Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[IPS]

Notbias trying to explain how Klingberg and Reaves were horrible signings but Mrazek, Ritchie and Murray were totally fine.:

 

[thusk]

We have a 9th D making 4.1 and a 15th forward making 1.3... there is your 4.5 for a 6D for one year. He had options.



It is hard when so many people are defending him... you have some homers saying "who could have known" about Huberdeau but they also crucify the Tavares signing... those seem like fans of the person.

do you realize than klinberg didn't played a single regular season game healthy... What you saw was a injured Klinberg who was unable to move the way he want on the ice...

 

[GoonieFace]

Is reading hard for some people here?

LTIR I said no harm.

13 spots is probably more than we are moving down for Klingberg, but regardless, I said bad signing for Mrazek, the trade was good.

If Klingberg is moved like Ritchie was, for example, I don't care, that was essentially 0 picks.

My point is the signing for Mrazek was bad, but the move was not.

We will see how the bad signing of Klingberg is handled.

Murray trade is good in hindsight now.

So if signing Mrazek was a bad move, which clearly it was from day one, how can dropping spots in a draft to get rid of him be a good trade? Makes no sense

 

[notbias]

So if signing Mrazek was a bad move, which clearly it was from day one, how can dropping spots in a draft to get rid of him be a good trade? Makes no sense

The trade was cap space for a pick... the signing and the trade are two different actions... how are certain concepts so hard to understand?

The trade was much less than most expected and they still got their guy, that is good.

 

[ToneDog]

So if signing Mrazek was a bad move, which clearly it was from day one, how can dropping spots in a draft to get rid of him be a good trade? Makes no sense

It would have cost any other GM much, much more. If Dubas was good at one thing, it was fixing his mistakes. Comes with experience.

 

[Fogelhund]

do you realize than klinberg didn't played a single regular season game healthy... What you saw was a injured Klinberg who was unable to move the way he want on the ice...

So we signed and played an unhealthy player, who hasn't been good for a couple of years? And this is an issue from a surgery back in 2015? But he was fully capable of moving the way he wants on the ice, for YEARS after that? I mean... he's suddenly not healthy after playing like crap.... I mean, that completely passes the sniff test. He'll be on LTIR soon, and that will be the end of his season. He's being sent to Robidas Island, because he isn't good, and they found an excuse to send him there... it's so transparent that it's ridiculous.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Why do you have to get mad? It is only a game

 

[ACC1224]

So we signed and played an unhealthy player, who hasn't been good for a couple of years? And this is an issue from a surgery back in 2015? But he was fully capable of moving the way he wants on the ice, for YEARS after that? I mean... he's suddenly not healthy after playing like crap.... I mean, that completely passes the sniff test. He'll be on LTIR soon, and that will be the end of his season. He's being sent to Robidas Island, because he isn't good, and they found an excuse to send him there... it's so transparent that it's ridiculous.

Are you saying he's not injured?

 

[notbias]

It would have cost any other GM much, much more. If Dubas was good at one thing, it was fixing his mistakes. Comes with experience.

Other GMs hold onto their mistakes or sign them to 8x10.5 contracts til they are 38... different GMs do different things.

 

[Fogelhund]

Are you saying he's not injured?

I'm sure there is something... just enough to use LTIR. If he had played well, he'd still be playing though, whatever that "injury" is. Sort of like the allergy issue... there probably was always an allergy issue...

 

[IPS]

So we signed and played an unhealthy player, who hasn't been good for a couple of years? And this is an issue from a surgery back in 2015? But he was fully capable of moving the way he wants on the ice, for YEARS after that? I mean... he's suddenly not healthy after playing like crap.... I mean, that completely passes the sniff test. He'll be on LTIR soon, and that will be the end of his season. He's being sent to Robidas Island, because he isn't good, and they found an excuse to send him there... it's so transparent that it's ridiculous.

I really, really doubt they'd be able to sneak that one through. There was quite a lot of crying around the league when the Leafs were doing borderline cap moves in years prior. Don't think you want that kind of attention if you were trying to so something illegal with Klingberg on the LTIR.

Then again crazier things have happened.

Are you saying he's not injured?

Wasn't he also emotional in an interview in Sweden about possibly not playing too? There's gotta be an injury there.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Both Dubas and Treliving have made some mistakes, that's pretty clear. But Dubas also had some clear wins, like two years of Bunting for less than a million. So far none of Trelivings moves have exceeded expectations, but it's early in his tenure obviously.

 

[GoonieFace]

The trade was cap space for a pick... the signing and the trade are two different actions... how are certain concepts so hard to understand?

The trade was much less than most expected and they still got their guy, that is good.

The trade action was only possible because they signed him in the first place. Trading down picks to clear up cap space that should never had needed clearing is a bad trade any day of the week.

 

[Fogelhund]

I really, really doubt they'd be able to sneak that one through. There was quite a lot of crying around the league when the Leafs were doing borderline cap moves in years prior. Don't think you want that kind of attention if you were trying to so something illegal with Klingberg on the LTIR.

