Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[tuckerintensity]

I guess the former GM should have been smart enough to keep Zach Hyman but he thought it was better to keep Justin Holl and Alex Kerfoot for the same cap usage.

Hyman was a best when it came to work ethic and effort and fit seamlessly on either of Leafs top 2 lines at LW wit either Matthews or Tavares.

Treliving couldn't get rid of Holl and Kerfoot fast enough and now Bertuzzi at the same cap hit as Zach Hyman patrols a top 6 spot.

If only he could've found a reasonably priced replacement on LW to replicate Hyman's production after Hyman left...

 

[Stephen]

Why does everyone keep pointing out that Reaves was brought in to play some special “role” as if that makes the decision to sign him less idiotic?

Let’s be real here.

A guy like Reaves is paid like a very marginal player contributing a goon skillset. A guy like Lafferty is paid a similar amount to be a 3rd and 4th line tweener with the promise of more offensive pop or energy in specific moments…

So if you went in with the logic that Reaves took Lafferty’s job, how realistic would it be to expect Reaves to be a similar quality to everything Lafferty does, but also provide the size, hitting and fighting on the side?

The problem is not the specialist goon role. The problem is Reaves wasn’t doing it on top of being the downgraded player. Aka he no-showed in his day job but just kept yapping away like a media personality.

Is it a Treliving problem? Ultimately if the parts he brings in doesn’t work it is his problem.

 

[notbias]

I guess the former GM should have been smart enough to keep Zach Hyman but he thought it was better to keep Justin Holl and Alex Kerfoot for the same cap usage.

Hyman was a beast when it came to work ethic and effort and fit seamlessly on either of Leafs top 2 lines at LW with either Matthews or Tavares.

Treliving couldn't get rid of Holl and Kerfoot fast enough and now Bertuzzi at the same cap hit as Zach Hyman patrols a top 6 spot.

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You may want to look up who is Hyman's most common linemates... after you do that, tell me how the Oilers have done in the playoffs.

Hyman was also one of our worst playoff performers

It is always "playoffs!" until it helps the Leafs...

Hyman is signed for 5 years still I think and has a bad knee, let's see how this looks moving forward.

 

[notbias]

and gregor had been signed like 400 under lafferty and even with reaves burried contract if hes waived, still dont raide leafs cap hit. Gregorbknow what d meaning and can play in PK and his overal game is pretty similar to laffetty... so the final result at the end doesn't change anything on that side sorry.


zar- kampf- malgin was the 4th line for major part of last season first 1/4 just like that... but go ahead .... and since mcmann replaced reaves, 4th line had 2 goal in 3 game. .

Malgin was a great 4th liner and drove play by himself... our 4th line is still not great, it is decent.

I would prefer a line of ZAR-Kampf-Malgin over the current line.

Probably get scored on a lot less and neither line will produce too much.

 

[Dekes For Days]

and gregor had been signed like 400 under lafferty and even with reaves burried contract if hes waived, still dont raide leafs cap hit. Gregorbknow what d meaning and can play in PK and his overal game is pretty similar to laffetty... so the final result at the end doesn't change anything on that side sorry.
zar- kampf- malgin was the 4th line for major part of last season first 1/4 just like that... but go ahead .... and since mcmann replaced reaves, 4th line had 2 goal in 3 game.

Malgin-Kampf-ZAR was actually pretty decent for us, so I'm not really sure your point. In Gregor, we get a bit lesser player for a bit less money, which is at least acceptable. But we're not talking about 4th line LW. We're talking about 4th line RW, and Treliving's decision to choose Reaves over Lafferty. That was the bad decision.

They like to ignore the fact that Tre filled his role on the team (3rd pairing Dman) with league minimum UFA signings without skipping a beat.

Treliving filled his role on the team with Klingberg, and it's been a complete disaster.

 

[arso40]

Malgin-Kampf-ZAR was actually pretty decent for us, so I'm not really sure your point. In Gregor, we get a bit lesser player for a bit less money, which is at least acceptable. But we're not talking about 4th line LW. We're talking about 4th line RW, and Treliving's decision to choose Reaves over Lafferty. That was the bad decision.

Tampered with a line that didn’t need tampering

 

[Dekes For Days]

Tampered with a line that didn’t need tampering

Gregor-Kampf-Lafferty could have actually been a pretty decent and fun line.
Good speed on the wings, and a defensively responsible center.

