Value of: Best Goalie Available - EDM

[MessierII]

Dobson however will become a better all around player while being able to QB a power play. Barrie is honestly just a PP specialist and not worth the trade for the Islanders.

Islanders need scoring. Badly in fact. They probably have the least productive blue line in the nhl. 105 totals goals for is worst in the nhl right now. Barrie had more even strength points in last years shortened season than any islanders D has total points right now. More than specialist he’s a high end offensive D.

 

[miscs75]

Islanders need scoring. Badly in fact. They probably have the least productive blue line in the nhl. 105 totals goals for is worst in the nhl right now. Barrie had more even strength points in last years shortened season than any islanders D has total points right now. More than specialist he’s a high end offensive D.

Can he play forward? If not, not worth it in the end. The major issues they have are upfront which in return taxes the blueline. There’s no reason to weaken the blueline from a defensive point to obtain a guy who brings nothing outside of offense. Now if the Islanders weren’t moving any core pieces/had an equal cap dump to offer in return (in both term and AAV), then there’s a possibility at a deal. Considering the fact that Edmonton isn’t in the market to take back cap in return, there’s no deal. Why move Mayfield who’s one of the best value defensemen in the league (with term) for a guy who’s just going to be exposed defensively (and costs 3x the amount with an additional year).

 

[MessierII]

Can he play forward? If not, not worth it in the end. The major issues they have are upfront which in return taxes the blueline. There’s no reason to weaken the blueline from a defensive point to obtain a guy who brings nothing outside of offense. Now if the Islanders weren’t moving any core pieces/had an equal cap dump to offer in return (in both term and AAV), then there’s a possibility at a deal. Considering the fact that Edmonton isn’t in the market to take back cap in return, there’s no deal. Why move Mayfield who’s one of the best value defensemen in the league (with term) for a guy who’s just going to be exposed defensively (and costs 3x the amount with an additional year).

Doesn’t necessarily have to be for mayfeild. I would do something around Varlamov and Barrie too for cap purposes.

 

[miscs75]

Doesn’t necessarily have to be for mayfeild. I would do something around Varlamov and Barrie too for cap purposes.

Eat part of Barrie’s cap hit to make it work for Varlamov or add in something worthwhile (pick/prospect). Barrie also shoots right which is already jam packed at the NHL level and I can’t see him playing his off side.

 

[McSuper]

Agree, but cost of removal just as there is cost for acquisition.

Ya want Kosk gone? At full pop, no retain? And add Geo? and useful stopgap rental Strome to add p'o offense? And recover a bit of cap while you currently have ZERO?

expiring Strome at half + rfa Geo + NYR 2022 4th
for
rfa Pulj + expiring Kosk + Oil 2023 3rd

losing Pulj is a wince but you are coming out way ahead and it works for NY too

Like you say in your post Puljujarvi value is that of a 4th OA pick . You want him alone your offer falls short .

 

[bernmeister]

No. Help me understand why Geo is a clear upgrade over Koskinen.

Season:
Koski: 16-8-2, 3.15 GAA, .900 SV%
Geo: 7-7-2, 2.99 GAA, .898 SV%

Since Jan 1st:
Koski: 4-2-2, 3.14 GAA, .895%
Geo: 2-4-0, 3.21 GAA, .891%

Why are we trading Koski, JP and the better pick for a goalie who is doing worse and expiring Ryan Strome?

As has been made abundantly clear, we cracked the code.
When Geo gets mo regular work as a starter, he is sharper. Won't be the first or last netminder who rolls like that. Additionally, I get the feeling he is confident in a matchup vs someone his level. But I believe deep, deep down he knows he isn't better than Shesty or anyone else who is a top 5 G. I think that realization he can't beat Shesty for starter's gig affects his performance. He imo feels pressure to play above what he is able. And it screws him up. He would not have that prob in EDM or like 25 other clubs w/o a top top G he'd feel too intimidated to beat out.
And while he may get outplayed by a superior G on an opposing club, he can steal games even vs top opponents. The key is that they are opponents, not directly competing w/him for his job.

