Auston Matthew 50 in 50 watch (37 in 42 so far)

[lipstickjunkie]

Yea Leafs due to get them for sure but I feel like Bruins match up well with them.

Everyone matches up well with the Leafs in the playoffs

 

[cyris]

Lol. Matthews has 28 goals in his team's first 31 games. He's played 30. Whoever is trying to Downplay it as not official because he missed one game is f***ing wild

Pointing out facts is not necessarily downplaying his accomplishment.

50 goals in 50 games is a feat tracked and recorded by the league. To accomplish this feat it must be done in the teams first 50 games. That is the way the league tracks and records it.

No one is saying it wouldn’t be a hell of an accomplishment to do it in his first 50 games but not the clubs or to do it over 50 consecutive games during the season like he has already done.
People have talked about Cam Neely and his 50 in 44 and Mario doing it in 95/96. Those were great accomplishments we are still here talking about nearly 30 years later. But neither of those were in the teams first 50 games so they aren’t considered official 50 in 50s either.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

Pointing out facts is not necessarily downplaying his accomplishment.

50 goals in 50 games is a feat tracked and recorded by the league. To accomplish this feat it must be done in the teams first 50 games. That is the way the league tracks and records it.

No one is saying it wouldn’t be a hell of an accomplishment to do it in his first 50 games but not the clubs or to do it over 50 consecutive games during the season like he has already done.
People have talked about Cam Neely and his 50 in 44 and Mario doing it in 95/96. Those were great accomplishments we are still here talking about nearly 30 years later. But neither of those were in the teams first 50 games so they aren’t considered official 50 in 50s either.

I mean if he scores 50 in his teams first 51. That will be some serious nitpicking

 

[Golden_Jet]

I mean if he scores 50 in his teams first 51. That will be some serious nitpicking

That would be a great feat still, but short of the mark. Last time wasn’t 50 consecutive games either, as he got suspended for 2 in the middle.

 

[The90]

it is obviously not the same, we can all agree to say it is a small difference but one difference none the less.

22 players did it at least.

if we restrict it to 50 consecutive game in a season (not sure if you care if the game are all in the same season or not) at least those did it:

(biggest among of goals in 50 consecutive regular season games played)

Wayne Gretzky	66
Brett Hull	59
Mario Lemieux	59
Alexander Mogilny	59
Phil Esposito	53
Mike Bossy	51
Jari Kurri	51
Bernie Nicholls	51
Maurice Richard	50
Charlie Simmer	50

I am not sure why anyone would ever care about any of this, it cannot have the first importance about anything, it is really not special if you don't I just explained why some do.

Yeah that’s true man. If only 22 people have done it in the entire history of the nhl, and none in the modern era, not a big deal, unworthy accomplishment.

 

[cyris]

I mean if he scores 50 in his teams first 51. That will be some serious nitpicking

It’s the way the feat is recorded? I’m not sure what you want here.
He would be far from the first player to be in the position of scoring 50 goals in their first 50 but not the teams. And much like the others, the feat would earn praise and respect but would not be recorded as an official 50 in 50.

 

[MadLuke]

Yeah that’s true man. If only 22 people have done it in the entire history of the nhl, and none in the modern era, not a big deal, unworthy accomplishment.

I feel old to hear people talk about the 90s as if it was an ancient era.....

What kind of reasoning is this, if one think is trivially rarer than an other and an historical trivia, why does that mean that the other is not a big deal and an unworthy accomplishment.

The level of discourse seem so low.

I mean if he scores 50 in his teams first 51. That will be some serious nitpicking

Yes 50 in 50 being all about nitpicking, it is not like 49 in 50 would be a significant different performance, there always been a difference made by 50 consecutive regular season game, 50 consecutive regular season game in the same season, the first 50 games versus the best stretch and team game vs player game.

Not that dissimilar to someone scoring only 92 goals vs 93 goals in a season, meaningless difference, one would be a new record not the other.

 

[WingsFan95]

He did 51 in 50 two seasons ago, although it was unofficial because it was a mid-season streak. Is he capable of doing it this season? 100%. Will he? That’s a different question. Will be fun to watch.

Did not know this. Kinda wild.

He’s saying that if Matthews were to do it, official recognition is 50 team games or less. Unofficial recognition is a players’ first 50 games played. What I like to call “Unofficial Unofficial” is the 51 in 50 that he has already done in the past.

Remarkable either way. Hope to see him do it officially or in his own first 50, because it’s much harder to do than picking any random sample size one wants to.

Also hope to see him become just the 9th player to pot 70.

Cam Neeley I believe was credited despite it not being his team's first 50 games. I think it's fair for a player as opposed to the unofficial streak as some point in the season although I think it's also rare for obvious reasons.

Overall I just hope he's within striking distance at games 46-50 as depending on circumstances the team will almost certainly try to open up opportunities. Glory hunting has its detractors but I think it's reasonable within these type of margins. And like a 70 goal scorer we've been starved for so long.

He is probably better than Bossy all things considered. Era, icetime, plays a two-way game, etc.

Well let's pull the breaks on that one for now.

 

[Video Nasty]

No one thought Matthews potting 51 in 50 games was unimpressive or not worthy of continuing to be talked about.

The pushback comes when obsessive supporters pretend he accomplished the feat under the requirements outlined. If he didn’t do it during the first 50 games on his teams’ schedule (make an attempt to learn why it is even a thing to begin with, instead of crying about nitpicking) or even his own first 50 games, it’s not part of the official or even unofficial club.

He performed a hell of a feat. He may even accomplish it for real in the coming months.

But sure, keep shadow boxing phantoms saying that it is all being downplayed.

 

[TS Quint]

Why? Is that what they would do in Buffalo when they have a prolific goal scorer?