 

[Lemontree]

Malgin-Kampf-ZAR was actually pretty decent for us, so I'm not really sure your point. In Gregor, we get a bit lesser player for a bit less money, which is at least acceptable. But we're not talking about 4th line LW. We're talking about 4th line RW, and Treliving's decision to choose Reaves over Lafferty. That was the bad decision.

Treliving filled his role on the team with Klingberg, and it's been a complete disaster.

William Legesson is playing that role. Did Justin Holl play the point on the power play #1? Tre stated the reason why Klingberg was signed was to improve the offense from the back end, that was never the role Justin Holl played or was meant to play.

 

[Lemontree]

Malgin was a great 4th liner and drove play by himself... our 4th line is still not great, it is decent.

I would prefer a line of ZAR-Kampf-Malgin over the current line.

Probably get scored on a lot less and neither line will produce too much.

Hahaha......the guy who played 31 games over 2 season as a Maple Leaf and produced 2 goals and 2 assists.

 

[ACC1224]

William Legesson is playing that role. Did Justin Holl play the point on the power play #1? Tre stated the reason why Klingberg was signed was to improve the offense from the back end, that was never the role Justin Holl played or was meant to play.

Yeah there seems to be some confusion on what roles some players filled.
Same mistake is made with Lafferty and Reaves.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

No one has done that I’ve seen.
You don’t believe he was brought in for a special role? Seemed obvious he was.

Of course he was brought in for a special role. It was very obvious to everyone at the time of the signing, and now, that he was brought in for reasons that have nothing to do with hockey. The idea for the “special role” was dumb and unnecessary in the first place.

The problem is not the specialist goon role.

It is

 

[ACC1224]

Of course he was brought in for a special role. It was very obvious to everyone at the time of the signing, and now, that he was brought in for reasons that have nothing to do with hockey. The idea for the “special role” was dumb and unnecessary in the first place.


It is

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Not really sure why you quoted my post in the first place, sounds like you agree with me.

 

[notbias]

Hahaha......the guy who played 31 games over 2 season as a Maple Leaf and produced 2 goals and 2 assists.

He drove play... if you could read past the first line (it is a lot), you'd see that I think they'd produce around the same, but probably get scored on less.

There are all of Gregor's lines, so all the 4th lines.

Malgin's 4th line was at 48.5%... better than anything from Gregor/Kampf.

Better play driving line...

 

[Lemontree]

He drove play... if you could read past the first line (it is a lot), you'd see that I think they'd produce around the same, but probably get scored on less.

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There are all of Gregor's lines, so all the 4th lines.

Malgin's 4th line was at 48.5%... better than anything from Gregor/Kampf.

Better play driving line...

Funny, every time I go to the arena, I don't remember ever seeing xgoals or xgoals % on the jumbotron. When I'm unable to watch a game live and I send a text to my brother asking the score, he never responds with 48.5 to 41.7.

How did the Leafs do in Sweden using xgoals % or expected? I know in real life, they won both games.

 

[notbias]

Funny, every time I go to the arena, I don't remember ever seeing xgoals or xgoals % on the jumbotron. When I'm unable to watch a game live and I send a text to my brother asking the score, he never responds with 48.5 to 41.7.

How did the Leafs do in Sweden using xgoals % or expected? I know in real life, they won both games.

Alright, well, here are some hard facts so you can tell me how much better the 4th line is now.

Gregor has been on for 3GF and 7GA.

Malgin on the 4th line was 3GF and 4GA, then 5GF and 7GA overall.

One of these is MUCH better than the other.

 

[Lemontree]

Which Dennis Malgin stats are you using? When he was on the Leafs for 8 games in 2019-2020 and 23 games in 2022-23?

If you prefer your 4th line to consist of players like Dennis Malgin, good on you. I'd rather have speedy players who get in on the forecheck, finish checks and play a north-south game of chip and chase.

 

[notbias]

Which Dennis Malgin stats are you using? When he was on the Leafs for 8 games in 2019-2020 and 23 games in 2022-23?

If you prefer your 4th line to consist of players like Dennis Malgin, good on you. I'd rather have speedy players who get in on the forecheck, finish checks and play a north-south game of chip and chase.

That get scored on more and produce less...

If losing is your thing, then that's fine, it makes sense.

My whole point was that we had a better 4th line with Malgin than we do now but people rip on him... it is odd.

