames, seemingly those posters don't like when countered with the moves of the previous GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

There isnt any movement in the discussion nor will there be. Sometimes you have to call it out. Neither side is being fair right now and that shows very clearly in the posts.

 

[Lemontree]

You're all being idiots. Way too much burying of heads in the sand and forced narratives just to appear right

I said I didnt like it. So do I get to comment on it now or is that forbidden?

 

[Peasy]

It's very possible we have to use a 1st to replace him in-season. And that's just to get to what should have been offseason baseline, not an improvement like deadline deals are.

I'm sure you had no issues with Dubas blowing assets every deadline because he left major glaring holes in the roster during the summer.

They obviously wanted someone that could move the puck, there werent many FA options, they took a bad risk and it clearly hasn't worked out. Hopefully they use some of the assets we have left to find a more permanent option rather than just another band aid fix.

 

[Lemontree]

I'm sure you had no issues with Dubas blowing assets every deadline because he left major glaring holes in the roster during the summer.

They obviously wanted someone that could move the puck, there werent many FA options, they took a bad risk and it clearly hasn't worked out. Hopefully they use some of the assets we have left to find a more permanent option rather than just another band aid fix.

If the previous GM was still here, at trade deadline he traded multiple 2nd round picks (assuming we had any) for Tyler Bertuzzi as a rental (50% retained) $2.75M cap hit.

How would certain posters view the trade?

 

[Fogelhund]

I'm sure you had no issues with Dubas blowing assets every deadline because he left major glaring holes in the roster during the summer.

They obviously wanted someone that could move the puck, there werent many FA options, they took a bad risk and it clearly hasn't worked out. Hopefully they use some of the assets we have left to find a more permanent option rather than just another band aid fix.

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/new-york-rangers/was-erik-gustafsson-the-steal-of-the-summer-in-the-national-hockey-league

12 points, 16 games, $825k.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm sure you had no issues with Dubas blowing assets every deadline because he left major glaring holes in the roster during the summer.

Dubas didn't leave massive glaring holes in the roster during the summer. Treliving did.
Dubas spent assets to further improve already great teams at the deadline, like any team in our position would.

They obviously wanted someone that could move the puck, there werent many FA options

If that's what we wanted, we literally had a better option on the team already, who ended up signing in New York for 825k. Not to mention Timmins.

 

[ACC1224]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/new-york-rangers/was-erik-gustafsson-the-steal-of-the-summer-in-the-national-hockey-league

12 points, 16 games, $825k.

If there was ever a player who needed a better agent.
Both GM's here passed on him though.

 

[Fogelhund]

If there was ever a player who needed a better agent.
Both GM's here passed on him though.

A move that just didn't make any sense at the time, and is worse now. Gus put up 38 points in 61 games for Washington, and four points in nine games with us... all while being a positive player.

The Klingberg signing looked bad at the time, and is worse now.

 

[DarkKnight]

I said I didnt like it. So do I get to comment on it now or is that forbidden?

You could quit being such a dick about it I suppose, but your call. I’m whateves.

 

[ACC1224]

A move that just didn't make any sense at the time, and is worse now. Gus put up 38 points in 61 games for Washington, and four points in nine games with us... all while being a positive player.

The Klingberg signing looked bad at the time, and is worse now.

No argument there.
I've mentioned before, it's strange that no one in the league saw any value in the player other than the NYR.

 

[GoonieFace]

If there was ever a player who needed a better agent.
Both GM's here passed on him though.

And 30 other GM’s.

 

[thusk]

Dubas didn't leave massive glaring holes in the roster during the summer. Treliving did.
Dubas spent assets to further improve already great teams at the deadline, like any team in our position would.

If that's what we wanted, we literally had a better option on the team already, who ended up signing in New York for 825k. Not to mention Timmins.

do you want to come back to leafs d in 2020?

rielly- tyson " klinberg 2.0" barrie
Muzzin-Holl
dermott-Ceci

if you dont consider this D like a massive hole...it was a MASSIVE HOLE because this was even worst than actual D, imagine whe Muzzin get injured in playoff...

