Babcock fired by the Leafs discussion

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Yelling and mental abuse are two completely different thing. For heavens sake... it’s amazing I had to even write that sentence.

By talking about mental abuse as if it was just "yelling", you're trivializing the issue and I find it rather depressing that there are people like you who are still doing so.

:help:

Eventually yelling will be outlawed as abuse. Then getting scratched, then not getting a contract renewed, getting traded, etc.
 
Yelling and mental abuse are two completely different thing. For heavens sake... it’s amazing I had to even write that sentence.

By talking about mental abuse as if it was just "yelling", you're trivializing the issue and I find it rather depressing that there are people like you who are still doing so.

:help:



Thank you for saying it better than I could.
 
Yelling and mental abuse are two completely different thing. For heavens sake... it’s amazing I had to even write that sentence.

By talking about mental abuse as if it was just "yelling", you're trivializing the issue and I find it rather depressing that there are people like you who are still doing so.

:help:

I don’t know precisely where the line between a coach yelling at somebody and “mentally abusing them” is. And I don’t even know what specifically was even said.

It’s a good thing you’re there as the moral authority though.
 
Maybe he would but he doesn't have a time machine and this stuff was seen as acceptable when Babcock was doing it

I'd also point out that if you have any underlying mental health issues professional sports isn't a great industry to be employed in

Your under enormous pressure on an almost constant basis

You're right about changing standards. You can't hold people's actions in the past to today's standards.

I'm not defending everything Babcock has done, but a couple of issues with the criticism here:

i) He was born in Manitouwadge Ontario, not Regina. He's spent most of his life in Saskatchewan (mostly Saskatoon), but he's also spent many years in.... Detroit, Anaheim, Toronto, Cincinnati, Spokane, Montreal, England.... He's more well-travelled than most people, so quit trying to portray him as some sort of rube from the prairies

ii) He's a huge and important advocate for mental health. Donating a lot of your time and money is not hypocritical, it's something quite different - it's generous. There's a difference between mental health and mental toughness https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/1104171587870

iii) "His teams rarely get past the 1st round". Really? First thing, to do that you have to make the playoffs, so you're already doing okay. Second thing, he's reached the SCF 3 times, Conference Finals (once), semis (3 times), and quarters (twice). Third thing, his worst record is the recent stretch here in Toronto, and we were rebuilding for half of that.

TL/DR? He's one of the great coaches in NHL history.

Has his style gone out of date? Maybe, but that doesn't mean he's been a bad coach.
 
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I find it weird how people didn't think nhl coaches were like this... As a kid playing hockey coaches would swear, throw things across the room, verbally insult players...Thats what playing competative hockey was like... The higher up you go the harsher the coaches are on you. Everyone knows that that played hockey...I played a few years and then didn't like the harshness and bad temper of these coaches so i played in less competitive leagues and had more fun, these guys have a choice if they don't want to get yelled at don't make the nhl. If they want to make millions and handle the harshness and borderline cruelty of competative hockey then go for it. no once forced to play in the nhl
 
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I wonder what lurks and goes bump in the night in Mike Keenan’s past and presents world .......
Could be very very scary ......


Can't wait! Next we will be dragging them into the streets and tar and feathering them.

Turning into nothing more than a witch hunt fueled by the media hell-bent on click bait sensationalism.

People make mistakes, and people should be allowed to be forgiven.
 
I don’t know precisely where the line between a coach yelling at somebody and “mentally abusing them” is. And I don’t even know what specifically was even said.

It’s a good thing you’re there as the moral authority though.

If you've gotten to the point where you at least understand that they're not the same thing, that's a start. Glad I could help.
 
Yeah, after they're called out on it, understand what they did wrong, apologize and make amends.

It's called accepting responsibility for your actions. Foreign concept to many apparently.


The world is one big glass house.

So many people preaching on here.

You are all so perfect.
 
Yelling and mental abuse are two completely different thing. For heavens sake... it’s amazing I had to even write that sentence.

By talking about mental abuse as if it was just "yelling", you're trivializing the issue and I find it rather depressing that there are people like you who are still doing so.

:help:

Yeah. It's the difference between saying...

1. "You've had a brutal game, f***ing get it together!"
2. "You're not even trying. You want the team to lose don't you? I'm going to tell so and so that you have given up on your career.

Then repeating 2. ad-naseum.

For example.
 
If you've gotten to the point where you at least understand that they're not the same thing, that's a start. Glad I could help.
So tell me specifically what Babcock said to Franzen that crossed the line from merely “shouting at him” to “mentally abusing him”.
 
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Yeah. It's the difference between saying...

1. "You've had a brutal game, ****ing get it together!"
2. "You're not even trying. You want the team to lose don't you? I'm going to tell so and so that you have given up on your career.

Then repeating 2. ad-naseum.

For example.

See, the problem is, the people who don't understand this, are stupid, and can't understand it.
 
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Keenan, Torts are very tough on their players. But they absolutely love them both

You knew exactly where you stood with them. There was no backhand slap, passive aggressive BS, no indirect comment

Keenan/ Torts would have told their players of straight in their face. No go through a medium like Babs did with Ovie's comment

Keenan had a lot of BS tactics himself, they wouldn't work in today's game. Hence why he's no longer coaching

Torts, his team absolutely loves him. You think Ovie says stuff like that against the Leafs and gets away if Torts was a the Coach?

I can’t begin to explain how pissed I was and still am regarding how Babcock handled that Ovie comment .
It makes me sick to my stomach for every player in that room to hear their own coach agree with it publicly ..
I’m pissed again , thanks
I can’t imagine being in that room listening to my coach agree with it or Being a coach and not telling Ovie to Flock off
Omfg I’m still pissed about him ...
Imagine Quinn or Burns in that situation
 
Yeah I get it, to you this is a non-issue. As I said in my post above, I find people like you slightly depressing. I am starting to get used to it though so there is that I suppose.


WTF are you talking about, I've said nothing negative in any way about the issues of mental abuse/illness, I've expressed no opinion on the Babcock/Franzen matter at all and you respond like this?
Today is a very litigious world compared to the past whether you want to believe it or not. :sueme:
 
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So tell me specifically what Babcock said to Franzen that crossed the line from merely “shouting at him” to “mentally abusing him”.

I never said anything about that specific situation, all I wanted to do was to help you on the road to understanding that there is a difference between yelling and mental abuse. I'll quit while I'm ahead, enjoy the game tonight!
 
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WTF are you talking about, I've said nothing negative in any way about the issues of mental abuse/illness, I've expressed no opinion on the Babcock/Franzen matter at all and you respond like this?
Today is a very litigious world compared to the past whether you want to believe it or not. :sueme:

Shore thing bud. ;)
 
WTF are you talking about, I've said nothing negative in any way about the issues of mental abuse/illness, I've expressed no opinion on the Babcock/Franzen matter at all and you respond like this?
Today is a very litigious world compared to the past whether you want to believe it or not. :sueme:
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