So bottom line here: Kosk is a siv. He can't be relied on which is why you guys get desperate need to upgrade. Geo's worse #s since Jan reflect Shesty return to top position, which is consistent with what I said. Give him starter mins, lose Kosk --- which I am willing to do at full pop, no retention --- and it is not a slam dunk esp vs powerhouse like Avs who beat both Geo AND Shesty. But it is a much better chance.

As for the rest of it, the pick is a 4th which Oil do not have this yr for a better 3rd but it is not realized until next yr, so that is fair, given totality of deal.

Your dealing rfa for rfa and expiring for expiring, but with manipulation to throw you a bit of cap which is critical when you have none. And Strome, while not a better overall player compared to Pulj, will not hurt as to middle 6 offense.
Also consider, you are presently zero cap space. How much better will it be next season? Dramatically? If not, Pulj will cost a raise to return. When you are this tight on cap, do you want to go thru further cap gymnastics? Or do you want to give mins to Holloway, McLeod etc?

Also, Strome might re-up cheap w/Leafs. Maybe flip the already retained Strome out of conf to TOR for a prospect and a pick? Your Fs can would be stronger with him, but could handle the cut, and you build a little, maybe?

Trust this was helpful answer to a fair ?.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

As has been made abundantly clear, we cracked the code.
When Geo gets mo regular work as a starter, he is sharper. Won't be the first or last netminder who rolls like that. Additionally, I get the feeling he is confident in a matchup vs someone his level. But I believe deep, deep down he knows he isn't better than Shesty or anyone else who is a top 5 G. I think that realization he can't beat Shesty for starter's gig affects his performance. He imo feels pressure to play above what he is able. And it screws him up. He would not have that prob in EDM or like 25 other clubs w/o a top top G he'd feel too intimidated to beat out.
And while he may get outplayed by a superior G on an opposing club, he can steal games even vs top opponents. The key is that they are opponents, not directly competing w/him for his job.

So bottom line here: Kosk is a siv. He can't be relied on which is why you guys get desperate need to upgrade. Geo's worse #s since Jan reflect Shesty return to top position, which is consistent with what I said. Give him starter mins, lose Kosk --- which I am willing to do at full pop, no retention --- and it is not a slam dunk esp vs powerhouse like Avs who beat both Geo AND Shesty. But it is a much better chance.

As for the rest of it, the pick is a 4th which Oil do not have this yr for a better 3rd but it is not realized until next yr, so that is fair, given totality of deal.

Your dealing rfa for rfa and expiring for expiring, but with manipulation to throw you a bit of cap which is critical when you have none. And Strome, while not a better overall player compared to Pulj, will not hurt as to middle 6 offense.
Also consider, you are presently zero cap space. How much better will it be next season? Dramatically? If not, Pulj will cost a raise to return. When you are this tight on cap, do you want to go thru further cap gymnastics? Or do you want to give mins to Holloway, McLeod etc?

Also, Strome might re-up cheap w/Leafs. Maybe flip the already retained Strome out of conf to TOR for a prospect and a pick? Your Fs can would be stronger with him, but could handle the cut, and you build a little, maybe?

Trust this was helpful answer to a fair ?.

It's not. Using one hot streak to justify that he would be a huge upgrade isn't worth trading a better, younger player and a better pick. Georgiev had one good month/one good stretch, saying you "cracked the code" as if it guarantees he will be better with more work is kind of absurd.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

Agree, but cost of removal just as there is cost for acquisition.

Ya want Kosk gone? At full pop, no retain? And add Geo? and useful stopgap rental Strome to add p'o offense? And recover a bit of cap while you currently have ZERO?

expiring Strome at half + rfa Geo + NYR 2022 4th
for
rfa Pulj + expiring Kosk + Oil 2023 3rd

losing Pulj is a wince but you are coming out way ahead and it works for NY too

Pass. Puljujarvi is by far the most valuable piece in that entire deal, and all things considered I don’t move him alone for that package since there’s zero chance we could keep Strome.

Georgiev is nothing but a B goalie in a 1A/1B rotation, more of what we already have.

 

[bernmeister]

It's not. Using one hot streak to justify that he would be a huge upgrade isn't worth trading a better, younger player and a better pick. Georgiev had one good month/one good stretch, saying you "cracked the code" as if it guarantees he will be better with more work is kind of absurd.

