Value of: Ben Chiarot can bring a 1st pick?

[TomKosto]

So what's his issue now? People keep blaming the team like you've never seen good players do just fine on bad teams.

And we never saw good player doing bad on bad teams?! Absolutly no structure for the Habs right now, foward don't help D, etc. He is no Hedman, can't do it all. Watch him being trade for a 1st, he is build for the playoff and GMs knows that.

 

[rumrokh]

And we never saw good player doing bad on bad teams?! Watch him being trade for a 1st, he is build for the playoff and GMs knows that.

It's not that we haven't seen that. It's that if you're claiming that, it helps to have some level of examination instead of just pointing to the playoffs.

I've watched many Canadiens games this season and Chiarot has looked unengaged from early on. What do you see? Do you see him coasting a lot and drifting out of position like I do? Or do you see a player whose effort and reads are there, but there are discernible, specific impacts on his effectiveness due to the team's system and/or quality?

 

[TomKosto]

I see a guy making mistake, like the rest of the team. Does the value of Mathews, Marner, etc goes down because they suck in the playoffs? It's a small sample size to claim Chiarot is a bad D, and thats why I think he's still going to return a first, like many insiders claim. We will see pretty soon.

 

[ManofSteel55]

He's not worth a 1st but this is a league where an expiring Savard and Foligno went for a 1st at last year's deadline.

Savard has been discussed to death. He was the only option and had 75% retention. Find a way to get 75% retention on Chairot, then find a way to get the other dozen or so UFA defensemen off the market.

 

[HuGort]

I just wish Chiarot was already traded. Heard so much about it and Habs risking injury.

 

[HuGort]

It's not that we haven't seen that. It's that if you're claiming that, it helps to have some level of examination instead of just pointing to the playoffs.

I've watched many Canadiens games this season and Chiarot has looked unengaged from early on. What do you see? Do you see him coasting a lot and drifting out of position like I do? Or do you see a player whose effort and reads are there, but there are discernible, specific impacts on his effectiveness due to the team's system and/or quality?

Habs may get a 2nd for sure along with a throw in. From Blues I predict. Flames don't really need Chiarot. Leafs and Habs rarely trade. Oilers usually to cheap to trade anything. I see more chance deal with St.Louis than Florida. Scandella type trade. Throw in being a decent prospect if Habs retain.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

I wouldn't give a second, maybe a very late second.

 

[VernonForrest]

I wouldn't give a second, maybe a very late second.

Guess you wouldn’t get him then…

 

[Frenzy31]

Guess you wouldn’t get him then…

I am pretty sure that doesn't break his heart.

Blues don't have a 2nd this year so I am not sure they are even it on it. They typically don't bring in UFAs at the deadline, unless they are planning to extend him. With our lack of cap space, I am not sure that is possible so I don't buy into the fact the Blues are in on him.

 

[Gaud]

It's not that we haven't seen that. It's that if you're claiming that, it helps to have some level of examination instead of just pointing to the playoffs.

I've watched many Canadiens games this season and Chiarot has looked unengaged from early on. What do you see? Do you see him coasting a lot and drifting out of position like I do? Or do you see a player whose effort and reads are there, but there are discernible, specific impacts on his effectiveness due to the team's system and/or quality?

My take on Chiarot is that he is in the wrong chair but that he is making a valiant effort to make it work anyways. I see him more as a 2nd pairing guy who tries to take on a 1st pairing role on a defensive that is big but that looks even slower without Price's puckhandling in launching the offense.

Specifically, i find that his penalties are usually results of having been beaten by the person he is trying to cover. The media in mtl seems to be saying that he is a leader in the lockerroom. His play isnt #1 D, but i think he does an honest job.

 

[Gaud]

Habs may get a 2nd for sure along with a throw in. From Blues I predict. Flames don't really need Chiarot. Leafs and Habs rarely trade. Oilers usually to cheap to trade anything. I see more chance deal with St.Louis than Florida. Scandella type trade. Throw in being a decent prospect if Habs retain.

