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Brad Treliving is doing a great job.
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Evilhomer
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I largely defended Dubas here so I'll defend Treliving as well. I do not like any of his off season moves except for Bertuzzi signing and it looks like I was wrong on that one.
But.
The team he inherited was a good regular season team that had issues getting over the playoff hump so I don't blame him for thinking we were close even if I disagree with the signings - any one of which can pay off in the next 70+ games btw so I'm not even writing them off now.
That being said he deserves a full season and off season to be judged. Treliving is going to have a chance of setting the team up for long term success or wasting it this off season. We'll have a lot of flexibility on going into the '24 off season.
- Domi, Brodie, Bertuzzi, Samsonov, Nylander, Klingberg's contracts are all expiring. I dunno who stays or who goes - there's 70+ games left to make a decision so let's not be rash, but that's anywhere from $3 to $24 million in money off the books, add in the expected cap jump and the team could have as much as $28 million in cap space to work with.
- Treliving has a full draft class to work with (for now at least). We have at least one pick in every round of the 24 draft except for Round 2.
- Still the possibility of in season trades
Treliving is going to be able to make his mark on the team very soon. I was not a fan of his overall body of work in Calgary but he did enough to earn him the benefit of the doubt and I think that means giving him until the 24-25 season.
But.
The team he inherited was a good regular season team that had issues getting over the playoff hump so I don't blame him for thinking we were close even if I disagree with the signings - any one of which can pay off in the next 70+ games btw so I'm not even writing them off now.
That being said he deserves a full season and off season to be judged. Treliving is going to have a chance of setting the team up for long term success or wasting it this off season. We'll have a lot of flexibility on going into the '24 off season.
- Domi, Brodie, Bertuzzi, Samsonov, Nylander, Klingberg's contracts are all expiring. I dunno who stays or who goes - there's 70+ games left to make a decision so let's not be rash, but that's anywhere from $3 to $24 million in money off the books, add in the expected cap jump and the team could have as much as $28 million in cap space to work with.
- Treliving has a full draft class to work with (for now at least). We have at least one pick in every round of the 24 draft except for Round 2.
- Still the possibility of in season trades
Treliving is going to be able to make his mark on the team very soon. I was not a fan of his overall body of work in Calgary but he did enough to earn him the benefit of the doubt and I think that means giving him until the 24-25 season.
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Enough said?
| GP | G | A | P | PPG | 82 GM Pace | ||
| Bertuzzi | $5,500,000.00 | 10 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 0.3 | 25 |
| Domi | $3,000,000.00 | 10 | 0 | 4 | 4 | 0.4 | 33 |
| Reaves | $1,350,000.00 | 10 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 |
| Gregor. | $775,000.00 | 10 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 0.1 | 8 |
| Klingberg | $4,150,000.00 | 10 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 0.5 | 41 |
| Lagesson | $775,000.00 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0.33 | 27 |
| $15,550,000.00 | 53 | 3 | 11 | 14 | 0.26 | 22 |
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Bertuzzi and Domi are lighting money on fire.
Read the post you are responding to next time because what you just said has nothing to do with what I said
Lol this is exactly why I didn't want Dubas to leave, even though he f***ed up with Tavares contract. He knew what the team needs and got those types every summer. While I didn't like him as a GM, he wasn't as bad as this guy. His drafting is straight up garbage, his moves are pathetic at best and his hockey iq seems lower than a guy who has never played hockey but watched it.
The biggest mistake was not singning ROR, Acciri and Schenn. They would've costed less than what we paid for Klingberg, Domi and Bertuzzi and we would've had more weapons.
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CincoHolio
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Anyone complaining about freaking 1yr contracts to any of the free agents we signed this summer, need to chill. They're 1 year contracts - jeez. The team, under no circumstance is forced to re-sign these guys at the end of the year, and with all the other expirings on the team, there is a lot more flexibility to re-shape this team after or even during this season. Expiring contracts are hella valuable at the trade deadline - c'mon people you know this. Then, when Tavares' contract is up, even more flexibility.
So we may have to flush a year if these current additions don't work out. What did y'all expect after the circumstances surrounding Tre coming in super-cold to a position a mere month before free agency?
I'll concede the Reaves & Kampf contracts could be labelled a misstep
GMs get far too much credit for drafting on these boards. Organizations draft players by committee. Calgary vs. Toronto --- which organization would you say has a better reputation for drafting and developing players?
So we may have to flush a year if these current additions don't work out. What did y'all expect after the circumstances surrounding Tre coming in super-cold to a position a mere month before free agency?