But it's not a matter of him being hot in a vacuum.
It is a matter of we identified the conditions which empower him to play in top form,
Unfortunately, that is not NYR as a match going forward, b'c there is only 1 set of starter's mins, and those go to Shesty. So we need to find a match, pref but not nec out of conf, and deal for fair value. Ideally a package w/Strome b'c we can't extend him.
Oil fit both those NYR prefs and can offer such starter mins condition.
Whether or not EDM should do this deal depends on if they have better options, which I don't see. If you do pls identify.

 

[bernmeister]

Pass. Puljujarvi is by far the most valuable piece in that entire deal, and all things considered I don’t move him alone for that package since there’s zero chance we could keep Strome.

Georgiev is nothing but a B goalie in a 1A/1B rotation, more of what we already have.

Your no vote is acknowledged and appreciated.
I disagree w/your conclusion, that Geo is "more of what we already have" b'c Geo as starter is better than Kosk or other current Oil options. But we will see.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

Can you imagine the fan backlash if the Oilers traded the Bison King and all we got back was pending RFA Georgiev?

 

[TFHockey]

Eat part of Barrie’s cap hit to make it work for Varlamov or add in something worthwhile (pick/prospect). Barrie also shoots right which is already jam packed at the NHL level and I can’t see him playing his off side.

I think Barrie helps the islanders improve their power play quite a bit. I don't see the Oilers having to realistically retain anything on Barrie's contract. It isn't overly long and it isn't overly expensive.

If the brain trust in long island doesn't want him, that is okay too.

Varlamov is currently your $5 Million dollar back up. He signed beyond next year. Between him and Sorokin NYI has $9 million locked up in goal. That's a lot. I think there is value in moving him to free up space, but this is ultimately something the Islanders have to decide for themselves.

I see that currently Varlamov is on Covid protocol so he isn't immediately going to be moved.

 

[TFHockey]

It's easy to get excited by the prospect of it

SWEEEEP!!!

MAF is your guy. He’s playing great. Go get him! Going to be expensive. 2nd + 4th + good (not great) prospect like Savoie.

but you keep your first, Holloway and Broberg.

Think Holland can pry Gibson away from Anaheim? The Ducks sure as heck left him out to dry tonight. May be the best thing for him

 

[A1LeafNation]

SWEEEEP!!!



Think Holland can pry Gibson away from Anaheim? The Ducks sure as heck left him out to dry tonight. May be the best thing for him

Only if it wasn't Holland.

Holland will trade for Georgiev thinking he is getting Gibson.

 

[Holy Slapshot]

So far we have :

Demko (!)
Ullmark
Samsonov
Vanecek
Lehtonen
Allen
Holtby
Anderson
Georgiev
Mrazek
Husso
Binninton
Stolarz
Reimer
Forsberg
MAF

Am I missing anyone?

From this list, I don't think anyone from playoff team or wannabe playoff team is available. You need a veteran better than Koskinen to save this season... ....or some young inexpensive goalie who might become a plan for the future with those horrible cap issues and maybe still save this season after fresh start. That would be the best move.
However from the first group only MAF and Varlamov are realistic. Don't think Halak, Anderson or likes would cut it. Then Reimer maybe if Sharks are selling (they should), Holtby/Quick if Stars/LA are... Which I doubt. Forsberg might be a dark horse in this race but that's it.
And the second group is even thinner. Only an idiot would trade away Demko. That leaves just Vejmelka with zero playoff experience, so desperate move anyway, but might be great if he sign cheap and will keep his standard.

 

[McJedi]

SWEEEEP!!!



Think Holland can pry Gibson away from Anaheim? The Ducks sure as heck left him out to dry tonight. May be the best thing for him

That deal starts with Holloway and Broberg. Too expensive.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think I would trade Allen for two 2nd's. One in 2023 and one in 2024. And we can take back an expiring contract if you have cap issues.

 

[islesny88]

I think Barrie helps the islanders improve their power play quite a bit. I don't see the Oilers having to realistically retain anything on Barrie's contract. It isn't overly long and it isn't overly expensive.

If the brain trust in long island doesn't want him, that is okay too.

Varlamov is currently your $5 Million dollar back up. He signed beyond next year. Between him and Sorokin NYI has $9 million locked up in goal. That's a lot. I think there is value in moving him to free up space, but this is ultimately something the Islanders have to decide for themselves.

