Value of: Ben Chiarot can bring a 1st pick?

[1909]

Ideally, I would like the Habs to keep him. I'd rather see Petry go. But Petry's contract is toxic now with the lack of performance he offered so far this season. And he is already 34. Chiarot is around 30, still very reliable if he plays less than 20 minutes a game.

 

[ole ole]

And that worked out so well, I'm sure teams are motivated to do the same.

Big difference in thinking that Foligno was going to bring in enough toughness to a soft team compared to a few contender whose looking for a hard hitting stay a home ,crease clearing D-man with a heavy shot. to boot.

 

[Crazy Cizikas]

I voted ‘no’ based on value. But you never know what a desperate GM will do.

 

[Lemonlimey]

I voted ‘no’ based on value. But you never know what a desperate GM will do.

Paul Gaustad and Mathew Barnaby fetched 1sts at the deadline, for being "solid rough and tumble" playoff types. (outcomes: disaster). I think someone even gave up a first for like a 35 year old David Legwand?

 

[RationalExpectations]

I voted ‘no’ based on value. But you never know what a desperate GM will do.

I am not sure how to estimate the fundamental value of a player but in terms of price, based on supply and demand (estimated as previous comps), he should return a 1st at 50% (Greene at 5m yielded a 2nd, Savard at 50% yielded a 1st+ 3rd)

 

[thusk]

1-Already 4 team is out of 1st
Carolina florida colorado and vegas

2- the most agressive team for a d will be on klindberg, lindholm, risilainen and giordano

3- dont think we will see 7-8 1st pick trade away

So no i dont think in a trade deadline like this one, a guy like chiarot will be able to giving back a 1st round pick.

 

[Goldenhands]

This is what Oilers need and why first rounder I would not even blink at. Need retention hough, Turris + 1st + Konovalov for Chiarot @ 50%? He could push Keith down to the third pair minutes which he is better for.

Yep that makes sense. Hughes will surely try to get the best return, but what you proposed is a fair deal.

 

[dumpin]

The Habs are a team rich in tradition and accomplishments. They have a proud and loyal fanbase, but they are one of the most delusional groups in the NHL, probably only surpassed by the Leafs. Right now you need to begin the rebuild. You have the right guy on board to handle that in Jeff Gorton. If he is not restrained by upper management he will get you back on top sooner rather than later. Deal whatever assets you can, no one is untouchable.

The problem is you have to go through a period of suck. The Habs are like the Yankees in baseball, their fans cant accept a period of suck.

Last comment what were they thinking signing Suzuki to a 7.85 long term deal. He would be one of the first to go if I could unload him. Where does his production warrant this payday? Not saying he isnt a decent NHL player but 7.85 till 2030, Jaysus.

 

[ole ole]

The Habs are a team rich in tradition and accomplishments. They have a proud and loyal fanbase, but they are one of the most delusional groups in the NHL, probably only surpassed by the Leafs. Right now you need to begin the rebuild. You have the right guy on board to handle that in Jeff Gorton. If he is not restrained by upper management he will get you back on top sooner rather than later. Deal whatever assets you can, no one is untouchable.

The problem is you have to go through a period of suck. The Habs are like the Yankees in baseball, their fans cant accept a period of suck.

Last comment what were they thinking signing Suzuki to a 7.85 long term deal. He would be one of the first to go if I could unload him. Where does his production warrant this payday? Not saying he isnt a decent NHL player but 7.85 till 2030, Jaysus.

Suzuki was one of the better moves we've done lately.

 

[ole ole]

This is what Oilers need and why first rounder I would not even blink at. Need retention hough, Turris + 1st + Konovalov for Chiarot @ 50%? He could push Keith down to the third pair minutes which he is better for.

A smart poster with a fair proposal.