 

[GoonieFace]

Dubas didn't leave massive glaring holes in the roster during the summer. Treliving did.
Dubas spent assets to further improve already great teams at the deadline, like any team in our position would.

If that's what we wanted, we literally had a better option on the team already, who ended up signing in New York for 825k. Not to mention Timmins.

Tre took over a month before free agency, with a lot of work to do, plus all three amigos contracts to worry about. Yeah Dubie left a steaming turd.

Timmins can be counted on for one thing so far, being injured. Gus is what he is, and only 1 team thought enough of him to give him 825K. Dubas could have had him as well, but he chose the $11 mil dollar man instead, surprising

 

[notbias]

Tre took over a month before free agency, with a lot of work to do, plus all three amigos contracts to worry about. Yeah Dubie left a steaming turd.

Timmins can be counted on for one thing so far, being injured. Gus is what he is, and only 1 team thought enough of him to give him 825K. Dubas could have had him as well, but he chose the $11 mil dollar man instead, surprising

Gus is absolutely killing it in NY...

Karlsson is also playing great and is a game changer, much better than Gus... not sure what this post is even saying.

 

[Peasy]

https://thehockeynews.com/nhl/new-york-rangers/new-york-rangers/was-erik-gustafsson-the-steal-of-the-summer-in-the-national-hockey-league

12 points, 16 games, $825k.

Yeah, dumb to pass on him, but so did nearly every team for some reason with how little he got. Its definitely a head scratcher.

 

[Peasy]

Dubas didn't leave massive glaring holes in the roster during the summer. Treliving did.
Dubas spent assets to further improve already great teams at the deadline, like any team in our position would.

If that's what we wanted, we literally had a better option on the team already, who ended up signing in New York for 825k. Not to mention Timmins.

Oh man, the way you stretch your words lmao. So when Dubas trades to add to the roster its because hes improving it, not because he left the team with glaring weaknesses from the summer before. But if Tre does it, hes not improving it and just filling in holes he left from the summer.

News flash, we haven't had a decent 3C since your boy dealt him for nearly nothing. But I'm sure you have a way to explain how that wasn't his fault (youll say something ridiculous like Kerfoot is a good 3C).

 

[Gallagbi]

@Lemontree - we all get lucky sometimes. It happens, but i dont consider myself a savant for predicting a bad outcome on those Calgary deals/moves.

Just like it isn't earth shattering to acknowledge the guy signed to play 4th line RW impacted the current incumbent in that spot. Gregor also had an impact there as Laff could have moved to his off wing and cap could have been adjusted. We didnt go this route. Amazing it needs to be stated but the play of our 4th line guys impacted the move of the existing 4th liner. Somehow there is debate on this, and yes, its from both sides who think it was only the one.

And dont worry, I'll make many idiotic posts myself and have in the past. It happens.

 

[notbias]

Why even play the lame game, the two moves have no real common thread? Foligno was damaged goods, he was out before the trade and people in Columbus said he wasn’t fully healed. Klingberg has played for years with this issue, obviously something changed a couple weeks ago. Klingberg played out the string last year and playoffs, he was fine. I guess Dubas shouldn’t have signed Karlsson, what with his issues? I mean you can play these silly games all year. Some do…

I find it intellectually boring, which is ironic given all the slags about others intelligence.

Foligno finally admits that his health was not good before coming to Toronto in 2021 deadline deal

The Toronto Maple Leafs have certainly had mixed results when it comes to trades over the past number of seasons with Kyle Dubas at the helm. Many in Leafs Nation are still trying to recover from the heartbreak of losing Nazem Kadri in the Barrie/Kerfoot deal with Colorado. The Jake Muzzin...

www.mapleleafsinsider.com

"The trade came at a time when COVID-19 was imposing all sorts of limitations on teams and may have prevented the Leafs from being able to perform a proper medical check on Foligno prior to completing the trade. They were relying solely on the information that Jarmo Kekalainen had provided them with. It would be nice to be able to take another GM at his word, but it would appear as though Dubas has learned his lesson as he hasn't paid a premium for a player at the deadline since. Even this summer, Dubas had the Leafs' medical staff closely examine Matt Murray to ensure that he was 100% recovered from his concussion issues before pulling the trigger on a deal for the 28-year-old netminder.