I see that currently Varlamov is on Covid protocol so he isn't immediately going to be moved.

I agree with everything you said about our goaltending situation. Varlamov has more value to us as a trade chip atm rather than sitting as our back up for what is a long shot at best to get back into playoff contention.

I just don't see Barrie as the player the Isles would target for two reasons. One, we're relatively set on the right side of the defense. Pulock, Dobson, and Mayfield all compliment each other well and I don't see Barrie as a major upgrade considering it would cost us arguably our best trade chip. Also, although his contract is reasonable, I think the isles try and shed a contract or two that extend past this year, not add anymore.

I think if a trade is made, it starts with a swap of Koskinen and Varlamov to offset salaries. Given the difference in talent, I think the isles ask for one of the Oilers better prospects that are close to breaking into the NHL on LD or a forward. I'm not educated to how the Oilers feel about their prospects but Broberg or Holloway would be my ask. Again, not sure about their values within the organizations so Isles add if necessary to even it out.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I think Barrie helps the islanders improve their power play quite a bit. I don't see the Oilers having to realistically retain anything on Barrie's contract. It isn't overly long and it isn't overly expensive.

If the brain trust in long island doesn't want him, that is okay too.

Varlamov is currently your $5 Million dollar back up. He signed beyond next year. Between him and Sorokin NYI has $9 million locked up in goal. That's a lot. I think there is value in moving him to free up space, but this is ultimately something the Islanders have to decide for themselves.

I see that currently Varlamov is on Covid protocol so he isn't immediately going to be moved.

I can't see the Islanders being interested in Barrie when they have Pulock and Dobson on the right side already. Doesn't scream "this is a guy Lou Lamoriello would love" to me either. Barrie will have interest if the Oilers decide to shop him around, but I don't think it would be from the Islanders.

 

[ManofSteel55]

That deal starts with Holloway and Broberg. Too expensive.

There have been plenty of discussions with Ducks fans who would be fine with a package that includes only one of those guys. That said, I have no idea what Verbeek is doing in Anaheim, but I wouldn't expect a new GM's first move to be to trade away his most important player.

 

[TFHockey]

That deal starts with Holloway and Broberg. Too expensive.

Well that might be the fan ask on here, but what would the real world ask be? Gibson could be the answer in net for the Oilers. If they had even above average goaltending they're a threat to take the Pacific.

Gibson is one of the few goalies I'd actually move Holloway for.

I have to believe Holland is still looking. Two of those three goals last night I think Smith would want back.

Zegras is unreal.

Drysdale is going to be a stud D man for a decade +.

Let's say Holland is willing to move Holloway and Broberg (I don't think he is, or the balls to do that, personally) I'd be comfortable with:

Holloway (ELC)
Broberg (ELC)
Koskinen (pending UFA, must waive (!) to go to Anaheim)
Tyson Barrie RHD (2 years left after this one)
Yamamoto (pending RFA)
($10.175 Million going out)
Pick to be negotiated

for

Gibson (assumes he is willing to waive to come to Edmonton) ($6.4 Million long term)
Lindholm (assuming he isn't going to sign in Anaheim) (Pending UFA)
(about $11.6 Million going out)

Some big assumptions here. Ducks get the best prospects the Oilers have and a young player in Yamamoto. Take on a short dump in Koskinen for about 40 games. Take on Barrie's contract which ISN'T a dump but is there to even out the money. Anaheim can flip him at the deadline for a pick.

Holland tries desperately to sign Lindholm, who may just end up coming back to Anaheim anyway.

From this list, I don't think anyone from playoff team or wannabe playoff team is available. You need a veteran better than Koskinen to save this season... ....or some young inexpensive goalie who might become a plan for the future with those horrible cap issues and maybe still save this season after fresh start. That would be the best move.
However from the first group only MAF and Varlamov are realistic. Don't think Halak, Anderson or likes would cut it. Then Reimer maybe if Sharks are selling (they should), Holtby/Quick if Stars/LA are... Which I doubt. Forsberg might be a dark horse in this race but that's it.
And the second group is even thinner. Only an idiot would trade away Demko. That leaves just Vejmelka with zero playoff experience, so desperate move anyway, but might be great if he sign cheap and will keep his standard.

