Value of: Best Goalie Available - EDM

[McJedi]

That's the issue. There are a lot of goalies out there. There aren't many goalies that are actually...uh...good. Good goaltending is what is lacking in Edmonton. We have guys to pull on a jersey and try already, ha ha.

MAF is your guy. He’s playing great. Go get him! Going to be expensive. 2nd + 4th + good (not great) prospect like Savoie.

but you keep your first, Holloway and Broberg.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

MAF is your guy. He’s playing great. Go get him! Going to be expensive. 2nd + 4th + good (not great) prospect like Savoie.

but you keep your first, Holloway and Broberg.

I'd do this, if the Hawks retain and we can include Koskinen.

 

[McJedi]

I'd do this, if the Hawks retain and we can include Koskinen.

Seems like there could be a deal here. Turn the 4th into a 2024 3rd and add those other parts you mention as they favor the Oil. Koskinen is just a body for Chicago to finish out a tank season, where they don’t have a first. Ouch.

 

[Mr Positive]

Anton forsberg isn't much of an upgrade on what the Oilers already have - too many back ups, not enough starters.

Forsberg is interesting because he gets good stats on a bad team. For a while he had the best stats on his team, before Murray improved.

Imo that's the kind of goalie to look at. Seemingly unimpressive stats, but is great compared to the other goalies on the team, and the team is bad

 

[TFHockey]

San Jose doesn’t have much of a roster. Kings are a better NHL team. Not there yet but trending in the right direction.

Looks like the Oilers were the better team last night. Back to back games and a sweep of California. Now in a playoff spot. Not too shabby.

They're playing a much better structured game under Woodcroft.

Oilers still need a goaltender. Don't let this 3-0 heater fool you.

 

[Dwalexa1023]

Looks like the Oilers were the better team last night. Back to back games and a sweep of California. Now in a playoff spot. Not too shabby.

They're playing a much better structured game under Woodcroft.

Oilers still need a goaltender. Don't let this 3-0 heater fool you.

Not a sweep of California unless they beat the Ducks on Thursday

 

[TFHockey]

Not a sweep of California unless they beat the Ducks on Thursday

You're right! I spoke too soon.

 

[Dwalexa1023]

You're right! I spoke too soon.

It's easy to get excited by the prospect of it

 

[bernmeister]

MAF is your guy. He’s playing great. Go get him! Going to be expensive. 2nd + 4th + good (not great) prospect like Savoie.

but you keep your first, Holloway and Broberg.

he will cost more, no basis for one team to do another a back scratch w'o a reason.
Also, granted MAF has the resume and the experience.
But career wise, his game has been based on being able to control superior reaction speed reflexes.
The day those reflexes go.....

 

[ManofSteel55]

MAF is your guy. He’s playing great. Go get him! Going to be expensive. 2nd + 4th + good (not great) prospect like Savoie.

but you keep your first, Holloway and Broberg.

He also would have to agree to go to Edmonton. I'm sure he'd much rather go to Washington, or back to Pittsburgh, or to a few other teams that need goaltending going into the playoffs.

 

[YP44]

If Lehner is out long term I wonder who they get as they definitely will not be standing pat. Could drive up cost for Edmonton.

 

[Price is Wright]

He also would have to agree to go to Edmonton. I'm sure he'd much rather go to Washington, or back to Pittsburgh, or to a few other teams that need goaltending going into the playoffs.

Edmonton has won three straight. The coaching change has helped.

I got no idea how Washington affords it. Pittsburgh is a much better choice. I could see him going to the Penguins to help Jarry.

 

[BlueSeal]

Edmonton is a goalie short of being the real deal.

I don’t know if Flower is that goalie for them.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I’m not so sure Edmonton should be trading *for* a goalie as much as they should be trading *away* a goalie. Stuart Skinner is ready and better than either Koskinen or Smith.

