Value of: Best Goalie Available - EDM

[DFF]

Salty reply! Broberg and Holloway isn't a cheap asking price for a goaltender, even a 1A. Regardless the Canucks wouldn't move their #1 guy to Edmonton.

It’s not salty. It’s the fact that if you don’t pay, you are stuck with Smith or worse. Nobody is going to give you a real number 1 for unproven prospects

 

[TFHockey]

It’s not salty. It’s the fact that if you don’t pay, you are stuck with Smith or worse. Nobody is going to give you a real number 1 for unproven prospects

I see. Okay, fair enough. Can you tell me what goaltender went for more than an organizations top two prospects? I can't think of any off hand, at least in the modern era of the NHL.

 

[DFF]

I see. Okay, fair enough. Can you tell me what goaltender went for more than an organizations top two prospects? I can't think of any off hand, at least in the modern era of the NHL.

Probably not , but I also do not see too many team trading their number 1. If the oilers want one, they have to overpay. Or they get scrubs like Korp and pray.

 

[KevinRedkey]

2nd for Fleury, that can turn in to a 1st depending on games played in the playoffs makes sense to both teams, doesn't it?

Varlamov is the next best/most realistic option IMO

 

[ManofSteel55]

Agree with you nothing can be done now. The issues with the Defense all started with the Keith trade and tying up that money on a solid 3rd pairing dman. Then doubled down on it by getting another 5 in Ceci. Terrible team construction.

You're kind of missing the point. The issue isn't where these guys fall in on the depth chart. It's just the type of player there. Using EA Sports categories for defensemen, the Oilers have the following:
Offensive Defensemen: Barrie, Bouchard, Keith,
Two Way Defensemen: Nurse, Ceci
Defensive Defensemen: NA

When the closest thing a team has to a shutdown defenseman is Ceci, and then Nurse...or maybe Kris Russell...that's a problem. It's a bad mix. Too many puck movers, not enough shut down guys. Which is where having Larsson still would come in handy.
Nurse - ???
Keith - Ceci
??? - Bouchard

Would be much better than what we have now, if we could find shut down guys appropriate for that spot.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I'd give you Demko for Holloway & Broberg

SOLD! It would suck to lose both Holloway and Broberg, but Demko is a stud.

 

[TFHockey]

You're kind of missing the point. The issue isn't where these guys fall in on the depth chart. It's just the type of player there. Using EA Sports categories for defensemen, the Oilers have the following:
Offensive Defensemen: Barrie, Bouchard, Keith,
Two Way Defensemen: Nurse, Ceci
Defensive Defensemen: NA

When the closest thing a team has to a shutdown defenseman is Ceci, and then Nurse...or maybe Kris Russell...that's a problem. It's a bad mix. Too many puck movers, not enough shut down guys. Which is where having Larsson still would come in handy.
Nurse - ???
Keith - Ceci
??? - Bouchard

Would be much better than what we have now, if we could find shut down guys appropriate for that spot.

Mayfield (RHD) or better yet Artem Zub (RHD)

 

[TFHockey]

I'll give you Markstrom and Kuemper... but not Grubauer.

He signed Smith (July 21) before Grubauer signed (July 28). He didn't fail to get Grubauer before Seattle, he locked up Smith instead and had no room for Grubauer.

The only possible way that you can argue Holland isn't a total idiot on Grubauer is if he reached out to Grubauer's camp and was told they'd refuse to sign any contract in Edmonton (Worried about the goalie grave yard) and communicated that to Holland and co before July 21.



I was chatting with an Oiler fan who was honest and the worst part of the Keith trade was that it allowed Chicago to lock Jones to that stupid contract, which likely caused Edmonton to have to match an increased AAV on Nurse.

Ceci is fine, but almost like a cherry on top of the back line screw up by Holland.

As I recall that was a hectic time. I seem to remember there was speculation Holland was in on Grubauer but then wasn't. So maybe it went down as you suggested. The Oilers were mentioned in relation to every goaltender it seemed for a few days time. Then we saw what was left. Basically the music stopped and Holland didn't have a chair to sit in that wasn't labelled Smith/Koskinen.

