Brad Treliving- 1st year complete.

[usernamezrhardtodo]

It still amazes me how much money Klingberg lost by not taking Dallas' 6x6 offer a few years ago. He thought he could get more and instead his career fell off a cliff.

Is Derren Ferris his agent perhaps?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Not only are you wrong (as usual), but you can't even see when people are making fun of your posts!

Choosing not to engage your deflections is not the same as not seeing your failed attempts to mock. Ironically, while most of your post was wrong, your underlying argument (making bad, emotionally-based decisions that hurt the team will lead to worse playoff outcomes) actually supports my position that we shouldn't make a bad, emotionally-based decision that will hurt the team.

I suppose that’s possible but after 8 years of failure with this core and cap allocation model I doubt the are miraculously suddenly go from first round losers to cup winners

We haven't had 8 years with this whole core or with this cap allocation model (which is changing naturally anyway, regardless of what we do), and going from barely losing to cup finalists to beating cup finalists is not the leap you pretend it is. Either way, continuing to get worse doesn't get us closer to being a cup winner.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

It still amazes me how much money Klingberg lost by not taking Dallas' 6x6 offer a few years ago. He thought he could get more and instead his career fell off a cliff.

It was $7.25 x 8 ($58M total) he turned down.

He'll never sniff anywhere close to that now. Normally I'd feel bad for someone in that situation. But he's made over $40M already.

I think he'ill be okay.

 

[Racer88]

We haven't had 8 years with this whole core or with this cap allocation model (which is changing naturally anyway, regardless of what we do), and going from barely losing to cup finalists to beating cup finalists is not the leap you pretend it is. Either way, continuing to get worse doesn't get us closer to being a cup winner.

Let’s even reduce it to 6 seasons and yes we are a long way from being a contender. Our core forwards are soft and can’t score in the playoffs. Our top Dman Reilly is a number 2 or possibly a number 3. Our goaltending is a mess after 5 years of Dubas dumpster diving for goalies. So yes we are a long way away

 

[HockeyVirus]

Let’s even reduce it to 6 seasons and yes we are a long way from being a contender. Our core forwards are soft and can’t score in the playoffs. Our top Dman Reilly is a number 2 or possibly a number 3. Our goaltending is a mess after 5 years of Dubas dumpster diving for goalies. So yes we are a long way away

Will be interesting to see if they run back the core and they make a deep run the narrative spins. It will be Berube is a hockey savant most likely, but all these folks making claims like Rielly is a #3 and our forwards are all soft will pretend they never said those things. Nonsense.

Marner is soft, rest are not.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Tre if you sign Marner you are a failure.

 

[ToneDog]

Will be interesting to see if they run back the core and they make a deep run the narrative spins. It will be Berube is a hockey savant most likely, but all these folks making claims like Rielly is a #3 and our forwards are all soft will pretend they never said those things. Nonsense.

Marner is soft, rest are not.

Eight years in a row says odds are this core is not making a deep run. I keep watching the Titanic, hoping it makes it across the ocean, but each time it ends the same way.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Eight years in a row says odds are this core is not making a deep run. I keep watching the Titanic, hoping it makes it across the ocean, but each time it ends the same way.

Our best right handed dman in that time was Luke Schenn. Our best goalie was Andersen who was a playoff choke artist himself. Our next best was Jack Campbell...

Get someone who can make a save and an actual right handed NHL dman and see if this team can do something

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Our best right handed dman in that time was Luke Schenn. Our best goalie was Andersen who was a playoff choke artist himself. Our next best was Jack Campbell...

Get someone who can make a save and an actual right handed NHL dman and see if this team can do something

Great ideas.

Exactly why we need to move on from Marner

 

[HockeyVirus]

Great ideas.

Exactly why we need to move on from Marner

Agreed. However in the context of our discussion, the issue is likely not the players it's the overall team. Marner can easily go on to win a cup elsewhere contributing the whole way.

