Brad Treliving is doing a great job.

[Gallagbi]

How exactly is it clear that those were his number 1 choices?
And even if they were, not being able to sign any of your number one choices isn't exactly a great thing for a GM.
And that doesn't really excuse signing bad second choices either.
We know one thing for sure. Reaves was his number 1 choice, and that's been a disaster.

Wasnt Dumba available for weeks after we signed Klingberg too?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Wasnt Dumba available for weeks after we signed Klingberg too?

Yep. Dumba signed 37 days later, for less money.

 

[Cleetus]

9 years in the organization, 5 yrs as GM and one series win with the talent he inherited, and posters are shitting on our new GM 10 games in lmao!!!!! last year the leafs were 4-4-2 after 10 games, this year 5-3-2 but let the Dubas fan club tell us how bad Tre is vs 5yrs of failure

 

[Dekes For Days]

last year the leafs were 4-4-2 after 10 games, this year 5-3-2

We at least had good underlying metrics last year during that stretch, and reason to believe we'd come out of it.

 

[cyris]

9 years in the organization, 5 yrs as GM and one series win with the talent he inherited, and posters are shitting on our new GM 10 games in lmao!!!!! last year the leafs were 4-4-2 after 10 games, this year 5-3-2 but let the Dubas fan club tell us how bad Tre is vs 5yrs of failure

What does one have to do with the other?
Dubas is gone. That doesn’t mean his replacement was a smart choice.
The team Treliving left in Calgary is a disaster and even though it’s early pretty much every move has has made with the Leafs so far looks bad.
So far the only reason people give to be optimistic about him is that he isn’t Dubas. And sorry but that isn’t enough.

 

[Cleetus]

What does one have to do with the other?
Dubas is gone. That doesn’t mean his replacement was a smart choice.
The team Treliving left in Calgary is a disaster and even though it’s early pretty much every move has has imade with the Leafs so far looks bad.
So far the only reason people give to be optimistic about him is that he isn’t Dubas. And sorry but that isn’t enough.

its posters saying it has something to do with one another, propping up a failure in Dubas, while shitting on Brad, you can take my posts anyway you want, I was just posting what I see thats happening, maybe give him more than 10 games to see what he can do, this is not Calgary

 

[cyris]

its posters saying it has something to do with one another, propping up a failure in Dubas, while shitting on Brad, you can take my posts anyway you want, I was just posting what I see thats happening, maybe give him more than 10 games to see what he can do, this is not Calgary

You are right this isn’t Calgary. But he isn’t Dubas either.
His complete failure in Calgary is at least as relevant as the performance of our previous GM (and I would argue more relevant) to the job our current GM is doing.

Yes it has been only 10 games but the signs look pretty bad so far.
Pretty much all the players he brought in over the summer are poor defensively. We knew that at the time. But they were promised to come with better offensive depth and increased physicality.
So far we have definitely seen the poor defensive play but we haven’t seen any of that increase in scoring depth or physical play/intimidation.

If you take that kind of risk and it doesn’t work out you deserve the criticism you get. Just like people would be rushing to praise him if it all was working out right now.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

its posters saying it has something to do with one another, propping up a failure in Dubas, while shitting on Brad, you can take my posts anyway you want, I was just posting what I see thats happening, maybe give him more than 10 games to see what he can do, this is not Calgary

Yeah I don't really put much stock into his work with the Flames where his hands were tied because ownership sucked (still does) and refused to rebuild

Maybe he is a puppet here as well for Shanny, but still way too early judge.

 

[Cleetus]

You are right this isn’t Calgary. But he isn’t Dubas either.
His complete failure in Calgary is at least as relevant as the performance of our previous GM (and I would argue more relevant) to the job our current GM is doing.

Yes it has been only 10 games but the signs look pretty bad so far.
Pretty much all the players he brought in over the summer are poor defensively. We knew that at the time. But they were promised to come with better offensive depth and increased physicality.
So far we have definitely seen the poor defensive play but we haven’t seen any of that increase in scoring depth or physical play/intimidation.

If you take that kind of risk and it doesn’t work out you deserve the criticism you get. Just like people would be rushing to praise him if it all was working out right now.

I agree it has not looked good yet, but I mean its 10 games, not giving up yet, I dont agree with with the Calgary statement, I have no clue what went on behind the scenes, there how handcuffed he was... I think ownership there really played a role, this is my opinion of course take it as you want

 

[MilkofthePoppy]

We at least had good underlying metrics last year during that stretch, and reason to believe we'd come out of it.

I was pissed about last night too, but the dude is right. We have looked like absolute garbage at the beginning of the last two seasons. They are playing at a better pace this year and have a lot of turnover. I expect things to change.

 

[All Mod Cons]

These guys don't give a f*** about each other. Everything else is completely irrelevant.

 

[cyris]

I agree it has not looked good yet, but I mean its 10 games, not giving up yet, I dont agree with with the Calgary statement, I have no clue what went on behind the scenes, there how handcuffed he was... I think ownership there really played a role, this is my opinion of course take it as you want

Ownership or upper management are going to meddle in any market. They likely did there just like they likely are here. He showed a poor ability to work through those constraints in Calgary and has done nothing so far to demonstrate that he will do a good job of it here. But time will tell on that.

Yes it’s been only 10 games. And if he manages to bring success to this team I will gladly pay him the praise he deserves. But I don’t think he should be beyond criticism either. Especially with the massive step back this team seems to have taken defensively when a lot of us saw that coming.

 

[GoonieFace]

Yeah I wish we still have the Dube, so he could sign Samsonov to a crippling long term contract.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Ownership or upper management are going to meddle in any market. They likely did there just like they likely are here. He showed a poor ability to work through those constraints in Calgary and has done nothing so far to demonstrate that he will do a good job of it here. But time will tell on that.

