Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[TheBigFour]

I liked domi and bertuzzi signing and I'm hoping they will bounce back....but reaves, klingberg and overpaying kampf were awful since day one...

 

[Americanadian]

When Treliving was signed I thought it was the beginning of the end for the Leafs hopes of winning a cup - I just didn't see it coming this quick.

• Not trading any of the big 3 prior to their NMC's kicking in was a failure
• Signing Klingberg, Domi and Reaves was a failure
• Re-signing Kampf to a 4-year deal at 2.4M was a failure
• Taking a goalie with known confidence issues to arbitration was a failure
• Trading away Lafferty to give Minten 4 games was a failure

The only move he made that looked good at the time was Bertuzzi and that has turned out to be a failure.

 

[cyris]

Friendly reminder Reaves has yet to be on the ice for a goal for this season.

But he had been on the ice for at least 8 against.
-8 playing limited minutes and heavy offensive zone starts in only 11 games is actually kind of impressive.

It’s not easy to be that bad. But in fairness we didn’t sign him for his offensive or defensive prowess. We signed him to make sure the rats in the league would be to intimidated to hurt our guys on dirty plays.
How’s that part working out…..

 

[ToneDog]

Signing a bad player and tanking a season doesn't seem like no harm no foul.

They aren't paying Brodie to produce points. They're paying their defenseman Brodie to play defense, and he's been one of the best in the league at it.
For somebody who repeatedly makes the false claim that "defense wins championships", you seem to be brushing over the primary job of defensemen quite a bit.

When your new GM inherits a good defensive team, he is expected to not completely destroy that in one offseason.

Dumbas left a tire fire and Tre used gas instead if water to put it out. You must be loving it.

When Treliving was signed I thought it was the beginning of the end for the Leafs hopes of winning a cup - I just didn't see it coming this quick.

• Not trading any of the big 3 prior to their NMC's kicking in was a failure
• Signing Klingberg, Domi and Reaves was a failure
• Re-signing Kampf to a 4-year deal at 2.4M was a failure
• Taking a goalie with known confidence issues to arbitration was a failure
• Trading away Lafferty to give Minten 4 games was a failure

The only move he made that looked good at the time was Bertuzzi and that has turned out to be a failure.

Tre's got an F so far. Hopefully he can improve to a C or it is going to be a long season.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

I guess the good news is that after 10 games the only game where the leafs were entirely bent over was against Los Angeles. The second pairing is injured and Marner was trash for a stretch. Signings aren’t panning out, Klingberg looking particularly rough, but when McCabe gets back maybe Klingberg can somehow go to sheltered bottom pairing and get babysat by Giordano. Let’s see how Tre handles adversity, it’s going to take a season to really grade him.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Cry for Dubas all you want, make up excuses, bring up useless stats, I've seen all I need to see. This team is much more than a couple of adjustments away from being good.

 

[Americanadian]

Cry for Dubas all you want, make up excuses, bring up useless stats, I've seen all I need to see. This team is much more than a couple of adjustments away from being good.

Dubas was able to acquire Jarnkrok, Kampf, Knies, Brodie, Giordano, McCabe, Samsonov as contributing members to this Leafs roster in his 5 years. That is a decent group of players but he left behind 0 impact players. Treliving is a mess but Dubas didn't make his job any easier.

 

[TheRumble]

The only reason the Core 4 era has lasted this long is because Dubas was able to sign cheap quality UFAs almost yearly. I dont know if he could have done better this offseason, but the jig is certainly up with Treliving now.

Its probably time for a step back and major shakeup.

Ironically this off season would have been the first since the 18-19 season that Dubas would have had significant amounts of cap space to work with.

Just hypothesizing here but:

- He probably brings back Accari and Lafferty given he traded for them. I think ROR never wanted to come back so he's gone either way.
- I don't think Klingberg is brought on board unless it was at a much lower number
- I think Matthews probably signs for the same deal.
- Nylander extension is probably done too.
- I think Marner was gonna be traded or at least put on the block, Dubas alluded to big changes coming up in his off season presser and Marner was the only guy we could have traded.
- Bertuzzi I think Dubas signs.
- Domi, not.
- I think we probably would have walked away from Kampf. Dubas walked away from a lot of bottom sixers over the years for better or for worse, Kampf wasn't anything special.

Draft plays out the same way IMO. Seems like the scouts that made the decision to draft Cowen were Dubas guys, not Treliving guys,

 

[Americanadian]

Tre's got an F so far. Hopefully he can improve to a C or it is going to be a long season.