 

[Lemontree]

Alright, well, here are some hard facts so you can tell me how much better the 4th line is now.

Gregor has been on for 3GF and 7GA.

Malgin on the 4th line was 3GF and 4GA, then 5GF and 7GA overall.

One of these is MUCH better than the other.

That get scored on more and produce less...

If losing is your thing, then that's fine, it makes sense.

My whole point was that we had a better 4th line with Malgin than we do now but people rip on him... it is odd.

From a guy whining about losing Lafferty, Malgin, Holl and defends Dubas at all costs.

Yup, losing is "my thing".

 

[thusk]

Malgin-Kampf-ZAR was actually pretty decent for us, so I'm not really sure your point. In Gregor, we get a bit lesser player for a bit less money, which is at least acceptable. But we're not talking about 4th line LW. We're talking about 4th line RW, and Treliving's decision to choose Reaves over Lafferty. That was the bad decision.

Treliving filled his role on the team with Klingberg, and it's been a complete disaster.

lafferty is not a RW, his primary position is C or his second position is LW , his 3rd position RW...but go ahead focusing on RW for no reason...

klinberg had been terrible but its also pretty hard to evaluate, he played injured all season long and never played healthy in Toronto.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I don't think anyone disagrees with that. Not really sure why you quoted my post in the first place, sounds like you agree with me.

Ok so we agree that the idea for Reaves special role was dumb and unnecessary. Treliving came up with this mandatory role, then arbitrarily decided that Lafferty could not fill it but Reaves could so he signed Reaves. Then later moved out Lafferty. So how did he not choose Reaves over lafferty? Lmfao

 

[notbias]

From a guy whining about losing Lafferty, Malgin, Holl and defends Dubas at all costs.

Yup, losing is "my thing".

Attack the person if you can't defend the argument... it is a good strategy, it pretty much just proves you're wrong, so thanks.

I don't think I've defended losing Holl, both Malgin and Lafferty were more productive after leaving... almost like the small sample size didn't show their full potential.

Lafferty I only wanted over Reaves (he's better than Gregor too, but Gregor is not as bad as Reaves so who cares), so it looks like I was right there too.

 

[DarkKnight]

If Malgin was so great, why isn’t he even in the NHL? Switzerland’s gain I guess. Maybe the Pens will land him. Such a joke to argue he was a great 4th liner, if that’s true he’d land somewhere.

 

[Lemontree]

Attack the person if you can't defend the argument... it is a good strategy, it pretty much just proves you're wrong, so thanks.

I don't think I've defended losing Holl, both Malgin and Lafferty were more productive after leaving... almost like the small sample size didn't show their full potential.

Lafferty I only wanted over Reaves (he's better than Gregor too, but Gregor is not as bad as Reaves so who cares), so it looks like I was right there too.

Are you a victim all of a sudden? Your remark "If losing is your thing, then that's fine, it makes sense" was not suppose to be a personal attack? I don't care because I'm not a snowflake, but I do find it funny that you seem to want to claim some mortal superiority.

Yes, Malgin increased his offensive output when he joined the defending Stanley Cup champion Avs, with Malgin on the roster they were able to lose in the 1st round.

No one is arguing that Lafferty isn't a better hockey player currently than Reeves, its just most people don't harp on it because Lafferty was a replacement level player here who provided NOTHING to the Toronto Maple Leafs. You continue to harp on certain players only when it comes to roster construction and it is clear what your objective is........past GM vs current GM.

I'm in the camp of.....give the current GM a chance to build the roster the way he sees fit.

 

[Lemontree]

If Malgin was so great, why isn’t he even in the NHL? Switzerland’s gain I guess. Maybe the Pens will land him. Such a joke.

Careful, he is a "line driver". Malgin and Lafferty would be 2/3rds of an elite 4th line, some may say.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

The problem is not the specialist goon role. The problem is Reaves wasn’t doing it on top of being the downgraded player. Aka he no-showed in his day job but just kept yapping away like a media personality.

Even if this was the case, how would that NOT be an indictment on the GM? You willingly brought in a guy (who you knew sucked very badly) with the intention of stomaching his awful play for grit and intangibles stuff and after 14 games he hasn’t done any of those things. If you’re going to bring in a liability and play him, how are you not 100% sure you’re getting everything else? Like this isn’t production or on-ice play that can be difficult to project.

In reality I don’t think scratching him has had anything to do with the lack of grit™. I think he was sucking beyond belief