Still, it's a bit frustrating to know that Foligno and Kekalainen basically lied to the Leafs and got away with it entirely unchecked."

Looks like you aren't telling the truth...

It'd be nice to have a conversation about the facts.

 

[Lemontree]

Dubas didn't leave massive glaring holes in the roster during the summer. Treliving did.
Dubas spent assets to further improve already great teams at the deadline, like any team in our position would.

If that's what we wanted, we literally had a better option on the team already, who ended up signing in New York for 825k. Not to mention Timmins.

2023 Playoff Roster:

Bunting (UFA), Matthews, Marner
Knies, Tavares, Nylander
Kerfoot (UFA), O'Reilly (UFA), Jarnkrok
Lafferty, Kampf (UFA), Acciari (UFA)
Aston-Reese (UFA)

Rielly, Schenn (UFA)
Brodie, McCabe
Holl (UFA), Giodano
Liljegren
Gustafsson (UFA)

Samsanov (RFA - arb rights)
Woll

If you wanted to bring the exact team back next season, you would need to negotiate with 8 UFAs, 1 RFA (arb rights) and most importantly getting Auston Matthews under contract extension as depending on his outcome would likely change the direction of the team/roster construction.

If you were unsure (after watching a handful of games) if Knies could handle top 6 duties, you would need to find 2 top 6 left wingers and most of your bottom 6 forwards (including both C positions).

 

[notbias]

2023 Playoff Roster:

Bunting (UFA), Matthews, Marner
Knies, Tavares, Nylander
Kerfoot (UFA), O'Reilly (UFA), Jarnkrok
Lafferty, Kampf (UFA), Acciari (UFA)
Aston-Reese (UFA)

Rielly, Schenn (UFA)
Brodie, McCabe
Holl (UFA), Giodano
Liljegren
Gustafsson (UFA)

Samsanov (RFA - arb rights)
Woll

If you wanted to bring the exact team back next season, you would need to negotiate with 8 UFAs, 1 RFA (arb rights) and most importantly getting Auston Matthews under contract extension as depending on his outcome would likely change the direction of the team/roster construction.

If you were unsure (after watching a handful of games) if Knies could handle top 6 duties, you would need to find 2 top 6 left wingers and most of your bottom 6 forwards (including both C positions).

Definitely some work... but it is overblown...

Treliving literally just qualified Samsanov, so that takes care of the RFA.

With only Marlies and signed players.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Lafferty - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
McMann - Abruzzesse - Steeves

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

Samsanov
Woll

The D is better in this scenario and cheaper.

The forwards are obviously worse, but that is an amazing base.

The goalies are the same.

Did he really have to do much?

 

[Lemontree]

Definitely some work... but it is overblown...

Treliving literally just qualified Samsanov, so that takes care of the RFA.

With only Marlies and signed players.

Knies - Matthews - Marner
Robertson - Tavares - Nylander
Lafferty - Holmberg - Jarnkrok
McMann - Abruzzesse - Steeves

Rielly - Brodie
McCabe - Liljegren
Gio - Timmins

Samsanov
Woll

The D is better in this scenario and cheaper.

The forwards are obviously worse, but that is an amazing base.

The goalies are the same.

Did he really have to do much?

The forwards are an amazing base? You have Knies penciled in as your top line winger (had played 5 games in the NHL at that point), Robertson still yet to prove if he is an NHL player and often injured.
Not going to bother talking about Lafferty, 4 of your bottom 6 are not NHL players (McMann currently is in NHL).

The D hasn't been changed much, dealing with injuries to Lil and Timmins.