Yes it’s been only 10 games. And if he manages to bring success to this team I will gladly pay him the praise he deserves. But I don’t think he should be beyond criticism either. Especially with the massive step back this team seems to have taken defensively when a lot of us saw that coming.

10 games in and Reaves, the savior of the room becomes a p***y.

 

[cyris]

10 games in and Reaves, the savior of the room becomes a p***y.

Enforcers that can’t provide value outside of their ability to fight are nearly extinct for a reason.
But just like some fans on this site and some in the media don’t fully understand that yet, some people who work in management in the NHL haven’t yet either.

 

[Gallagbi]

Yep. Dumba signed 37 days later, for less money.

This is one ive never quite understood. Ee were interested in Schenn and some othrr physical RD, but once they left we went after a one way D who played below Dumba in the playoffs. One took easy matchups, the other the tough ones.

 

[All Mod Cons]

This is one ive never quite understood. Ee were interested in Schenn and some othrr physical RD, but once they left we went after a one way D who played below Dumba in the playoffs. One took easy matchups, the other the tough ones.

I heard Dumba wanted nothing to do with Canada.

 

[hotpaws]

people are actually crying over Tre not signing Dumba , lol

 

[Evilhomer]

I heard Dumba wanted nothing to do with Canada.

I'm always amazed that any American player voluntarily chooses to play in Canada. I think people are glossing over how remarkable it is that Matthews elected to resign here than wait and get the same contract from a US team (which he would have easily been able to do, if not a larger contract).

 

[Mess]

people are actually crying over Tre not signing Dumba , lol

The Leafs were an embarrassing 29th of 32 teams in Dman/defense scoring last year under Dubas.

In an attempt by Treliving to address and fix that you bring in an offensive Dman not only that, but also attempt to get the puck moving forward and get more offense from the supporting cast since you foolishly invested 1/2 your Cap on only 4 forwards.

Choosing Klingberg safeguards the Leafs' cap flexibility and minimizes long-term commitment. Klingberg's rebound potential outweighs his AAV, while a one-year deal allows a swift exit if needed.

Dumba's consideration highlights the Leafs' defensive intent, but Klingberg's proven abilities and adaptability tip the scales. With the quest for a physical blueliner unfulfilled, John Klingberg provides offensive dynamism to help a stagnent Dcore.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

How exactly is it clear that those were his number 1 choices?
And even if they were, not being able to sign any of your number one choices isn't exactly a great thing for a GM.
And that doesn't really excuse signing bad second choices either.
We know one thing for sure. Reaves was his number 1 choice, and that's been a disaster.

Also here’s a thought. If you don’t get the guys you want dont blow all your cap on guys you don’t.
Save it and get guys through the season via trade.
You’d have the flexibility to buy low on Columbus d or Garland or some of the other players on the block.

 

[TheRumble]

Just wanted to point this out:

John Klingberg last year - 67 games, 33 points split between Ducks and Wild. 4 points in 4 playoff games. Salary commanded - 1 year, $4.1 million. This year 10 games, 5 points.

Erik Gustafsson - 70 games, 42 points split between Toronto and Washington. 2 games, 1 point in the playoff. Salary commanded - 1 year, $825,000. This year, 9 games, 4 points. Plays for the Rangers.

What am I missing? Gus seems to bring a lot of the same production that Klingberg did/is and is paide 80% less.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Just wanted to point this out:

John Klingberg last year - 67 games, 33 points split between Ducks and Wild. 4 points in 4 playoff games. Salary commanded - 1 year, $4.1 million. This year 10 games, 5 points.

Erik Gustafsson - 70 games, 42 points split between Toronto and Washington. 2 games, 1 point in the playoff. Salary commanded - 1 year, $825,000. This year, 9 games, 4 points. Plays for the Rangers.

What am I missing? Gus seems to bring a lot of the same production that Klingberg did/is and is paide 80% less.

Who knows. For whatever reason Gustafsson just isn't viewed in the same light. What could've been exploited for a cheap offensive option we instead opted to sign a past his prime guy for his name.

 

[Leafblooded]

This thread isn't ageing well

 

[Mess]

67 games, 33 points split between Ducks and WildJust wanted to point this out:

John Klingberg last year - 67 games, 33 points split between Ducks and Wild. 4 points in 4 playoff games. Salary commanded - 1 year, $4.1 million. This year 10 games, 5 points.

Erik Gustafsson - 70 games, 42 points split between Toronto and Washington. 2 games, 1 point in the playoff. Salary commanded - 1 year, $825,000. This year, 9 games, 4 points. Plays for the Rangers.

What am I missing? Gus seems to bring a lot of the same production that Klingberg did/is and is paide 80% less.

Over the course of the last 5 seasons combined Morgan Rielly is 15th in points among Dmen and Klingberg is #24. While Rielly had 24 goals vs Klingberg 29.

Those totals by Rielly earned him a 8 year $60 mil contract with an average of $7.5 mil AAV. While Klingberg turned down a massive offer before free agency. Dallas Stars had offered Klingberg an 8 year deal at at $7 million AAV earlier in the year, but Klingberg’s camp wanted closer to eight years, but at $8 million.

The Leafs ended up taking a 1 year flyer at $4.15 mil on a player comparable to their own Top scoring Dman after he came off a UFA season of 67 games 10 goals and 33 points compared to Morgan Rielly of 65 games 4 goals and 41 points. Klingberg has taken Rielly's spot on the #1PP in hopes that Leafs will have a 2nd offensive Dman capable of 50-60 points this season.

That is your true comparable of what Treliving attempted in hopes of addressing a Leafs dcore/defense that finished 29th overall in offense from the defense.