As it is they're just two points out of 2nd with a game in hand over Vegas. Can they catch the Flames? Well, Calgary would actually have to lose a game for starters.

 

[McJedi]

Well that might be the fan ask on here, but what would the real world ask be? Gibson could be the answer in net for the Oilers. If they had even above average goaltending they're a threat to take the Pacific.

Gibson is one of the few goalies I'd actually move Holloway for.

I have to believe Holland is still looking. Two of those three goals last night I think Smith would want back.

Zegras is unreal.

Drysdale is going to be a stud D man for a decade +.

Let's say Holland is willing to move Holloway and Broberg (I don't think he is, or the balls to do that, personally) I'd be comfortable with:

Holloway (ELC)
Broberg (ELC)
Koskinen (pending UFA, must waive (!) to go to Anaheim)
Tyson Barrie RHD (2 years left after this one)
Yamamoto (pending RFA)
($10.175 Million going out)
Pick to be negotiated

for

Gibson (assumes he is willing to waive to come to Edmonton) ($6.4 Million long term)
Lindholm (assuming he isn't going to sign in Anaheim) (Pending UFA)
(about $11.6 Million going out)

Some big assumptions here. Ducks get the best prospects the Oilers have and a young player in Yamamoto. Take on a short dump in Koskinen for about 40 games. Take on Barrie's contract which ISN'T a dump but is there to even out the money. Anaheim can flip him at the deadline for a pick.

Holland tries desperately to sign Lindholm, who may just end up coming back to Anaheim anyway.



As it is they're just two points out of 2nd with a game in hand over Vegas. Can they catch the Flames? Well, Calgary would actually have to lose a game for starters.

Doesn’t seem to be a totally outrageous proposal. See what Duck fans say.

 

[Holy Slapshot]

As it is they're just two points out of 2nd with a game in hand over Vegas. Can they catch the Flames? Well, Calgary would actually have to lose a game for starters.

And another two above both Ducks and Kings I'm just saying, if they aren't in playoffs with this team, it's a disaster.

Also I don't think that Gibson proposal could be done in real life and expect it being hated here as blue chips prospects are vastly overvalued at HF... But I'd do it if I was Holland and this was on the table. Remodeling the win-now team with obvious weaknesses into win-now team that might go for the cup is worth it.

 

[McBooya42]

Well that might be the fan ask on here, but what would the real world ask be? Gibson could be the answer in net for the Oilers. If they had even above average goaltending they're a threat to take the Pacific.

Gibson is one of the few goalies I'd actually move Holloway for.

I have to believe Holland is still looking. Two of those three goals last night I think Smith would want back.

Zegras is unreal.

Drysdale is going to be a stud D man for a decade +.

Let's say Holland is willing to move Holloway and Broberg (I don't think he is, or the balls to do that, personally) I'd be comfortable with:

Holloway (ELC)
Broberg (ELC)
Koskinen (pending UFA, must waive (!) to go to Anaheim)
Tyson Barrie RHD (2 years left after this one)
Yamamoto (pending RFA)
($10.175 Million going out)
Pick to be negotiated

for

Gibson (assumes he is willing to waive to come to Edmonton) ($6.4 Million long term)
Lindholm (assuming he isn't going to sign in Anaheim) (Pending UFA)
(about $11.6 Million going out)

Some big assumptions here. Ducks get the best prospects the Oilers have and a young player in Yamamoto. Take on a short dump in Koskinen for about 40 games. Take on Barrie's contract which ISN'T a dump but is there to even out the money. Anaheim can flip him at the deadline for a pick.

Holland tries desperately to sign Lindholm, who may just end up coming back to Anaheim anyway.



As it is they're just two points out of 2nd with a game in hand over Vegas. Can they catch the Flames? Well, Calgary would actually have to lose a game for starters.

Too expensive for a goalie (yes that we could use) and an RFA. Not a chance in hell you give up Holloway AND Broberg for that. Maybe one of them, but not both.

 

[TFHockey]

Too expensive for a goalie (yes that we could use) and an RFA. Not a chance in hell you give up Holloway AND Broberg for that. Maybe one of them, but not both.

What if the Oilers also asked for Rakell? Pending UFA, $3.789 Million pro rated.