 

[DKH]

Buffalo (Florida & Vegas)
Arizona (Colorado & Carolina)
Columbus (chicago)

control 8 first rounders and 4 very good teams

I can’t see Toronto & Tampa doing another rental like Chariot for a first

This draft to me overall is excellent- strong in US & Europe

Chariot is ok not the biggest fan - had him in the sim league and was basically jag

Let’s see what happens but if the Canadiens get a 2 that makes sense - a first No way

 

[domiwroze]

The Habs are a team rich in tradition and accomplishments. They have a proud and loyal fanbase, but they are one of the most delusional groups in the NHL, probably only surpassed by the Leafs. Right now you need to begin the rebuild. You have the right guy on board to handle that in Jeff Gorton. If he is not restrained by upper management he will get you back on top sooner rather than later. Deal whatever assets you can, no one is untouchable.

The problem is you have to go through a period of suck. The Habs are like the Yankees in baseball, their fans cant accept a period of suck.

Last comment what were they thinking signing Suzuki to a 7.85 long term deal. He would be one of the first to go if I could unload him. Where does his production warrant this payday? Not saying he isnt a decent NHL player but 7.85 till 2030, Jaysus.

...Thanks for your contribution to the '' Is Chiarot worth a 1st rounder '' thread? Suzuki is the only player that deserves his salary right now besides Pezzetta and maybe the equipment managers.

But don't worry, we know we're passionate fans but we're not delusional, 1 madlad doesnt make the whole fan base delusional. I can confirm you that here, the club is really something special for the population so yea you'll get a lot of random take coming from everywhere instead of just the pure Hockey fans that ends up loving the Canadiens. It's something hard to understand or to explain until you live in Montreal for a couple of years.


Going back to Chiarot, he does make a lot of sense for the Flames. I'm pretty sure that Chiarot can land you a 1st rounder.

 

[domiwroze]

This is what Oilers need and why first rounder I would not even blink at. Need retention hough, Turris + 1st + Konovalov for Chiarot @ 50%? He could push Keith down to the third pair minutes which he is better for.

He'd be a great fit for the Oilers as a shutdown Dman that can be nasty. With that said, I'd have no interests what so ever in Konovalov. I wouldn't mind having to take Turris back to give the Oilers an extra contract space if that means adding a B to C prospect on top of the 1st rounder.

50% retention is almost a given now, we don't mind that.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

One possibility here is that if the market is soft, the Habs could add to make a trade happen. Not a rental, but San Jose chipped in a 3rd to convince Tampa to trade a 1st for Goodrow. Toronto bundled Santroelli with Franson, both impending UFAs, in the trade to Nashville for a 1st back in 2015.

Giving up a 1st in for a bundle of Chiarot and say Lehkonen, who offers another year of control, would be easier to stomach than a 1st outright, with the depth in the marketplace.

 

[ole ole]

One possibility here is that if the market is soft, the Habs could add to make a trade happen. Not a rental, but San Jose chipped in a 3rd to convince Tampa to trade a 1st for Goodrow. Toronto bundled Santroelli with Franson, both impending UFAs, in the trade to Nashville for a 1st back in 2015.

Giving up a 1st in for a bundle of Chiarot and say Lehkonen, who offers another year of control, would be easier to stomach than a 1st outright, with the depth in the marketplace.

Habs are not giving away Chiarot and Lehkonen for a late 1st.This is just a low ball offer and is more as bait.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Habs are not giving away Chiarot and Lehkonen for a late 1st.This is just a low ball offer and is more as bait.

I frankly don't care enough about the Habs and their fans to troll.

The rental D market is potentially as deep as we've seen in a while this year. There's a decent chance that some sellers are going to get squeezed.

Lehkonen has a role as a 3rd liner on a good team, but he offers little control and no cost certainty.

A 2nd rounder as the base piece is not unrealistic for either player. Teams using multiple 2nds to trade up for a late 1st at the draft is not unusual.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

With the Oilers adding Kane, making their forward group as deep as it’s been in a long time, it’s a significant step towards pushing their chips all in - now their two biggest needs become a left defenseman and an upgrade in net - two areas which Montreal can provide help.

To Edmonton: Ben Chiarot (50% retained), Jake Allen.