 

[elitepete]

SOLD! It would suck to lose both Holloway and Broberg, but Demko is a stud.

Good thing that guy is not the Canucks GM. Would be ridiculous to see Demko in Edmonton.

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

You're kind of missing the point. The issue isn't where these guys fall in on the depth chart. It's just the type of player there. Using EA Sports categories for defensemen, the Oilers have the following:
Offensive Defensemen: Barrie, Bouchard, Keith,
Two Way Defensemen: Nurse, Ceci
Defensive Defensemen: NA

When the closest thing a team has to a shutdown defenseman is Ceci, and then Nurse...or maybe Kris Russell...that's a problem. It's a bad mix. Too many puck movers, not enough shut down guys. Which is where having Larsson still would come in handy.
Nurse - ???
Keith - Ceci
??? - Bouchard

Would be much better than what we have now, if we could find shut down guys appropriate for that spot.

Not really missing it at all. The choice in the summer was neither Keith or Ceci when you were already going to have Barrie and Bouchard in the lineup and a top pairing of Nurse/Barrie. The only team that did a worse job of constructing their defense was Philly. We have seen the results of that.

 

[bernmeister]

Sigh. So here I go.

@bernmeister What would it take to get Georgiev? Do NOT mention Broberg!

I see when you have to, THIS is where you turn to for an honest answer!

expiring rfa Pulj + expiring ufa Kosk + Oil 2023 3rd
for
expiring rfa Strome + expiring ufa Georgiev + NYR 2022 4th

that ^ is my latest

obv balanced, except Kosk is turd so Oil have to add, but better pick is delayed and Ranger 4th is this year.

win win both sides.
Strome adds a bit of scoring for playoffs + Obv Geo big upgrade/experienced starter for p'o. Oil move Kosk w'o retaining.

Rangers finally divorce from RS who they can't afford going forward, and while each has +s and -s, Pulj has better raw tools and is more of a beast. NY will dump Kosk first chance, so no prob there* and there is a pick upgrade even if delayed.
* Those saying no no we need Geo for this year, remember and acknowledge: there is only 1 set of starter mins and they belong to Shesty. Keeping Geo and giving him Shesty starter mins to keep Geo sharp is a prob, as is status quo where Geo eventually gets rusty. This deal resolves that.

Bern and I had agreed on a Georgiev deal without Broberg. I think it was a 2nd or 3rd round pick and a lesser prospect like Lavoie, but I can't recall exactly.

yeah, there were variations on that theme incl if w/w'o retention, but dat wuz den an dis is now.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I see when you have to, THIS is where you turn to for an honest answer!

expiring rfa Pulj + expiring ufa Kosk + Oil 2023 3rd
for
expiring rfa Strome + expiring ufa Georgiev + NYR 2022 4th

that ^ is my latest

obv balanced, except Kosk is turd so Oil have to add, but better pick is delayed and Ranger 4th is this year.

win win both sides.
Strome adds a bit of scoring for playoffs + Obv Geo big upgrade/experienced starter for p'o. Oil move Kosk w'o retaining.

Rangers finally divorce from RS who they can't afford going forward, and while each has +s and -s, Pulj has better raw tools and is more of a beast. NY will dump Kosk first chance, so no prob there* and there is a pick upgrade even if delayed.
* Those saying no no we need Geo for this year, remember and acknowledge: there is only 1 set of starter mins and they belong to Shesty. Keeping Geo and giving him Shesty starter mins to keep Geo sharp is a prob, as is status quo where Geo eventually gets rusty. This deal resolves that.



yeah, there were variations on that theme incl if w/w'o retention, but dat wuz den an dis is now.

That was like, a couple of weeks ago. Asking for Pulujarvi instead right now is just ridiculous.

 

[bernmeister]

That was like, a couple of weeks ago. Asking for Pulujarvi instead right now is just ridiculous.

think more like month and a half ago.
Anyhoo, I want a mutual backscratcher and on paper this is it.
If no for you, so be it.