 

[goal1228]

Factoring in cap hits, reality, no trade clauses and that we won't be landing a Vezina goalie. More likely a tandem to shore things up with one of Smith/Koski. I'd like Smith to be the piece going the other way as he has that second year but not sure if they will trade him out of loyalty. They should but Holland's 'gut' might not like that. Although he did fire his best friend.. who know?

IF Varlamov waives to come.. he is our best bet at a playoff run. They need cap space and Skarek is on his way to be a good 1B to an amazing Sorokin (think Vladar/Markstrom). Isles would be clearing cap and a year of contract... those 2 things are worth something and have value in a cap world. Price should be reasonable. Upside would be Varlamov/Skinner next year with Kono knocking on the door. A good goalie situation indeed. We do have LTIR space if we keep Kass out till playoffs which seems to be a thing in the NHL these days (stone and kucherov).

If they fall out of race in Vancouver, Halak is another great bet! Not sure if he has trade protection... probably does. He could make a nice run. Inexpensive.

Third is Stolarz.. Dostal is coming, he is playing well and is not expensive. Division rival is a problem but I don't think he is in the picture for next season in Anaheim.

Then Samsonov/Vanecek if they get Fleury (he's not coming to Canada) - take the one they don't want, they'll also want cap space mostly. Young and goalie of the future.

Koskinen is now an inexpensive 1B and should be part of it with a prospect (eg. cap is reducing daily and UFA.. a non playoff team could take that easily and say goodbye in Spring).

What I think will happen? Smith and Koski till Spring and it won't work.

I'd like to see Valarmov somehow end up in Edmonton
He was real good for the Isles the last 2 post seasons.

 

[MessierII]

Would isles fans consider

Koskinen, Barrie, Samurokov, 2nd round pick

for

Varlamov and Mayfeild

 

[Mal Reynolds]

Would isles fans consider

Koskinen, Barrie, Samurokov, 2nd round pick

for

Varlamov and Mayfeild

No. You're missing a piece or two.

I'm not of the belief Barrie is a negative value asset but I don't think he carries much value. Perhaps a 3rd or a 4th...? You need to find a team who has the need for a PMD & the personnel to help mask his defensive shortcomings. Not impossible but a bit tricky. The Isles could use a PMD but I don't see Barrie as a good fit in their system... like at all....

Koskinen, whatever, he's there to make the money work. Expiring deal, so I don't necessarily think he'd cost an arm and a leg to dump.

The Samurukov/2nd part.... that probably gets you one of the 2 players... I think that's probably enough for Varlamov, but the Isles don't have to move him. They seem to value having 2 good goalies. Perhaps they make a move in the summer. Maybe if they drop out of the playoff race...

I don't think that package moves the needle for Mayfield. He's a pretty good defenseman on a great contract, the type of player you probably have to overpay drastically, painfully for

 

[MessierII]

I'm not of the belief Barrie is a negative value asset but I don't think he carries much value. Perhaps a 3rd or a 4th...? You need to find a team who has the need for a PMD & the personnel to help mask his defensive shortcomings. Not impossible but a bit tricky. The Isles could use a PMD but I don't see Barrie as a good fit in their system... like at all....

The last time Barrie was traded it was for Kadri and he just led the league in points by a D man last year. Islanders desperately need players who create offence. That team is deprived of offensive talent.

Maybe if they drop out of the playoff race...

The islanders are well out of the playoff race at this point.

I think the islanders need a player like Barrie more than they need mayfeild. Barrie would be their most offensively talented defensemen by far. Their back end has no natural offensive guy or pp QB. Barrie fills a huge hole for the islanders and you greatly undervalue right offensive D. Those guys always have value.

 

[bernmeister]

I’m not so sure Edmonton should be trading *for* a goalie as much as they should be trading *away* a goalie. Stuart Skinner is ready and better than either Koskinen or Smith.

Agree, but cost of removal just as there is cost for acquisition.