I dont know what the guy is worth, but french TSN (rds) is reporting that there seems to be a consensus that Chiarot will get a 1st plus a throw-in (i think they had said a prospect). Granted, a 32nd 1st round isnt much different than an early 2nd

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

He can bring a late first with retention and an ELC dump because of the market competition for this type of player IMO

 

[HuGort]

I dont know what the guy is worth, but french TSN (rds) is reporting that there seems to be a consensus that Chiarot will get a 1st plus a throw-in (i think they had said a prospect). Granted, a 32nd 1st round isnt much different than an early 2nd

Eveybody says Chiarot worth a first. But every team I talked won't go for it

 

[TomKosto]

Eveybody says Chiarot worth a first. But every team I talked won't go for it

Okok you're plugged with every GM, i see!

 

[TomKosto]

Eveybody says Chiarot worth a first. But every team I talked won't go for it

Pretty sure a lot of hfboarders tought they would get Foligno for a 2nd or 3rd last year too!

 

[John Mandalorian]

Pretty sure a lot of hfboarders tought they would get Foligno for a 2nd or 3rd last year too!

And that worked out so well, I'm sure teams are motivated to do the same.

 

[TomKosto]

And that worked out so well, I'm sure teams are motivated to do the same.

Every year we see players get traded for more of what fans think at the deadline, it's nothing new bud!

 

[John Mandalorian]

Every year we see players get traded for more of what fans think at the deadline, it's nothing new bud!

Not always. And you have to also think about basic laws of economics. If it's a buyers market and there are only 6 buyers, guess who's getting 1sts? You can't squeeze 30 UFAs into 6 firsts.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Not always. And you have to also think about basic laws of economics. If it's a buyers market and there are only 6 buyers, guess who's getting 1sts? You can't squeeze 30 UFAs into 6 firsts.

A lot of the top buyers/contenders also already don't have firsts this year;
Colorado, Carolina, Florida, and Vegas.

Other than Florida, none of the others really would be interested in Chiarot though.

 

[John Mandalorian]

A lot of the top buyers/contenders also already don't have firsts this year;
Colorado, Carolina, Florida, and Vegas.

Other than Florida, none of the others really would be interested in Chiarot though.

Exactly my point.

 

[TomKosto]

A lot of the top buyers/contenders also already don't have firsts this year;
Colorado, Carolina, Florida, and Vegas.

Other than Florida, none of the others really would be interested in Chiarot though.

We can always get a 2023 first pick, and there's others teams like Pitts, Calgary (Suter kind of player),, Minnesota, Nashville who could use a upgrade on their D. We can't retain money too. Carolina, Vegas and Colorado don't make sense and that's why we don't see them in the rumors. We will see pretty soon who's right on this one.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Yes, a late 1st easily

 

[domiwroze]

If Gorton and Hughes play their card right they should at the bare minimum get a 1st from Chiarot without a doubt.
Big, Heavy, good skating, can help offensively from time to time. Good contract, loved by teammates, will never complain.
He is a good 2nd pair Dman, very underrated by way too many people because he's playing with the worst team this season.

MTL isn't bad because of Chiarot, they are bad because they missed half their roster by game 3 including 5 of their top 6 fowards and 3 of their top4 dman and never had more than 12 or so regular since then. Oh, and Carey freaking Price.

 

[General Fanager]

A lot of the top buyers/contenders also already don't have firsts this year;
Colorado, Carolina, Florida, and Vegas.

Other than Florida, none of the others really would be interested in Chiarot though.

We keep hearing St Louis and Toronto and Calgary. Even if they dont have a 1st this year 2023 will do or maybe a 1st rounder lvl prospect.

always options if they really want him.

 

[Gaud]

at this rate, im thinking MTL should trade him before he too gets injured. Jesus