I'll concede the Reaves & Kampf contracts could be labelled a misstep
GMs get far too much credit for drafting on these boards. Organizations draft players by committee. Calgary vs. Toronto --- which organization would you say has a better reputation for drafting and developing players?
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Suntouchable13
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But if you flush the year, Matthews and Marner just get a year older and close to the end of their prime. Leafs flushed a lot of years already, especially earlier years with the core being on ELCs. Now they will re-sign Nylander to 10+? That's not what they should be doing. The core needs to be disbanded asap.
Rare Jewel
Patience
Gregor is the one okay signing; Lagesson we'll see.
Kampf being re-signed is another you could add.
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I low key wanted Bunting back. If you're gonna have Bertuzzi and Domi, you might as well have Bunting as well. Those three guys are all known for being shitheads on the ice, it would have meshed well together I think.
But actually the guy I bet you all miss but don't know it is Engvall.
Engvall had a very unique and underrated skill for a bottom 6 player; he was a great skater who could carry the puck through multiple zones. He didn't hit or bang in the corners but you pair him with 1 or 2 players that do and you got yourself a great 3rd/4th line that has a great puck mover + a grinders. Also unlike Bertuzzi and Domi, Engvall was a very good defensive forward. He was often deployed on the PK and in 5v6 situations. It's a shame we traded him when we did. The guy was good for 15-20 goals a year and almost never played with Marner, Matthews, Nylander or Tavares.
Machinae
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Dumping Lafferty when the team needs speed, forechecking, and "snot" because Tre couldn't shave an extra 300k off any of his offseason signings is also starting to look really bad. Already his own Marchment for Malgin move, except a 5th round pick is probably worse than Malgin was.
Obviously I didn’t fix the team in a summer but what has he done?
Pizzaboy took over a team that had flaws. They were butter soft and relied far too heavily on the core 4. But they were great at both ends of the ice.
Since he started to “fix” the team they are still butter soft, they still rely too heavily on the core 4 but they are terrible in their own end. He has managed to strip the team of one of its strengths without addressing any of its weaknesses.
Some people are so happy Treliving isn’t Dubas they ignore that he is terrible on his own. Look at the mess he left behind in Calgary.
CabanaBoy5
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Hey Treliving, where is the "snot" you claimed this team added. Thus far, all I've seen from your additions are clear sinus cavities.
Wasting a year is not bad?
I keep seeing you defend bad moves.
Let's hope they turn it around, but so far, this team looks bad.
Engvall is too expensive now for what he brings... but he could have neutralized Reaves' terrible play... he alone can make a line play low event hockey.
Right now I miss Holl, watching Klingberg makes me wish we re-signed Holl (would prefer Schenn over both).
Not true.
He has been on the record saying he chose Nashville because they could offer him being the #1 C spot. They were also prepared to give more term.
The only unflattering thing he said about his time here was it is difficult to drown out the noise from the media and fans.
Some people just don't want the drama that comes playing for a market like Toronto's.
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Yep. The moves made over the summer have done nothing to address our weaknesses but somehow completely nullified one of our strengths.
Of course I am. That's why I criticize bad GMs doing bad things that hurt my team, and support good GMs doing good things that help my team. You should try it sometime.
I've kept a very open mind about Treliving.
It wasn't a great sign when his first priority was signing the worst, most useless player in the league until he's 40, but I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Then he made a number of additional questionable moves, but I tried to be positive and wait to see how things played out.
Well, it's early (and I said that), but everything is going pretty much exactly how I feared so far, and every problem area is something that Treliving had his hands in.
And frankly, it's hard to ignore that he has his fingerprints all over one of the biggest dumpster fires in the league.
Really hoping he can turn this around, because it would be such a Leafy thing for all we've built to go up in smoke because Shanahan had a bad dream one night.
Exactly and the players that left still speak highly of Brad. Both Johnny and
I’m not sure Brodie will be back. Brad let him walk in Calgary, probably gonna do the same thing here.
To be fair to Brad, it’s pretty clear that a lot of the UFA’s were his second choice. His number 1 choices all chose elsewhere. He wanted O’Rielly, Schenn, Dumba, Gudas and Gregor
We ended up with Domi, Bertuzzi, Klingberg, Benoit and Gregor.
Team probably looks a lot different if we get 2 or 3 of those guys from his original list. I’m willing to give Brad another year. I like that he also didn’t trade our first at the draft and kept it.
How exactly is it clear that those were his number 1 choices?
And even if they were, not being able to sign any of your number one choices isn't exactly a great thing for a GM.
And that doesn't really excuse signing bad second choices either.
We know one thing for sure. Reaves was his number 1 choice, and that's been a disaster.