To Montreal: Mikko Koskinen, 2023 2nd round pick*(becomes a 1st if the Oilers win a cup this year) and Dylan Holloway.

Oilers get the help that they need at key positions for their cup run while freeing up more dollars to make other moves. Habs take on some salary in order to acquire a young blue chip center in Holloway for their rebuild.

Close in value for both sides?

 

[Mike Dukarm]

With the Oilers adding Kane, making their forward group as deep as it’s been in a long time, it’s a significant step towards pushing their chips all in - now their two biggest needs become a left defenseman and an upgrade in net - two areas which Montreal can provide help.

To Edmonton: Ben Chiarot (50% retained), Jake Allen.

To Montreal: Mikko Koskinen, 2023 2nd round pick*(becomes a 1st if the Oilers win a cup this year) and Dylan Holloway.

Oilers get the help that they need at key positions for their cup run while freeing up more dollars to make other moves. Habs take on some salary in order to acquire a young blue chip center in Holloway for their rebuild.

Close in value for both sides?

The biggest problem: Allen is out for 6-8 weeks

 

[HuGort]

With the Oilers adding Kane, making their forward group as deep as it’s been in a long time, it’s a significant step towards pushing their chips all in - now their two biggest needs become a left defenseman and an upgrade in net - two areas which Montreal can provide help.

To Edmonton: Ben Chiarot (50% retained), Jake Allen.

To Montreal: Mikko Koskinen, 2023 2nd round pick*(becomes a 1st if the Oilers win a cup this year) and Dylan Holloway.

Oilers get the help that they need at key positions for their cup run while freeing up more dollars to make other moves. Habs take on some salary in order to acquire a young blue chip center in Holloway for their rebuild.

Close in value for both sides?

I Wouldn't waste time with Edmonton. They not going to give nothing up and that's final.

I think Toronto or Florida most likely destination for Chiarot. St.Louis is a darkhorse.

 

[ole ole]

I Wouldn't waste time with Edmonton. They not going to give nothing up and that's final.

I think Toronto or Florida most likely destination for Chiarot. St.Louis is a darkhorse.

Exactly .Only cup contenders would have an interest in a Chiarot like player. Teams that are struggling to make the playoffs should have no interest in a player like Chiarot.

 

[Notabaguette]

The Habs are a team rich in tradition and accomplishments. They have a proud and loyal fanbase, but they are one of the most delusional groups in the NHL, probably only surpassed by the Leafs. Right now you need to begin the rebuild. You have the right guy on board to handle that in Jeff Gorton. If he is not restrained by upper management he will get you back on top sooner rather than later. Deal whatever assets you can, no one is untouchable.

The problem is you have to go through a period of suck. The Habs are like the Yankees in baseball, their fans cant accept a period of suck.

Last comment what were they thinking signing Suzuki to a 7.85 long term deal. He would be one of the first to go if I could unload him. Where does his production warrant this payday? Not saying he isnt a decent NHL player but 7.85 till 2030, Jaysus.

Lol I would say you are in the delusional group.

Suzuki is well worth it.

Chariot will get a 1st

 

[trellaine201]

Ben -4 tonight. Just saying.

 

[Spearmint Rhino]

1-Already 4 team is out of 1st
Carolina florida colorado and vegas

2- the most agressive team for a d will be on klindberg, lindholm, risilainen and giordano

3- dont think we will see 7-8 1st pick trade away

So no i dont think in a trade deadline like this one, a guy like chiarot will be able to giving back a 1st round pick.

We aren’t picky, a 2023 1st will be fine

 

[FerrisRox]

Paul Gaustad and Mathew Barnaby fetched 1sts at the deadline, for being "solid rough and tumble" playoff types. (outcomes: disaster). I think someone even gave up a first for like a 35 year old David Legwand?

Barnaby never fetched a 1st.

Legwand was dealt with Robin Lehner for a 1st rounder.

 

[FerrisRox]

Ben -4 tonight. Just saying.

You are tracking the plus minus of a player on the worst player in the league playing without their first or second string goalie?