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Auston Matthews 69 goals in 81 games, most goals scored since Lemieux in 1995-96
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The ONLY active player to have multiple 60 goal seasons. Not even Ovechkin has done it.
3 Rockets in 4 seasons.
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About the equivalent of inventing people’s discussions and attempting to hold them responsible for your statements, I suppose?
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If not 70. 68 or 66 would be a cool number. 67 or 69 would look worse imo lol
The talent Toronto has on the PP negates this. They should be scoring at will with the likes of Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander, Bertuzzi, Reilly... few teams on paper match this over the years.
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I don't think you understood the point.
Toronto was first in the league on the PP in 2022
Toronto was second in the league on the PP in 2023 (behind a historic Oilers PP)
Toronto was second in the league on the PP this year before Marner got injured
Toronto is 28th in the league in PP opportunites per game played since 2016-2017 (when Matthews was drafted)
They don't get many PP opportunities. His point was if Toronto get's more PP's (and wasn't bottom 4 in PP opportunities) they'd score more goals... you counter with they should score more goals on PP's they don't get with all their talent.
Quite the interesting take.
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Soft perimeter teams draw fewer PPs, surprise.
"you counter with they should score more goals on PP's they don't get with all their talent."
Is the interesting interpretation. I was unaware Toronto ends each season with 0 PPs. Matthews is in an ideal situation to maximize PP production with that talent. He is not alone on an island as he would be on many other teams.
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What does that have to do with if Matthews was on a team with more PP opportunities he would score more PP goals?
Also - your point about soft teams get less PP's is also incorrect - the soft perimeter Golden Knights are one spot above Toronto at 27.
You are choosing to look at this as though a one way street. Matthews benefits from the talent of his roster as well.... creating alternate realities hardly adds value.
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Matthews led the league in even-strength goals in his rookie season playing with rookies Nylander & Hyman. Quite the leap to try and discredit his scoring.
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Teams with possession tend to get the most calls in their favour. Good teams will tend to have more PPs than bad teams chasing.
The Leafs haven’t missed the playoffs* since AM broke into the league and they are 26/30 in PP opportunities in that stretch. I’m not counting Vegas or Seattle because they didn’t exist for multiple years in this timeline and are 31 and 32 on this list because of it.
The teams behind Toronto are SJS, NYI, ANA and CBJ.
Surprisingly enough, Edmonton also ranks quite low in the same timeframe at 22.
Crazy that teams were smart enough to figure that out with Toronto but not smart enough to figure it out with Edmonton.
Teams don't get called for shit, watch a few games it's not difficult to spot it. Regardless, even with bottom 5 powerplay opportunities he's the leading scorer.
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Oh man, I didn’t realize every team can be so disciplined against the Leafs for 8 years straight
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I still remember the exact moment things changed, it was November in the first year of the Tavares contract. Our PP was near 40% and we were destroying teams, the media made a big deal about how deadly the Leafs PP was and how many penalties Kadri was drawing. They did a small segment on TSN.
Literally the very next day the whistles went away and it's been that way ever since.
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But nothing. The Oilers don’t have a goal scorer on Matthews level. Don’t talk to me about secondary assists in the garbage pacific division either.
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Edmonton has 6 more PP chances than Toronto this season. Not exactly night and day differences we're talking about.
Both teams don't get called nearly as much as they likely should.
What secondary assists? What are you talking about?
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How about puck possession teams like Toronto Carolina and Colorado? They draw many penalties?
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I don’t feel like that is a likely explanation. Why would the refs, who there are many of, conspire to rig games against the leafs?
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Lol. Take that ‘this season’ back to 16-17 and how many more opportunities do the oilers have?
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Not as much as you think, only ~50-60 more which works out to about 6-7 more a season