Ya want Kosk gone? At full pop, no retain? And add Geo? and useful stopgap rental Strome to add p'o offense? And recover a bit of cap while you currently have ZERO?

expiring Strome at half + rfa Geo + NYR 2022 4th
for
rfa Pulj + expiring Kosk + Oil 2023 3rd

losing Pulj is a wince but you are coming out way ahead and it works for NY too

 

[A1LeafNation]

I’m not so sure Edmonton should be trading *for* a goalie as much as they should be trading *away* a goalie. Stuart Skinner is ready and better than either Koskinen or Smith.

Skinner should be the back up and the guy if there are injuries. All the rookies like Knight, Dostal, Tarasov are going to be behind a legit starter for a couple years first. Punt Koskinen for sure. Then...

_________
Skinner
Smith

 

[McJedi]

He also would have to agree to go to Edmonton. I'm sure he'd much rather go to Washington, or back to Pittsburgh, or to a few other teams that need goaltending going into the playoffs.

Understood. While the Avs are no longer your competition to add a goalie. The Capitals have replaced the Avs for same.

 

[ElPrimeTime]

Agree, but cost of removal just as there is cost for acquisition.

Ya want Kosk gone? At full pop, no retain? And add Geo? and useful stopgap rental Strome to add p'o offense? And recover a bit of cap while you currently have ZERO?

expiring Strome at half + rfa Geo + NYR 2022 4th
for
rfa Pulj + expiring Kosk + Oil 2023 3rd

losing Pulj is a wince but you are coming out way ahead and it works for NY too

No. Help me understand why Geo is a clear upgrade over Koskinen.

Season:
Koski: 16-8-2, 3.15 GAA, .900 SV%
Geo: 7-7-2, 2.99 GAA, .898 SV%

Since Jan 1st:
Koski: 4-2-2, 3.14 GAA, .895%
Geo: 2-4-0, 3.21 GAA, .891%

Why are we trading Koski, JP and the better pick for a goalie who is doing worse and expiring Ryan Strome?

 

[miscs75]

I think the islanders need a player like Barrie more than they need mayfeild. Barrie would be their most offensively talented defensemen by far. Their back end has no natural offensive guy or pp QB. Barrie fills a huge hole for the islanders and you greatly undervalue right offensive D. Those guys always have value.

The problem with obtaining Barrie is that Dobson can do what he does plus play in his own end for a fraction of what Tyson does. Trading for him is just honestly Edmontons way of saying “here’s our cap dump”. Now if you want Mayfield, a forward who can play in the top 6 (not named Yamamoto) should be the return, not an offensive defenseman who’s clueless defensively. Barrie screams Marc-Andre Bergeron 2.0 for the Islanders and they don’t need a power play specialist that costs $4.5m for an additional 2 years after this one. The blueline itself has a solid structure with Pelech, Pulock, Dobson, Mayfield and Salo. Swapping Mayfield for Barrie just hinders it defensively creating a bigger hole moving forward.

 

[MessierII]

The problem with obtaining Barrie is that Dobson can do what he does plus play in his own end for a fraction of what Tyson does. Trading for him is just honestly Edmontons way of saying “here’s our cap dump”. Now if you want Mayfield, a forward who can play in the top 6 (not named Yamamoto) should be the return, not an offensive defenseman who’s clueless defensively. Barrie screams Marc-Andre Bergeron 2.0 for the Islanders and they don’t need a power play specialist that costs $4.5m for an additional 2 years after this one. The blueline itself has a solid structure with Pelech, Pulock, Dobson, Mayfield and Salo. Swapping Mayfield for Barrie just hinders it defensively creating a bigger hole moving forward.

I’m not sold Dobson has even close to the offensive ability Barrie has. Will Dobson lead D men in scoring in his career? I don’t think so.

 

[miscs75]

I’m not sold Dobson has even close to the offensive ability Barrie has. Will Dobson lead D men in scoring in his career? I don’t think so.

Dobson however will become a better all around player while being able to QB a power play. Barrie is honestly just a PP specialist and not worth the trade for the Islanders.