ManofSteel55
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Analysts are wrong all the time on value speculation, but fair enough.
If the team trading for him agreed to an extension with him first I think he could be worth a first.
Value of: Ben Chiarot can bring a 1st pick?
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If the team trading for him agreed to an extension with him first I think he could be worth a first.
Lemonlimey
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Avs were Quincey for Downie in the three way, kept their 1st but below Detroit
If I was Montreal GM, I don't trade Chariot but I resign him.
It seem to be a good guy and Montreal need that kind of veteran in their rebuild.
It seem to be a good guy and Montreal need that kind of veteran in their rebuild.
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Thats the opposite. Chairot is a hard nosed physical defenseman that has very good mobility and very good defending skills. He gets the job done in his own zone, has a nice 1st pass and brings stability on the back end. When the games matters, he is someone you can rely on to win games.
He is definitely worth a 1st as a very solid 2nd pairing shutdown defenseman. Playoffs are a long run and Chairot is built for it.
Can Chiarot play the right side? If not, then I don't get Friedman connecting him to the Leafs one bit.
Suntouchable13
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Well, if you think about it, if a team that trades for him wins the cup or makes the finals it's basically a 2nd round pick (being 31st or 32nd) so not that big of a deal.
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You can hit big even at the bottom of the 1st or early 2nd. Mailloux, Peterka, Zellweger, Mavrik Bourque, Ylonen, Romanov ect.
MTL will likely trade Chairot to the team having the less chances to hit the finals. It all depends how many teams are in the race though.
HabsForHire
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Absolutely not, that's the complete opposite of what Montreal needs to do.
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Than i guess that team won't mind giving us a 1st since in your opinion it's not really a 1s but basically a 2nd.
While your at it do you know any team interested in our 2nd. I mean it's basically a 1st.
Suntouchable13
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Hey man, it's just different perspectives. That's all. I don't like the price tag, but then again 1st round picks are over valued by fans especially when they are very late 1st round picks. I am just trying to rationalize it from a SC contender point of view that a 1st round pick is not THAT expensive. A team that may not be as confident in their chances may not give up a 1st round pick for a Chiarot.
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I disagree. While Chiarot has been bad this year, he's been good every year prior and fantastic in both playoff runs. He's basically being asked to do far too much on a garbage Habs team. For perspective sake, he's currently 31st league wide in minute played. Montreal is essentially deploying him as a top pairing defensemen which is FAR above his skill set. Is it really shocking he's floundering in that role?
Give him a reduced role on your second pairing as a pure shutdown defenseman and he'll be fine.
Pretty sure he is referencing that the Avs could have traded Quincey directly to Detroit for the pick that became Vasilevskiy (which likely wasn't the goal or an option at the time)
ManofSteel55
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Not on an expiring deal.Hey that's the guy who said Chiarot will never bring back a first....
He's not worth a 1st but this is a league where an expiring Savard and Foligno went for a 1st at last year's deadline.
Montreal need to keep one or two veteran def to have a mix with the future young core. Petry seem he want to be out of Montreal, Weber is retired, It rest Edmundson and he don't play a game this year. Savard and Chariot for me Chariot bring more to the team than Savard. That's why they need to keep him .
HabsForHire
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Chiarot is good as gone, sorry to bring it up to you. Savard will probably stay with that contract.
Chiarot will fetch a first round pick but Klingberg won't, you guys will see. It'll be like Foligno and Hall last year. GM's see Chiarot as a defensively responsible, playoff warrior, who's "tough to play against".
I think if Savard is the only veteran def back for the next season Gm will bring up one by free agent. They need 2 veteran
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You aren't necessarily wrong, but when I watch him, I don't see a guy trying his best and getting crushed, I see a player who makes weird decisions while unpressured, gets caught out of position, and coasts a lot.
Plus, isn't the point of a shutdown defenseman that he can face top opponents and keep them off the scoreboard?
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So what's his issue now? People keep blaming the team like you've never seen good players do just fine on bad teams.