 

[ToneDog]

Our best right handed dman in that time was Luke Schenn. Our best goalie was Andersen who was a playoff choke artist himself. Our next best was Jack Campbell...

Get someone who can make a save and an actual right handed NHL dman and see if this team can do something

That would help but the 3 amigos have to prove they can score more than one goal in big playoff games. So far they have failed miserably and it is why I give them most of the blame for our playoff failures.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

That would help but the 3 amigos have to prove they can score more than one goal in big playoff games

Marner has never scored in a game 5,6,7

 

[rumman]

Marner has never scored in a game 5,6,7

perspective............

 

[ToneDog]

perspective............

Marner has never scored in a game 5,6,7

I believe that is 12 games. Not a large enough sample size.

 

[Racer88]

Will be interesting to see if they run back the core and they make a deep run the narrative spins. It will be Berube is a hockey savant most likely, but all these folks making claims like Rielly is a #3 and our forwards are all soft will pretend they never said those things. Nonsense.

Marner is soft, rest are not.

If they make a deep run of course I will adjust my opinion because all I want is for them to win. However all we have right now is 6-8 years of playoff futility and we can base our opinions on that evidence, anything else is just hopeful speculation. We hear about lessons learned and almost beat the other team……..the time is over for that nonsense is now, in the words of the immortal Yoda……”do or do not there is no try”

I believe that is 12 games. Not a large enough sample size.

Again the reason it’s not a larger sample size is because he doesn’t score when it matters

Agreed. However in the context of our discussion, the issue is likely not the players it's the overall team. Marner can easily go on to win a cup elsewhere contributing the whole way.

That very well may be the case but why won’t he do it here?

 

[HockeyVirus]

That would help but the 3 amigos have to prove they can score more than one goal in big playoff games. So far they have failed miserably and it is why I give them most of the blame for our playoff failures.

First year following the team?

 

[HamiltonNHL]

I believe that is 12 games. Not a large enough sample size.

Actually tracking goals is pressuring him, and that’s not fair, we should go by expected goals for him

First year following the team?

Nope !

5 decades.

And Matthews has won one round

 

[HockeyVirus]

Nope !

5 decades.

And Matthews has won one round

And gotten better every year. Not his fault he was held out of games by doctors. First few games of the series he was a beast

 

[Dekes For Days]

Let’s even reduce it to 6 seasons and yes we are a long way from being a contender.

Hasn't been 6 years either, and no we weren't, but we're getting further away, and risk destroying it all this offseason.

 

[ToneDog]

First year following the team?

Now do game #7s.

 

[ToneDog]

And gotten better every year. Not his fault he was held out of games by doctors. First few games of the series he was a beast

Game 2, sure but if he was a beast in games 1 and 3, what do you call what McDavid has done in games 4 and 5 of the SCF?

 

[Gallagbi]

Game 2, sure but if he was a beast in games 1 and 3, what do you call what McDavid has done in games 4 and 5 of the SCF?

A top 5 playoff performance in history?

 

[notbias]

Game 2, sure but if he was a beast in games 1 and 3, what do you call what McDavid has done in games 4 and 5 of the SCF?

One of the best playoff performances ever...

Now do game #7s.

Since we are comparing players, is Kucherov one of the worst players ever? 0 points in game 7s.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Game 2, sure but if he was a beast in games 1 and 3, what do you call what McDavid has done in games 4 and 5 of the SCF?

So the bar is arguably the GOAT player now? Love our fanbase

 

[Racer88]

Hasn't been 6 years either, and no we weren't, but we're getting further away, and risk destroying it all this offseason.

Ok I’m dying to know how many years you think it has been since this core was assembled.

And gotten better every year. Not his fault he was held out of games by doctors. First few games of the series he was a beast

It’s starting to seem like he always has something wrong in the playoffs, last year it was a wonky wrist. When is he going to rise to the level of his contract