 

[Oddbob]

I think Fleury can be had for less than a 1st. Goalies always get less than skaters, and Fleury is 37 years old and a pending UFA which lessens his value even more.

 

[Akrapovince]

I wish we could see something ridiculous like Matt Murray at 50% retention on a multi-year deal for one of the Oilers top prospects + a cap dump.

 

[Lemonlimey]

I'll give you Markstrom and Kuemper... but not Grubauer.

He signed Smith (July 21) before Grubauer signed (July 28). He didn't fail to get Grubauer before Seattle, he locked up Smith instead and had no room for Grubauer.

The only possible way that you can argue Holland isn't a total idiot on Grubauer is if he reached out to Grubauer's camp and was told they'd refuse to sign any contract in Edmonton (Worried about the goalie grave yard) and communicated that to Holland and co before July 21.



I was chatting with an Oiler fan who was honest and the worst part of the Keith trade was that it allowed Chicago to lock Jones to that stupid contract, which likely caused Edmonton to have to match an increased AAV on Nurse.

Ceci is fine, but almost like a cherry on top of the back line screw up by Holland.

Holland probably thought Grubuaer was staying in Colorado, as that’s what Joe Sakic certainly did until the last minute. His surprise bolt to Seattle really screwed both franchises, as the Avs had a deal ready to offer Freddy Andersen had they thought Grub was going, which would have left Kuemper available to Edmonton.

I hadn’t considered the effect of the Keith and Jones trades on Nurse’s AAV. It’s like the universe intended an Oilers butterfly effect that only backfires on itself.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Mayfield (RHD) or better yet Artem Zub (RHD)

Zub won't happen. Mayfield also likely won't but is far more realistic than Zub.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I wish we could see something ridiculous like Matt Murray at 50% retention on a multi-year deal for one of the Oilers top prospects + a cap dump.

That's too ballsy for Holland.

Although Murray's recent play makes me feel that he might just be staying in Ottawa.

 

[bruins4thecup65]

Ullmark would require a 1rst and a top prospect plus a cap dump ( Kassian )

 

[TFHockey]

Ullmark would require a 1rst and a top prospect plus a cap dump ( Kassian )

Kassian is out with a broken jaw for weeks.

 

[TFHockey]

think more like month and a half ago.
Anyhoo, I want a mutual backscratcher and on paper this is it.
If no for you, so be it.

I think Puljujarvi is a non-starter for the Oilers. He is the best guy they have on the right side. Young and strong and finally coming into his own. He doesn't have a ton of goals but he is doing everything to get his linemates scoring chances. Not a guy they can give up IMHO.

Yamamoto has a motor - Yamamotor, and in spite of his size he is a fireplug. However he is a guy I'd move.

Strome isn't needed right now. Oilers need a goalie and some mid pairing D.

 

[BudBundy]

Good grief. Big payments for Georgiev. Or Korpisalo. Or Matt Murray. Or Ville Husso. If we are trading for a goalie, shouldn’t he be better than what we’ve already got?? I’d rather see what Woodcroft can do with the structure (cuz no goalie will look good with the shots the Oilers allow continuously) and roll with Skinner to see what he can do. He’s been “lights out” in the AHL this year and very good last year.

 

[GOilers88]

I think Puljujarvi is a non-starter for the Oilers. He is the best guy they have on the right side. Young and strong and finally coming into his own. He doesn't have a ton of goals but he is doing everything to get his linemates scoring chances. Not a guy they can give up IMHO.

Yamamoto has a motor - Yamamotor, and in spite of his size he is a fireplug. However he is a guy I'd move.

Strome isn't needed right now. Oilers need a goalie and some mid pairing D.

Yamamotor. Love it

 

[Kaibur]

I think Holland's press conference on Tippett has some great quotes that show he's not likely to make a big trade at this point. It sounds like his "gut instinct" is that the firing should be enough.

 

[McBooya42]

He was part of the issue.

Him and Playfair, yeah. The defensive system of giving up the blue line did not work with what we have for D. Expect the defenI've play to improve dramatically under Manson and Woody.