Barrie had flaws, but he was much better than Klingberg. Just because your defense isn't a perfect mix, that doesn't mean you left a massive hole. At that point, it was actually the Leaf's best season defensively since at least 2008, as we added a defensive defenseman and some forwards with a defensive conscience in the offseason to help supplement the offensive replacement for Gardiner (a concept Treliving didn't seem to get). It wasn't perfect, since Dubas took over one of the worst defensive teams in the league, but it was addressed in the offseason and there were improvements. And more relevant to the discussion, we didn't even trade assets at the deadline that season.
Yes, and I gave context as the positions that need to be filled. My issue was calling it an amazing forward base when you need to sign: 2 top 6 left wingers (unless you wanted to throw Knies into one of those positions based on his limited NHL experience and have no insurance in the event he isn't able to handle that role right away), a 3rd and 4th line Center, 3rd line winger.
he barely got in the lineup with us and Wash who knew him much better than us added a 1st to him to get a similar but younger player , so good for him for having a good season so far but still dosen't mean we should have had high expectations for him and brought him back
Well it wasn’t your post I was responding to, so maybe start with that
I think Domi was signed as top 6 insurance for Knies in the event he looked like he would struggle in that position (luckily Knies looks good playing in that role already in his young career.
Treliving took over a month before free agency, but he was also an active GM the entire time prior. This idea that he had to start from scratch on everything once coming here is hilarious. He didn't have three amigo contracts to deal with. He had two, and only did anything with one. Treliving had it made. Dubas handed him a top tier team, with all of the most important players signed, a bunch of cap space and available roster spots to make his mark on the team's depth, a solid prospect pool with multiple NHL-ready ELCs, and a wide range of options and paths. And so far, all of the best parts of the team are things Treliving inherited, and all of the worst parts of the team are things Treliving did.
Yeah. A player with the identified attributes, that was already on our team, that would have been a lot better than Klingberg.
Whatever, this has been addressed a million times on here, but you don’t seem to comprehend just about anything
sorry barrie was totally trash, he had been 100 % healthy all year long and leafs gave up 71 in 70 when he was in the ice. #2 amount every leafs D was Muzzin at 50...the only d who had been able to make look barrie okay was rielly... Klinberg get injured in pre-season and still played with injury and pain 14 game he llayed and was on the ice 16 in 14 game...but yes for sure Barrie was so much better defensivly... yeah youre right ( sarcasm)
guys like Kling who've had recent success will always have teams who will take a chance on them getting back to close to their previous level
I'm not really sure how you don't see the difference between improving a top team at the deadline as you approach the playoffs, and making an early season trade to fix a mistake you made in the offseason. One is loading up into the positives. The other is just getting out of the negative back to 0.
Barrie was not trash. He had flaws, Babcock messed with him, and he didn't end up meshing with many partners here, but he was way better than Klingberg, and steps were taken in the offseason to insulate him. He stepped up big when the rest of the defense got decimated with injury that year.
Actually both are wrong. Foligno was healthy before coming to Toronto. He then had multiple weeks in quarantine to clear up any bumps and bruises. He was very good in the first few games with us, playing decent minutes in a top 6 role, and going PPG. He got a debilitating injury in the next game, and struggled from there.Foligno finally admits that his health was not good before coming to Toronto in 2021 deadline deal
The Toronto Maple Leafs have certainly had mixed results when it comes to trades over the past number of seasons with Kyle Dubas at the helm. Many in Leafs Nation are still trying to recover from the heartbreak of losing Nazem Kadri in the Barrie/Kerfoot deal with Colorado. The Jake Muzzin...www.mapleleafsinsider.com
"The trade came at a time when COVID-19 was imposing all sorts of limitations on teams and may have prevented the Leafs from being able to perform a proper medical check on Foligno prior to completing the trade. They were relying solely on the information that Jarmo Kekalainen had provided them with. It would be nice to be able to take another GM at his word, but it would appear as though Dubas has learned his lesson as he hasn't paid a premium for a player at the deadline since. Even this summer, Dubas had the Leafs' medical staff closely examine Matt Murray to ensure that he was 100% recovered from his concussion issues before pulling the trigger on a deal for the 28-year-old netminder.
Still, it's a bit frustrating to know that Foligno and Kekalainen basically lied to the Leafs and got away with it entirely unchecked."
Looks like you aren't telling the truth...
It'd be nice to have a conversation about the facts.
I'm not talking about the ice time average. I'm talking about the number of games. You took total goals against (which is bad enough) and then compared it to players that played ~20 games less than him, in order to misrepresent him and his defense. Of course somebody with 70 games is going to have more total goals against than somebody with 47 games.
Couldn't overcome the loss of Malgin.
The craziest thing about all this, Dubas didn't even force Keefe to dress them every playoff game!