Then again crazier things have happened.


Wasn't he also emotional in an interview in Sweden about possibly not playing too? There's gotta be an injury there.

I never suggested it was illegal. I'm saying whatever the "injury" is... it's been there for years. It's just he's now crap, and they are using that "injury" as an excuse.

Just wait and see if he plays again....

 

[GoonieFace]

So we signed and played an unhealthy player, who hasn't been good for a couple of years? And this is an issue from a surgery back in 2015? But he was fully capable of moving the way he wants on the ice, for YEARS after that? I mean... he's suddenly not healthy after playing like crap.... I mean, that completely passes the sniff test. He'll be on LTIR soon, and that will be the end of his season. He's being sent to Robidas Island, because he isn't good, and they found an excuse to send him there... it's so transparent that it's ridiculous.

It sounds to me like this has been an issue for most of his career, but has managed it. He obviously aggravated it and can’t play at this level. Yeah he sucked, but I’m sure this injury just magnified it

 

[notbias]

It sounds to me like this has been an issue for most of his career, but has managed it. He obviously aggravated it and can’t play at this level. Yeah he sucked, but I’m sure this injury just magnified it

He's been this bad for a couple of years...

The Foligno for a 1st crowd should be losing it for signing an already injured player.

 

[thusk]

So we signed and played an unhealthy player, who hasn't been good for a couple of years? And this is an issue from a surgery back in 2015? But he was fully capable of moving the way he wants on the ice, for YEARS after that? I mean... he's suddenly not healthy after playing like crap.... I mean, that completely passes the sniff test. He'll be on LTIR soon, and that will be the end of his season. He's being sent to Robidas Island, because he isn't good, and they found an excuse to send him there... it's so transparent that it's ridiculous.

he never be a great player defensive side but he never be as worst...if hebwould play that way playing in a top 3 in Dallas, they're no chance they would reached the final... sorry he was looking like an AHL 3rd pair dman

if he was playing exwmple at 70%, sure their weakness will become even bigger and his strenght smaller

 

[Peasy]

He's been this bad for a couple of years...

The Foligno for a 1st crowd should be losing it for signing an already injured player.

One move costed us a 1st + for 11 games of service. The other costed us cap space that looks likely to be filled at some point this season whenever they decide to make a move to help on D.

Do you not see the difference? Yes the Klingberg signing was bad, but its not like we used a 1st + to acquire him...

 

[GoonieFace]

He's been this bad for a couple of years...

The Foligno for a 1st crowd should be losing it for signing an already injured player.

Not even in the same stratosphere

 

[ACC1224]

I'm sure there is something... just enough to use LTIR. If he had played well, he'd still be playing though, whatever that "injury" is. Sort of like the allergy issue... there probably was always an allergy issue...

If he played well he was probably healthy. I don't see any benefit to the player to go on LTIR if it wasn't necessary.

 

[DarkKnight]

One move costed us a 1st + for 11 games of service. The other costed us cap space that looks likely to be filled at some point this season whenever they decide to make a move to help on D.

Do you not see the difference? Yes the Klingberg signing was bad, but its not like we used a 1st + to acquire him...

Why even play the lame game, the two moves have no real common thread? Foligno was damaged goods, he was out before the trade and people in Columbus said he wasn’t fully healed. Klingberg has played for years with this issue, obviously something changed a couple weeks ago. Klingberg played out the string last year and playoffs, he was fine. I guess Dubas shouldn’t have signed Karlsson, what with his issues? I mean you can play these silly games all year. Some do…

I find it intellectually boring, which is ironic given all the slags about others intelligence.

 

[Fogelhund]

he never be a great player defensive side but he never be as worst...if hebwould play that way playing in a top 3 in Dallas, they're no chance they would reached the final... sorry he was looking like an AHL 3rd pair dman

if he was playing exwmple at 70%, sure their weakness will become even bigger and his strenght smaller

He was this bad last year too.

 

[thusk]

He was this bad last year too.

in anaheim, like every D oh this team... was looking much better in minnesota

 

[hotpaws]

It would have cost any other GM much, much more. If Dubas was good at one thing, it was fixing his mistakes. Comes with experience.

he got better at fixing mistakes , can't say better than other GM's but what he got better at was trying to make it look like he minimized the damage of his f*** ups

the Leafs would have gotten at least a 2nd if not more had they traded down without dumping Pete to the team moving up so by moving down and dumping Pete without giving up a pick his boys can spin it like it was no biggie , i also like how he got the company employed insiders to float the team had Minten in their top 15 so they got the guy they wanted anyway , lol

 

[Lemontree]

You're all being idiots. Way too much burying of heads in the sand and forced narratives just to appear right

That's helpful to the discussion. Some far, I see rational posters talking about the moves that Tre has made since being the GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs. A few posters want to bring up his history as the GM of the Calgary Flames, seemingly those posters don't like when countered with the moves of the previous GM of the Toronto Maple Leafs.