You are really unaware of any other team than the Leafs.

 

[The90]

I feel old to hear people talk about the 90s as if it was an ancient era.....

What kind of reasoning is this, if one think is trivially rarer than an other and an historical trivia, why does that mean that the other is not a big deal and an unworthy accomplishment.

The level of discourse seem so low.


Yes 50 in 50 being all about nitpicking, it is not like 49 in 50 would be a significant different performance, there always been a difference made by 50 consecutive regular season game, 50 consecutive regular season game in the same season, the first 50 games versus the best stretch and team game vs player game.

Not that dissimilar to someone scoring only 92 goals vs 93 goals in a season, meaningless difference, one would be a new record not the other.

No that makes sense. It’s not trivially harder, that’s why it hasn’t been done since ‘96. Good logic man.

 

[Video Nasty]

Cam Neeley I believe was credited despite it not being his team's first 50 games. I think it's fair for a player as opposed to the unofficial streak as some point in the season although I think it's also rare for obvious reasons.

Neely is filed under the “unofficial” category of this feat, as is any player who hits it in 50 games or less, but has the benefit of a longer schedule to get the attempt to do so.

Richard only had 50 games available to him. He didn’t get the opportunity to begin building a streak 18 games into a season, while also sitting out two extra team games in the midst of the streak. That’s why it’s a thing.

As you mentioned, I think because we’ve been starved for big numbers like this for so long, some are all too willing to try and shoehorn this into the actual club, which is only meant to be a fun honorific to begin with.

As always, I hope to see him perform the real deal in the coming months. It’s much more difficult to do it in the constrained time frame, than the choose your own adventure style his most fervent acolytes insist on.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

I mean the criteria is clearly written. I’m not sure what people are arguing about. It’s 50 goals in the team’s first 50 games.
It doesn’t mean other scoring feats aren’t impressive too.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

The record is what the record is. I personally don’t see how scoring 50 in any combination of 50 games is somehow easier or harder based off the specific time of the season it is done. I get that it is based off the old time 50 game regular season but just like objectively speaking taking the record out of it….what makes scoring 50 in games 1-50 more impressive then doing it in 30-80? It’s the same thing lol

 

[Golden_Jet]

The record is what the record is. I personally don’t see how scoring 50 in any combination of 50 games is somehow easier or harder based off the specific time of the season it is done. I get that it is based off the old time 50 game regular season but just like objectively speaking taking the record out of it….what makes scoring 50 in games 1-50 more impressive then doing it in 30-80? It’s the same thing lol

Easy answer
50 in teams first 50 games, you get one crack at it a year.
50 in any 50 consecutive team games, you get 32 cracks at it each year.

So you get a lot more more cracks at it in one year, then you would over a career at first 50.

Just like when Matthew’s did it, it wasn’t even 50 consecutive team games, it was 51 or 52, as he missed 2 games during the streak.

Still a great accomplishment, just not the official 50 in first 50.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Easy answer
50 in teams first 50 games, you get one crack at it a year.
50 in any 50 consecutive team games, you get 32 cracks at it each year.

So you get a lot more more cracks at it in one year, then you would over a career at first 50.

Just like when Matthew’s did it, it wasn’t even 50 consecutive team games, it was 51 or 52, as he missed 2 games during the streak.

Still a great accomplishment, just not the official 50 in first 50.

Agreed. It’s like a player getting 49 goals in his teams first 50 games and then scoring a hat trick the next game. 52 goals in 51 games is an impressive feat too. Just doesn’t make the criteria.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Easy answer
50 in teams first 50 games, you get one crack at it a year.
50 in any 50 consecutive team games, you get 32 cracks at it each year.

So you get a lot more more cracks at it in one year, then you would over a career at first 50.

Just like when Matthew’s did it, it wasn’t even 50 consecutive team games, it was 51 or 52, as he missed 2 games during the streak.

Still a great accomplishment, just not the official 50 in first 50.

But it is objectively doing the exact same thing lol like to me it feels like holding onto it because of what the schedule used to be. Fully understand what the record is and not disputing it. I just don’t think 50 goals in 50 games is less impressive later in a season personally.

 

[Golden_Jet]

But it is objectively doing the exact same thing lol like to me it feels like holding onto it because of what the schedule used to be. Fully understand what the record is and not disputing it. I just don’t think 50 goals in 50 games is less impressive later in a season personally.

I mentioned why it’s less impressive, you get 32 more cracks at it each year instead of 1.

 

[Face Of Bear]

Best player in history to not be considered 'top-5' by HF posters.

 

[TS Quint]

Best player in history to not be considered 'top-5' by HF posters.

11th in Art Ross and for all they hype about his defensive game he takes more shots than he gives when the game is close. There’s a lot of competition for those top 5 spots.

 

[kevsh]

I don't dispute the 50 goals in the team's first 50 games concept, it is what it is. Either he does it or does not.

It is statistically easier though to score 50 in a team's first 50 games than the last (or somewhere in the middle), simply because GPG declines as the season goes on. So "50 in the last 50" is less catchy and therefore isn't celebrated or even recognized but deserves as much or, I'd argue, more credit for the accomplishment.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

I mentioned why it’s less impressive, you get 32 more cracks at it each year instead of 1.

Personally I find it more impressive if it starts on a Tuesday.

 

[333359]

But it is objectively doing the exact same thing lol like to me it feels like holding onto it because of what the schedule used to be. Fully understand what the record is and not disputing it. I just don’t think 50 goals in 50 games is less impressive later in a season personally.

Except it's not even close to objectively the same thing.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Except it's not even close to objectively the same thing.

It is though.

 

[333359]

It is though.

One is going back in time to find a section of 50 in 50 and the other is saying I'm going to hit a homerun on the next pitch. Not even close.