If you were to grade his off-season a C that would probably mean 2/4 of Domi, Bertuzzi, Klingberg, Reaves play well. If that's the case the Leafs still won't win anything so I don't see how improving to a C does anything.

 

[Gallagbi]

Dubas was able to acquire Jarnkrok, Kampf, Knies, Brodie, Giordano, McCabe, Samsonov as contributing members to this Leafs roster in his 5 years. That is a decent group of players but he left behind 0 impact players. Treliving is a mess but Dubas didn't make his job any easier.

Poor Tre walked into a highly talented core expecting change, with Nylander/Marner as tradeable assets and ~20M in cap space.

 

[Americanadian]

Poor Tre walked into a highly talented core expecting change, with Nylander/Marner as tradeable assets and ~20M in cap space.

After all this time do you still believe the Leafs core is going to win a cup together?

 

[Gallagbi]

After all this time do you still believe the Leafs core is going to win a cup together?

I thought at least 1 would be traded in the offseason.

 

[glue]

While I get that he didn’t get to see this core 4 first hand and just tookover, given the NMC that was kicking in for Marner, Nylander and Matthews, it’s poor judgement that he decided to ‘keep the band together’ for the 8th year in a row and thought adding ‘snot’ in the offseason was enough. But then again I don’t know if that was Shanny that pretty much over ruled trading any of the core 4

 

[Americanadian]

I thought at least 1 would be traded in the offseason.

One could have only hoped. Unfortunately 3/4 had NMC's within the first month of Treliving taking the job.

 

[Gallagbi]

One could have only hoped. Unfortunately 3/4 had NMC's within the first month of Treliving taking the job.

Most expected a quick move upon hire when Nylander and Marner didnt have trade protection

 

[Americanadian]

Most expected a quick move upon hire when Nylander and Marner didnt have trade protection

Most fans did but apparently that's not how things work. Tre's relatively clueless (look at what he did in Calgary) and probably believes he can win a cup with the four of them on the roster.

 

[Gallagbi]

Most fans did but apparently that's not how things work. Tre's relatively clueless (look at what he did in Calgary) and probably believes he can win a cup with the four of them on the roster.

People are calling out that cluelessness. Its not about what he inherited, it's the return on the decisions he has made.

Who knows, maybe they turn things around, but right now its tough to think his decisions could have worked out worse

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

Poor Tre walked into a highly talented core expecting change, with Nylander/Marner as tradeable assets and ~20M in cap space.

As if Shanny would let him trade away one of the core 4

 

[Americanadian]

People are calling out that cluelessness.

People have been calling out that same cluelessness in Dubas for years on this board.

 

[All Mod Cons]

When Treliving was signed I thought it was the beginning of the end for the Leafs hopes of winning a cup - I just didn't see it coming this quick.

• Not trading any of the big 3 prior to their NMC's kicking in was a failure
• Signing Klingberg, Domi and Reaves was a failure
• Re-signing Kampf to a 4-year deal at 2.4M was a failure
• Taking a goalie with known confidence issues to arbitration was a failure
• Trading away Lafferty to give Minten 4 games was a failure

The only move he made that looked good at the time was Bertuzzi and that has turned out to be a failure.

The Columbus defeat was the beginning of the end for the Leafs hopes of winning a Cup in my mind. It seemed absolutely perfectly clear to me that the salary structure would impede the Leafs chances and render their efforts useless.

That was 6 years ago.

 

[Americanadian]

The Columbus defeat was the beginning of the end for the Leafs hopes of winning a Cup in my mind. It seemed absolutely perfectly clear to me that the salary structure would impede the Leafs chances and render their efforts useless.

That was 6 years ago.

You are spot on. That whole 2019-20 season was awful and there should have been some change after that.

The reason I refer to hiring Treliving as the beginning of the end is because there was a real opportunity for the Leafs to hire a good GM and turn around Dubas’ sinking ship but instead Shanahan sunk that ship even further by hiring a puppet.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

Tree didn't realize he has 4 of the biggest claritine tablet antihistamine's in the league on teh team that neutralized the snot he added to the lineup.

Previous seasons I had some hope to wait for April, this year, not so much, we are at least a tier below now.

 

[authentic]

 

[JamieG19]

Dubas was able to acquire Jarnkrok, Kampf, Knies, Brodie, Giordano, McCabe, Samsonov as contributing members to this Leafs roster in his 5 years. That is a decent group of players but he left behind 0 impact players. Treliving is a mess but Dubas didn't make his job any easier.

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly are not impact players??

 

[Americanadian]

Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly are not impact players??

Dubas only acquired Tavares out of that group. He doesn’t get credit for the rest. Tavares is an impact player though and I overlooked that.